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[nynt9]

Are you saying that's not the world we live in, because I could pull obvious headlines and news links for you?

And I could show you statistics that show that owning a gun is way more likely to be harmful to you than ever helping you protect yourself.

 

[wesleyshark]

Fuck the guy with the AK47. He got exactly what he deserved.

I disagree with that, surely jailtime is a more fitting punishement for robbery.

Eh. I think things ended fittingly.

 

[Piggus]

America is the wild west after all, so I don't doubt people will see no fault in the shooter's actions. He'll probably be considered a hero, actually. Whereas normal people would wonder why you'd call out to an armed robber and risk the lives of everyone inside.

The fetishistic gun culture in the US is just pathetic.

So is your hyperbole.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I disagree with that, surely jailtime is a more fitting punishement for robbery.

Robbery? Yes.

Armed Robbery? No.

 

[Khaz]

Robbery? Yes.

Armed Robbery? No.

What about we let judges decide of that, instead of vigilantes?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Here's the thing: What did shooting the robber accomplish? What imminent threat was there? The man had already committed his crime and left. He was no longer actively threatening the safety of the people there.

Do you mean to tell me that the sequemce of events was:
1. This guy followed the robber outside with his gun holstered
2. The robber turned around
3. The robber pointed his weapon at the man
4. The man unholstered his own weapon without getting shot at.
5. The man pointed his weapon at the robber without getting shot at
6. The man shot the robber without getting shot at.


Like hell I'm going to buy that. And even if it were true, you have to be a fucking moron without any regard for your own or others' safety to just engage the robber who you know is armed while willingly leaving your weapon holstered.

Whatever the man did, it goes against the recommendations of every local law enforcement agency, state government, and the department of justice. And it resulted in an unnecessary shooting which had a man unnecessarily at death's door in the hosptital

 

[the-pi-guy]

Here's the thing: What did shooting the robber accomplish? What imminent threat was there? The man had already committed his crime and left. He was no longer actively threatening the safety of the people there.

Do you mean to tell me that the sequemce of events was:
1. This guy followed the robber outside with his gun holstered
2. The robber turned around
3. The robber pointed his weapon at the man
4. The man unholstered his own weapon without getting shot at.
5. The man pointed his weapon at the robber without getting shot at
6. The man shot the robber without getting shot at.


Like hell I'm going to buy that. And even if it were true, you have to be a fucking moron without any regard for your own or others' safety to just engage the robber who you know is armed while willingly leaving your weapon holstered.

Whatever the man did, it goes against the recommendations of every local law enforcement agency, state government, and the department of justice. And it resulted in an unnecessary shooting which had a man unnecessarily at death's door in the hosptital

I'm not exactly sure where you are getting that from.
I've just read 4 different articles and they all word it the same way, that he opened fire.
So most likely he already had the gun out when he called out to the robber. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever that he would go outside and call out to the robber without the gun out.

 

[BokehKing]

And I could show you statistics that show that owning a gun is way more likely to be harmful to you than ever helping you protect yourself.

Had one for over a decade and nothing happened to me yet,
I treat the weapon with respect.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

Had one for over a decade and nothing happened to me yet,
I treat the weapon with respect.

Thats great. Do you know how statistics actually work?

 

[MUnited83]

So is your hyperbole.

Yes.



But just because the Wild West wasn't bad as this.

 

[Link]

I hope none of you people saying that it was perfectly acceptable for the robber to be shot in this situation never have the gall to complain about the state of our criminal justice system, police forces, or general harshness of punishments ever again. Disgusting views.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Jules talked the couple down

 

[Piggus]

Yes.



But just because the Wild West wasn't bad as this.

Yeah, because reading news stories on the internet = OMG IT'S TEH WILD WEST!!1

How about you do some actual research.

To appreciate how violent the West was, we need to consider not only the annual homicide rate, but the risk of being murdered over time. For instance, the adult residents of Dodge City faced a homicide rate of at least 165 per 100,000 adults per year, meaning that 0.165 percent of the population was murdered each year—between a fifth and a tenth of a percent. That may sound small, but it is large to a criminologist or epidemiologist, because it means that an adult who lived in Dodge City from 1876 to 1885 faced at least a 1 in 61 chance of being murdered—1.65 percent of the population was murdered in those 10 years.

https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/homicide-rates-american-west

By comparison, the national homocide rate today is about 3.9 per 100,000. Parts of the Wild West were twice as dangerous as Honduras, the most dangerous country in the world today. But please, tell us more about how it's worse today than it was back then.

 

[Omegasquash]

Jules talked the couple down

Post of the thread.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'm not exactly sure where you are getting that from.
I've just read 4 different articles and they all word it the same way, that he opened fire.
So most likely he already had the gun out when he called out to the robber. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever that he would go outside and call out to the robber without the gun out.

