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Zeliard said:
It was glaringly obvious months ago that this movie would be enormous. Don't know what people were thinking. People frequently allow cynicism to get in the way of reason.
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This is why I compared it to the DS and Wii situation. It was laughably obvious it would make money and had a strong chance of being HUGE.
 
Why the FUCK did I watch that 1080p trailer...now all I want to do is go watch the damn movie again :lol

Movie looks stunning in high-def...even not in 3D. I need to see this in 3D as much as I can before it's gone. Though I think the blu-ray will be just as epic.
 
Out of curiosity, do you think you need to appreciate Japan to enjoy Lost in Translation? Like either have been there or otherwise understand the idiosyncrasies to being a foreigner there? It doesn't mean you have to have been there, or be a diehard Japanophile, just have an appreciation for the interactions.

I liked Lost in Translation, but I would probably care less if I hadn't ever been there.
 
mrkgoo said:
Out of curiosity, do you think you need to appreciate Japan to enjoy Lost in Translation? Like either have been there or otherwise understand the idiosyncrasies to being a foreigner there? It doesn't mean you have to have been there, or be a diehard Japanophile, just have an appreciation for the interactions.

I liked Lost in Translation, but I would probably care less if I hadn't ever been there.
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Not at all, it's about isolation by lack of communication, while being surrounded by people. It could be Japan, or any other highly populated non-English speaking place on earth.
 
I saw the movie for the 2nd time last night. I liked it the first time but LOVED it the 2nd time. I definitely overhyped myself the first time seeing it. This time I was able to simply sit and enjoy the movie. The world completely absorbed me and all I kept thinking was I would love to see a Planet Earth version of Pandora.

My entire family loved it. They have never double dipped into a movie in the theaters. They are planning on seeing Avatar again. My sister said is the best movie she's ever seen. My brother and I kept commenting throughout the movie how realistic the Na'vis looked.

I think this movie will have great legs.
 
stuburns said:
Not at all, it's about isolation by lack of communication, while being surrounded by people. It could be Japan, or any other highly populated non-English speaking place on earth.
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Yes, it could be anywhere, but I think Japan kind of lends itself to a unique brand of isolation and lack of communication. Just curious. I was interested because the experience was familiar to me. Anyone love Lost in Transalation, but has not been there nor know anything about Japan, or cares very little for that country/culture?
 
mrkgoo said:
Out of curiosity, do you think you need to appreciate Japan to enjoy Lost in Translation? Like either have been there or otherwise understand the idiosyncrasies to being a foreigner there? It doesn't mean you have to have been there, or be a diehard Japanophile, just have an appreciation for the interactions.

I liked Lost in Translation, but I would probably care less if I hadn't ever been there.
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I'm never been to Japan and I'm not really any more interested in Japanese culture than I am in a lot of other cultures that are mostly unfamiliar to me, and Lost In Translation hit me hard. The music, the cinematography, the dialogue and the performances, I found to be essentially flawless and very poignant, and they all combined together beautifully. It's the perfect example of a movie that needed no plot whatsoever, and was better off without one.

I put Bill Murray's performance in it as one of the top 5 of the decade that I've seen by any actor, male or female.
 
Seeing Alvin and the Chipmunks beat Avatar on Wednesday to drop horribly on Thursday, I thought of something. As awful as Alvin looks, I hope it does well. That way hopefully people love it and love Zachary Levi in it, then see he is on Chuck and they start watching that and the show becomes the hit that it deserves to be.

And the other funny thing about Alvin and Avatar having the top two spots? Both are Fox.
 
I don't know much about modern 3D technology but when the Blu-ray comes out, will we just have an anaglyph (red/blue) version? Is that the only feasible way for all TVs as of now?
 
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Zeliard said:
I'm never been to Japan and I'm not really any more interested in Japanese culture than I am in a lot of other cultures that are mostly unfamiliar to me, and Lost In Translation hit me hard. The music, the cinematography, the dialogue and the performances, I found to be essentially flawless and very poignant, and they all combined together beautifully. It's the perfect example of a movie that needed no plot whatsoever, and was better off without one.

I put Bill Murray's performance in it as one of the top 5 of the decade that I've seen by any actor, male or female.
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I guess I stand corrected :). I always figured you had to atleast like Japan or have a passing interest in the culture to have an appreciation for it.

