RTTP Star Wars - Return of the Jedi is the best
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Charles Foster Kane
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Jedi is not the best of the OT for a lot more reasons than the Ewoks. I actually don't mind them that much.
Dialogue in RotS is so so bad though.
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Everyone knows Empire is the best. It's the only Star Wars that grabs you by the nuts and pulls you through the movie with zero bullshit. No Jar Jar, no Ewoks, no young obnoxious Luke whining. Straight up space opera exhilaration.
RotJ is great, but has its down sides. I feel like Tatooine takes too long. The interspliced scenes at the end kind of clash and take away from each other. Ewoks. The highs are super high (still the best space battle ever), and the Emperor's Throne Room is amazing, but it definitely has its draw backs.
RotJ is great, but has its down sides. I feel like Tatooine takes too long. The interspliced scenes at the end kind of clash and take away from each other. Ewoks. The highs are super high (still the best space battle ever), and the Emperor's Throne Room is amazing, but it definitely has its draw backs.
The binary sunset and the attack on the Death Star are great, not disagreeing with you at all. But honestly the acting in A New Hope is really weak in spots.
kaiju
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I think that's the main problem. I hope people seek out the original version if they plan to watch ROTJ how it should be watched.
Nerdkiller
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Don't get cocky.
At least it had proper ending music in that version.
Hayden addition is unforgivable, though.
What great timing, I actually just finished the original trilogy for the first time last night (being a 27yo male that loves sci-fi, I can't believe it took me this long).
Personally, I thought the whole befriending the Ewok part in ROTJ was too long and off tangent. That being said, I agree that the chase scene in Endor was impressive and the climax of the movie was really great.
What I really enjoyed about ESB was how much they expanded the universe. ROTJ felt smaller in comparison.
Overall, I was really impressed with how much they were able to pull off in the 70's and 80's in terms of special effects and can see why there's so many fans for the franchise.
Also, Yoda is hilarious.
Personally, I thought the whole befriending the Ewok part in ROTJ was too long and off tangent. That being said, I agree that the chase scene in Endor was impressive and the climax of the movie was really great.
What I really enjoyed about ESB was how much they expanded the universe. ROTJ felt smaller in comparison.
Overall, I was really impressed with how much they were able to pull off in the 70's and 80's in terms of special effects and can see why there's so many fans for the franchise.
Also, Yoda is hilarious.
AllIsOneIsNone
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No worse than any of the other movies where stormtroopers have the aim of a blind alcoholic going through withdrawl.
DUFFMCWALIN
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5>6>=4>>>>>3>>>>>WHO GIVES A FUCK.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
It isn't good in any of the films.
On that note, that reminds me: I forget if this rumor has been proven true or not with time, but did George Lucas actually ghost-direct ROTJ?
So is RotJ
"I know."
The whole "Boring conversation" stuff in New Hope.
Basically, all the best stuff was Harrison Ford ad-libs.
Ok this is not a valid criticism. You had four non trained fighters fighting their way out of the death star filled with the same elite army! Storm troopers have always been throwaway enemies in the series so leveling this criticism towards only 6 is unfair.
SigmasonicX
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We wouldn't have gotten, "Well Chewie, we're home," tho
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Actually, the thing that bothers me most about Jedi, is that it starts to show signs of the wooden alien dialogue present in the prequels. Prequel signs are not a good thing.
phoenix296
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5>4>6... I think that's all of them.
New hope is the start of that
DUFFMCWALIN
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AMAZING space battle. I love the ship designs in star wars.
For me, I think in terms of good films they rank 5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 1 but I'm a little iffy on the placement of 1 and 2.
For pure enjoyment - which for me is not necessarily directly tied to film making quality - I'd go 5 > 6 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 2.
ESB to me is easily the best film but I love Jedi fun and space battles so that's why if I just want to watch some great Star Wars action, I often look to RotJ and RotS.
For pure enjoyment - which for me is not necessarily directly tied to film making quality - I'd go 5 > 6 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 2.
ESB to me is easily the best film but I love Jedi fun and space battles so that's why if I just want to watch some great Star Wars action, I often look to RotJ and RotS.
It was my favorite growing up, though Empire is easily the best of the OT. ROTJ has some really great scenes and sections (Jabba's palace, space battle, Luke vs. Vader) but it has issues in the middle of the film. Overall ROTJ's flaws don't detract from the overall experience for me.
I certainly can't agree with anyone who says ROTS > ROTJ.
I certainly can't agree with anyone who says ROTS > ROTJ.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Not really. Not to the same level. Plus, the delivery of some of the lines is straight up awkward. I still cringe with lines like "the emperor hasn't driven it from you fully".
brandonh83
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I feel that way about 4 and 5 as well. I don't think it was something introduced in 6, let alone the prequels.
Best scene in the entire trilogy, Vader baiting luke to lash out is so good.
Still, 5>4>6
brandonh83
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Context is a hell of a thing.
Some of the stuff on Endor definitely drags a little, and the script (dialogue in particular) is weaker than Empire. But I enjoy the Jabba's palace and throne room stuff, and it succeeds as a satisfying emotional climax to the series. That alone puts a huge gulf between it and any of the prequels.
LookAtMeGo
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ROTJ is my favourite as well. Jabba's Palace, the escape from the pit of Sarlacc, the speeder bikes, the final battle between the Empire/Rebel forces and Luke and Vader. I love all of them so much but ROTJ is the one I keep watching the most. Empire is a close second, Hoth migh be my favourite scene of all 3. Then New Hope.