So you are saying that after the robeer had left and was no longer in the act, and this person approached them with their gun drawn. Doesn't case law hold that the garner rule for fleeing felons only applies for acts of grievous bodily harm/injury, like aggravated kidnapping, assault, or murder?

 

[Piggus]

So you are saying that after the robeer had left and was no longer in the act, and this person approached them with their gun drawn. Doesn't case law hold that the garner rule for fleeing felons only applies for acts of grievous bodily harm/injury, like aggravated kidnapping, assault, or murder?

I don't think the law is enforced that way in a lot of places unfortunately. According to the story, he didn't shoot the guy in the back, but rather he tried to stop him and the guy reacted as you would expect. I doubt the guy with the AK even knew the person calling him out had a gun until it was too late.

For the people in support of the shooter, I think you should really do some research on concealed carry and when it's appropriate to actually shoot another person.

Hint: it's NEVER okay unless your life or the lives of others are in immediate danger. This was not one of those cases after the robber was leaving. And while the CCW holder did fire in self-defense, he escalated the situation by following the dude out. That's a big no-no.

 

[BokehKing]

I hope none of you people saying that it was perfectly acceptable for the robber to be shot in this situation never have the gall to complain about the state of our criminal justice system, police forces, or general harshness of punishments ever again. Disgusting views.

People that don't go out and mug people, Rob places etc etc will never feel sympathy for the fate of the criminals because this could have all easily been avoided.

Don't go out and commit crimes.

You need money? Sell your AK, I'm sure he would have got more for that gun than he got from that waffle house. (Well unless you need that AK to rob more people and places)

 

[Drensch]

The way I see it, as a liberal and a gun owner, gun we need better gun laws.
In this situation, the male show shot the suspect is justified, but he's stretching it about as far as it can go. The suspect just committed a violent crime, that traumatizes victims, armed robbery is right there with murder and rape.

Could the shooter have stayed inside and did nothing? Sure. But there is some allowance to be made for having a fear for the wife, especially after what happened. Could he have been a stereotype just waiting to use that CCW and play hero? Yes.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone who decides to terrorize a bunch of people at a waffle house.

Now as far as meta discussion assault rifles and the like, people need to moderate their views. They also should at least make an effort to see the other side and educate themselves. Discussions do get bogged down in terminology because a lot of ignorance floats around in gun threads.
It would do many anti gunners a service to actually read up a bit on guns or find a friend who can take them to a day at the range. AK are not fire breathing kill demons and they're not toys either.

The NRA and the like would be a lot weaker if people would stop using hyperbole and spooking the one issue voters that give them power.

 

[Piggus]

The way I see it, as a liberal and a gun owner, gun we need better gun laws.
In this situation, the male show shot the suspect is justified, but he's stretching it about as far as it can go. The suspect just committed a violent crime, that traumatizes victims, armed robbery is right there with murder and rape.

Could the shooter have stayed inside and did nothing? Sure. But there is some allowance to be made for having a fear for the wife, especially after what happened. Could he have been a stereotype just waiting to use that CCW and play hero? Yes.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone who decides to terrorize a bunch of people at a waffle house.

Now as far as meta discussion assault rifles and the like, people need to moderate their views. They also should at least make an effort to see the other side and educate themselves. Discussions do get bogged down in terminology because a lot of ignorance floats around in gun threads.
It would do many anti gunners a service to actually read up a bit on guns or find a friend who can take them to a day at the range. AK are not fire breathing kill demons and they're not toys either.

The NRA and the like would be a lot weaker if people would stop using hyperbole and spooking the one issue voters that give them power.

Ironically, the people who call for bans or incremental legislation leading to a ban are doing us gun owners a great service. They're contributing to higher gun sales and in turn giving gun manufacturers more lobbying power to ensure any sort of ban doesn't happen. While I find that a bit hilarious (and I thank them for insuring my hobby is not at risk), the problem is reasonable bipartisan legislation that has little or nothing to do with limiting second amendment rights also gets shut down.

 

[MUnited83]

Yeah, because reading news stories on the internet = OMG IT'S TEH WILD WEST!!1

How about you do some actual research.



https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/homicide-rates-american-west

By comparison, the national homocide rate today is about 3.9 per 100,000. Parts of the Wild West were twice as dangerous as Honduras, the most dangerous country in the world today. But please, tell us more about how it's worse today than it was back then.

In the Wild West, people actually started acknowledging the danger of guns and campaigning for gun control laws. Some of the most known frontier cities wouldn't even let you in if you didn't leave the gun at the sheriff station.