For the record, when I went Japan, I went to Shinjuku crossing (in the movie), and also got horribly drunk going to karaoke. Unlike karaoke I've seen in western countries, the karaoke there were in private booths like in the movie. Hilarious stuff.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
I don't know much about modern 3D technology but when the Blu-ray comes out, will we just have an anaglyph (red/blue) version? Is that the only feasible way for all TVs as of now?
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I doubt there will be a anaglyph version. There will be a 2D standard version, then a true stereoscopic 3D version. That's what Cameron has suggested.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
I don't know much about modern 3D technology but when the Blu-ray comes out, will we just have an anaglyph (red/blue) version? Is that the only feasible way for all TVs as of now?
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What ever you want, the 3d blu ray standard does all.

120hz tv's also do the shutter thing...
 
Grimm Fandango said:
I don't know much about modern 3D technology but when the Blu-ray comes out, will we just have an anaglyph (red/blue) version? Is that the only feasible way for all TVs as of now?
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nah, the 3D bluray disc are supposed to be backwards compatible with 2D players
 
mrkgoo said:
I guess I stand corrected :). I always figured you had to atleast like Japan or have a passing interest in the culture to have an appreciation for it.

For the record, when I went Japan, I went to Shinjuku crossing (in the movie), and also got horribly drunk going to karaoke. Unlike karaoke I've seen in western countries, the karaoke there were in private booths like in the movie. Hilarious stuff.
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Well, don't get me wrong, I do have an interest in Japan and Japanese culture, but just not to any greater extent than some other foreign cultures I'm also interested in. Like I'd imagine it is for a lot of other gamers on GAF, Tokyo is a place I've always wanted to visit, and will eventually.

But I wouldn't say that that's necessarily what drove me to watch the film or why it ended up affecting me. I couldn't tell you what someone thinks of Lost In Translation who truly doesn't care about Japan even in terms of one day visiting it, or even hates Japan for whatever reason.
 
mrkgoo said:
Yes, it could be anywhere, but I think Japan kind of lends itself to a unique brand of isolation and lack of communication. Just curious. I was interested because the experience was familiar to me. Anyone love Lost in Transalation, but has not been there nor know anything about Japan, or cares very little for that country/culture?
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You ever been to Pandora?
 
Finally going to go see it a second time tomorrow night. I've been amazed at how quickly the showings in the IMAX theaters around here are always selling out on Fandango. This time I'm hopefully gonna get there early enough to grab a better seat. In my first viewing, I actually sat in a corner seat (never done that before). Fortunately is was back corner so I at least could see the whole big screen, though that angle might have affected the 3D.

I can't wait for the home release of the film in glorious Blu-Ray HD. Also, I hope Cameron's idea for that release, where he was thinking about allowing the viewer to almost either watch the theatrical cut, the extended cut, or even have the viewers be able to create an original cut with the added in scenes, is able to be realized.
 
tino said:
That actually is bad. JC made so much money with Titanic he basically took a 10-year break.
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It had more to do with Titanic being so brutal to make, and Cameron's new found interest deep sea exploration.
 
Zeliard said:
Well, don't get me wrong, I do have an interest in Japan and Japanese culture, but just not to any greater extent than some other foreign cultures I'm also interested in. Like I'd imagine it is for a lot of other gamers on GAF, Tokyo is a place I've always wanted to visit, and will eventually.

But I wouldn't say that that's necessarily what drove me to watch the film or why it ended up affecting me. I couldn't tell you what someone thinks of Lost In Translation who truly doesn't care about Japan even in terms of one day visiting it, or even hates Japan for whatever reason.
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It would be interesting to know. Maybe that interest in Japan is simply the way to get your foot int he door so to speak. Not a requirement to enjoying it, but without it, you'll probably never watch it.
 
stuburns said:
Really? Where did you read that?
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http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa174.html#121709

Starting next year the 3D on most blu-rays won't be of the red/blue variety. They will be full color HD stereoscopic, kind of like whats in theaters now. They have created a whole new spec for Blu-Ray. You will have to get a new 3D capable TV and new Blu-Ray player or just update your PS3 with a new firmware they will release. All 3D Blu-Ray discs that come out will also have the regular 2D version on them too.
 
mrkgoo said:
Not a requirement to enjoying it, but without it, you'll probably never watch it.
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Oh I wouldn't say that at all. I would say it's more that I don't hate Japan, so I wasn't repulsed by the movie. Japan, either way, is not what got me to see this movie. The main drive to go see it was actually for Bill Murray's performance, which had some great buzz surrounding it, and he's always been one of my favorite actors. I would have gone to see Lost in Translation no matter where on Earth, or outside of Earth, it had taken place. The fact that it took place in such a visually-impressive (to those unfamiliar, at least) environment just added to it.
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa174.html#121709

Starting next year the 3D on most blu-rays won't be of the red/blue variety. They will be full color HD stereoscopic, kind of like whats in theaters now. They have created a whole new spec for Blu-Ray. You will have to get a new 3D capable TV and new Blu-Ray player or just update your PS3 with a new firmware they will release. All 3D Blu-Ray discs that come out will also have the regular 2D version on them too.
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Awesome to hear that.
 