I can't really think of a better end to a film trilogy.
tedrotheredro
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I think we can all agree #2 is the worst.
Cynicism is so much easier.
brandonh83
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Arguably, yeah, although I dig some things about it. I just can never decide if 1 or 2 is the worst. I think they both have their ups and downs and are about equal to me as the worst one.
Indeed.
No. Lol. No. Not even close. Some of the delivery in RotJ is weak, but the writing is totally par for the course. Dialogue is about as campy and weird as it always was in Jedi. Some people take issue with Ben's conversation with Luke and the bit with Leia on the bridge, but whatever. RotS, on the other hand, is aggressively, appallingly awful. And I like that movie. But goddamn.
"I have the [moral] high ground!"
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
"She has lost the will to live."
"I saw him... Killing younglings." (sobs)
"NOOOOOOOOO"
Anything Anakin says to Padme
Horrible. Bad. Horrible, bad, slightly better than AOTC, light years worse than RotJ.
I feel like Return of the Jedi gets a bad rap because it just has this long, boring middle segment with the Ewoks.
But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the middle of Empire Strikes Back is equally as long and dull. Han Solo is just screwing around trying to get the engines started while stuck on an asteroid.......Luke is just failing half a dozen Jedi tests with Yoda being an obtuse little prick for no apparent reason.
Both of those movies are great for their amazing opening and closing sequences -- I see little reason to re-watch the middle most of the time. Strangely I guess A New Hope has the most cogent and entertaining middle sequence.
But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the middle of Empire Strikes Back is equally as long and dull. Han Solo is just screwing around trying to get the engines started while stuck on an asteroid.......Luke is just failing half a dozen Jedi tests with Yoda being an obtuse little prick for no apparent reason.
Both of those movies are great for their amazing opening and closing sequences -- I see little reason to re-watch the middle most of the time. Strangely I guess A New Hope has the most cogent and entertaining middle sequence.
brandonh83
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I don't think most of that dialogue is bad but the delivery of them could have been a lot better. On paper it's not that bad to me though.
I could do that with a lot of the OT dialogue as well. "HOLD me..." (sobs) It's just that nobody wants to do that because memories.
I could do that with a lot of the OT dialogue as well. "HOLD me..." (sobs) It's just that nobody wants to do that because memories.
Amazing .
I find it impossible to rank the prequels. They all have so few merits by which to distinguish them once I'm down to comparing which had more spaceship designs or bits of score that I liked, I wonder why I'm even bothering.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
ME TOO! He has, at the very most, 15-20 minutes of screen time throughout the whole trilogy. A few minutes each for Empire and Jedi.
It must be the helmet, the backstory and the gadgets. He is kind of a badass.
This is one of the most perfect ways I've ever seen to sum up the prequels. Well said.
All 3 Star movies (there are only 3 that currently exist) are perfect in their own way.
The first movie was the perfect way to introduce the characters and the general story.
Empire was pretty much a perfect movie. It takes the first movie and ramps up everything by a billion percent. And that cliffhanger ending was such a fantastic and ballsy way to end the movie.
It is almost impossible to watch Empire and not push in the Return of the Jedi VHS (the preferred way to watch the movies without any of the poison Lucas decided to insert later on). Return is a perfect ending to the trilogy. The characters seem a little tired at times in the movie, especially Leia (fucking Carrie Fischer seems to mail shit it in this movie), but we also get Billy Fucking Dee Williams piloting the Millennium Falcon straight into the Death Star in what is still the greatest space battle in movie history.
The first movie was the perfect way to introduce the characters and the general story.
Empire was pretty much a perfect movie. It takes the first movie and ramps up everything by a billion percent. And that cliffhanger ending was such a fantastic and ballsy way to end the movie.
It is almost impossible to watch Empire and not push in the Return of the Jedi VHS (the preferred way to watch the movies without any of the poison Lucas decided to insert later on). Return is a perfect ending to the trilogy. The characters seem a little tired at times in the movie, especially Leia (fucking Carrie Fischer seems to mail shit it in this movie), but we also get Billy Fucking Dee Williams piloting the Millennium Falcon straight into the Death Star in what is still the greatest space battle in movie history.
ROTJ wasn't a great film, there was a lot of bad moviemaking on Endor and even in Jabba's Palace, but it did an excellent job of concluding Luke's arch and delivering a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy. But of the original three, it's probably the one I'm least likely to watch if it comes on TV, especially if its anywhere in the middle of the movie.
That's actually how I learned how much I hated the prequels. Even though they came on TV a lot and I even had digital copies of them, I never bothered watching them ever. I don't even think I've ever watched ROTS since I walked out of that theater. The existence of a prequel defense force makes even less sense to me on a gaming forum, where you'd think the predominate majority of Star Wars fans have played the "Dark Forces" or "KOTOR" games, which both put the prequel trilogies to shame in every conceivable facet, including acting by CGI actors.
That's actually how I learned how much I hated the prequels. Even though they came on TV a lot and I even had digital copies of them, I never bothered watching them ever. I don't even think I've ever watched ROTS since I walked out of that theater. The existence of a prequel defense force makes even less sense to me on a gaming forum, where you'd think the predominate majority of Star Wars fans have played the "Dark Forces" or "KOTOR" games, which both put the prequel trilogies to shame in every conceivable facet, including acting by CGI actors.
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