Jibril said:
I think the thing is, that most people were expecting something along the lines of the TDK OST. Which was just..no words to describe..
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TDK's score is inferior to BB's, though. BB's score had many more subtle, sweeping emotional Newton Howards cues than TDK, and Zimmer's "Molossus" is better than any of its re-arrangements in TDK.

jett said:
Nope, which just means how fucking useless the oscars are. 2001 wasn't even nominated for best picture.
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2001 was critically panned in 1968. Why would it have gotten a nom? You're looking at this through 2009 glasses, which is a world in which 2001 has the respect and admiration it deserved in 1968. But in 1968, people had no idea what to make of 2001. Its akin to saying that Blade Runner should have won Best Picture.

Zeliard said:
It's the best romance of the 00's.
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Forget romance, LiT is one of the best movies of the 00's fullstop.
 
Zeliard said:
Oh I wouldn't say that at all. I would say it's more that I don't hate Japan, so I wasn't repulsed by the movie. Japan, either way, is not what got me to see this movie. The main drive to go see it was actually for Bill Murray's performance, which had some great buzz surrounding it, and he's always been one of my favorite actors. I would have gone to see Lost in Translation no matter where on Earth, or outside of Earth, it had taken place. The fact that it took place in such a visually-impressive (to those unfamiliar, at least) environment just added to it.
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Ah, gotcha. Good points too.
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa174.html#121709

Starting next year the 3D on most blu-rays won't be of the red/blue variety. They will be full color HD stereoscopic, kind of like whats in theaters now. They have created a whole new spec for Blu-Ray. You will have to get a new 3D capable TV and new Blu-Ray player or just update your PS3 with a new firmware they will release. All 3D Blu-Ray discs that come out will also have the regular 2D version on them too.
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Sounds kick ass. I'll be looking at 3D ready hdtvs more once 3D blu-rays hit the market.
 
YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS.

I'll be seeing this later today, at 4.15 in 3D.

My sister will be part of the group, who's 7 btw :lol .
 
As awesome as 3d in the home is going to be, and I want it badly, it does seem a little fast to bring it home. We are just finishing the transition to HDTV for most people and that took much longer than expected. Now a new tech comes along not too soon after and people will think they are required to upgrade again so soon. Same with the players.

Also, the studios are looking to 3d in theaters as their new savior. Attendance is down at the movies, but since ticket prices are up they are making more money. But with 3d they can charge a premium price on the ticket and also deliver an experience that is not able to be replicated at home. I would think they would want to wait longer to push 3d into the home space so that they can milk it in the theaters for longer.

I know 3d at home will be a niche market for quite a long time, but it does seem very sudden when it is just starting to take off in theaters.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
As awesome as 3d in the home is going to be, and I want it badly, it does seem a little fast to bring it home. We are just finishing the transition to HDTV for most people and that took much longer than expected. Now a new tech comes along not too soon after and people will think they are required to upgrade again so soon. Same with the players.

Also, the studios are looking to 3d in theaters as their new savior. Attendance is down at the movies, but since ticket prices are up they are making more money. But with 3d they can charge a premium price on the ticket and also deliver an experience that is not able to be replicated at home. I would think they would want to wait longer to push 3d into the home space so that they can milk it in the theaters for longer.

I know 3d at home will be a niche market for quite a long time, but it does seem very sudden when it is just starting to take off in theaters.
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Well there will be basically no content for a year. Early adopters will be there of course, but it's like any brand new tech, pointless for a while.

Avatar is incredible, but it's not worth buying a 3DTV for, to me at least. I haven't seen any dimensionalization, but I suspect it's pretty poor in comparison to real 3D. I'm looking forward to Sanctum late next year, but by the time that's on bluray, we're already on 2011. I think I'll be waiting for 'next-gen' before I bite.
 
Of all goes to plan I should get to watch it in 3D at least twice more :D. I avoided all the trailers and info before I saw it so I'm catching up now.
 
Guardian Bob said:
After watching the movie, is the Avatar game worth it?
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Which one is worth what? The PS360&PC version is pretty bad, but if you can get it for about £5, I guess it's worth it, but it's still stupid. The Wii version is awful, the PSP version is a port of that, so although I haven't played it, I suspect it's utter trash, and I haven't touched the iPhone version, but it's hear it's not bad.
 
Lots of praise for the OST...hmm, might have to pick it up, although I can't recall any of the themes for the life of me. For some odd reason I feel like the OST sounds similar to the music from Gladiator, but that's probably only because I just watched the Gladiator extended cut the other day in all its oversharpened, digital noise reduced form.

mrkgoo said:
Out of curiosity, do you think you need to appreciate Japan to enjoy Lost in Translation? Like either have been there or otherwise understand the idiosyncrasies to being a foreigner there? It doesn't mean you have to have been there, or be a diehard Japanophile, just have an appreciation for the interactions.

I liked Lost in Translation, but I would probably care less if I hadn't ever been there.
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Can't speak for the others, but the only reason I saw Lost in Translation as soon as I did was because it was set in Japan. It was extra enjoyable because I could relate to a lot of the things the main character went through, as well as get a lot of the more culturally relative jokes. Understanding the language helps with enjoying the movie more, as I'm sure those viewers who understand French, German, and Italian got a lot more enjoyment out of Inglourious Basterds.

Aselith said:
So, maybe the Earth government doesn't allow them to carry design data for non-defensive weaponry? I know machine guns and missiles can technically be used for offense but stuff that is offense only like bombs were restricted. If they had access to bombs, they would have made them before they attacked Hometree. They had months in which they knew war with the Na'vi would be a possibility. Therefore, they had no access to bombs.
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Maybe. I'd argue that there's not much difference between bombs and missiles. I mean, just fire a missile downwards instead of forwards and it's essentially a bomb. I kind of accept the premise that the humans didn't have anything better since anything and everything they use is from carefully restricted and approved designs from Earth. There wasn't anyone among them who could have cooked up something more useful (barring some kind of physical or DRM restriction on lithographic design templates or something)? I guess they're all idiots, then.

They didn't bomb Hometree because Quaritch didn't think he needed to and because they were still operating under the pretense of minimal casualties, which is why they fired gas rounds first. He was proved right, because his plan worked.

For his attack on the Tree of Souls, it was basically the same plan as always with the addition of duct taping a bunch of little bombs together to make a big bomb (you know, the Tim "The Toolman" Taylor approach to offensive campaigns).

Like I said before, the downfall of the villains in this movie is due to the classical hubris and idiocy like it is so in many other great films. That's fine. I've accepted stupider premises before, although I draw the line at Shia going to Robot Valhalla.

The reason the little implausibilities in the this film bother me so is because the rest of the film get things so right, and the little things are a bit more noticeable.
 
Rentahamster said:
It was extra enjoyable because I could relate to a lot of the things the main character went through, as well as get a lot of the more culturally relative jokes. Understanding the language helps with enjoying the movie more, as I'm sure those viewers who understand French, German, and Italian got a lot more enjoyment out of Inglourious Basterds.
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I would have thought this hurt the film, the point is they don't know what's happening around them, you're not meant to know either, that's what I take from the film anyway.
 
stuburns said:
Which one is worth what? The PS360&PC version is pretty bad, but if you can get it for about £5, I guess it's worth it, but it's still stupid. The Wii version is awful, the PSP version is a port of that, so although I haven't played it, I suspect it's utter trash, and I haven't touched the iPhone version, but it's hear it's not bad.
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I was thinking story/lore wize.
 
I'm still very confused about the game. Originally I thought it was supposed to be a "prequel" game with a storyline to be considered canon. But now, the descriptions are more like it is just a retelling/alternate universe of the movie and therefore that would kind of make it less than canon.
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa174.html#121709

Starting next year the 3D on most blu-rays won't be of the red/blue variety. They will be full color HD stereoscopic, kind of like whats in theaters now. They have created a whole new spec for Blu-Ray. You will have to get a new 3D capable TV and new Blu-Ray player or just update your PS3 with a new firmware they will release. All 3D Blu-Ray discs that come out will also have the regular 2D version on them too.
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Awesome. Now re-release Coraline on Blu 3D!
 
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