"Your version." Yes, I am Gary Kurtz.
Also, bittersweet ending =/= lack of resolution. Heh, you think they initially outlined the final entry of a trilogy to not have a climactic resolution?
RTTP Star Wars - Return of the Jedi is the best
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"Your version." Yes, I am Gary Kurtz.
Also, bittersweet ending =/= lack of resolution. Heh, you think they initially outlined the final entry of a trilogy to not have a climactic resolution?
TheWorthyEdge
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Yep. Feel the same exact way. Though I'd put Empire Strikes Back over New Hope.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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My list exactly.
User 479360
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For me, it's:
5>4>6>>>>>>3>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
Episode 2 is awful
Never understood how people could find ROTJ better then eps 4 or 5. Aside from the fact that the movie stumbles after the first half hour, I always find the restored Death Star so lame. They really couldn't think of a better plot device?? Put me in the RotS>RotJ camp because of that.
lastplayed
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Rancor
Sarlacc battle
Yoda's death
Speeder bike chase
Battle of Endor
AT-STs
You rebel scum
Lando
It definitely has the most of all my favourite Star Wars moments. It was probably my most watched movie growing up.
Sarlacc battle
Yoda's death
Speeder bike chase
Battle of Endor
AT-STs
You rebel scum
Lando
It definitely has the most of all my favourite Star Wars moments. It was probably my most watched movie growing up.
I will never understand how anyone could rank any of the prequels over any of the OT. 3 especially is so damn boring, and can't possibly tie up or make sense of the nonsense it was given in 1 and 2. It's a bad, boring movie for the entirety of it.
Yeah, opinions and whatnot, but I will never, ever understand how someone could enjoy those more.
Yeah, opinions and whatnot, but I will never, ever understand how someone could enjoy those more.
Han being rescued only to die 20 minutes later would have been lame as fuck and I'm glad it never happened.
The Death Star was invincible aside from one torpedo sized hole. Why in the world wouldn't you try it again?
The Death Star was invincible aside from one torpedo sized hole. Why in the world wouldn't you try it again?
RoyaleDuke
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That title isn't The Empire Strikes Back.
Thread over.
Thread over.
Seriously, it's the best one. Thank you based Kasdan and company.
Yeah, I don't get it either. The lows of Jedi don't hit the lows of Sith, and Sith doesn't hit the same highs Jedi hits either. Sith also doesn't have Slave Girl Leia, and the Emperor is hammy and corny in Sith while in Jedi he's basically evil incarnate.
It sure is. It's easily the worst of the entire saga. As bad as The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith are, they aren't in the same league as Attack of the Clones in terms of sheer awfulness.
Extra Sauce
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The tragic scene of Luke vs Vader vs Palpatine might be the most powerful of the whole series.
Rehashing the death star plot was lazy writing though.
Rehashing the death star plot was lazy writing though.
Xplatformer
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Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith at least have a handful of good parts where I can understand why some fans would defend those movies. Episode 2 lacks anything that warrants revisiting it outside of a Plinkett video. It's boring, the heroes aren't interesting, the villain of the movie doesn't even show up until over halfway in, and I personally think Yoda even engaging in a lightsaber battle goes against everything his character is supposed to represent. Literally the only thing I can think of that's worth seeing at all in Episode 2 is Anakin slaughtering the Tusken Raiders (which, for the record, was a much better "Anakin falls to the Dark Side" moment than anything in Episode 3)
Agreed. I struggled to get through Attack of the Clones earlier in the year when I re-watched the entire saga... it almost put me to sleep. I'm not sure I could manage it again before The Force Awakens comes out, I might have to skip it in another saga viewing.
ROTS has a majority of the plot and character development of the PT. It's a bridge to the OT. It also has the best action, as well as iconic moments such as the immolation or Vader getting his mask and suit. Hell, I remember reading the ROTJ novelization and how Obi-Wan mentions that he and Anakin had fought each other on a volcano or something like that. I remember thinking at that time, "If more SW movies ever get made, that is the moment I need to see."
The problem is, despite all those things ROTS still has the flaws of writing and dialogue of its two predecessors. The core ideas and major plot elements are there, but the transitions between these elements are rough. One moment Anakin apologizes to Obi-Wan for being impatient and difficult, the next moment he's complaining that Obi-Wan doesn't trust him. You get what Lucas was going for (showing Anakin as conflicted), but the execution simply doesn't work in rendering the character as sympathetic or complex.
FWIW I think Hayden did an admirable job with the material in ROTS. On another note you have SLJ's reaction to Palpatine being Sidious: "A Sith lord...?" So bad. And again, Lucas wanted to show the Jedi as being too strict, too rigid, too arrogant, too old-fashioned, but again the writing and execution just make them unlikable. The prequels are filled largely with unlikable, sterile, boring characters. Oh shit, I'm rambling.
Personally, I think I would have liked ROTS a lot more if the movies preceding it weren't awful and made me not care about any of the main characters. I didn't feel sad for Anakin watching him turn to the dark side because he's portrayed as a spoiled brat most of the time, I didn't root for Obi-Wan because he's kind of a hypocrite, I didn't care about Padme because she... just... doesn't really do anything. I didn't feel any emotional attachment to watching the Obi-Wan vs Anakin fight because it didn't feel like a battle between two former best friends, because the prequels did nothing to make me believe they were ever friends.
If the first two prequels fleshed out Obi Wan and Anakin better and actually built up a good friendship between the two, ROTS as it currently exists would have been a better movie.
If the first two prequels fleshed out Obi Wan and Anakin better and actually built up a good friendship between the two, ROTS as it currently exists would have been a better movie.
Xplatformer
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That's the way I see it.
If they didn't have the Ewoks I'd swap 6 with 4. Unfortunately, they are a huge hairy eye sore in the last of the OT.
I can't wait for the new adventures to start.
Really? I'm gonna have to rewatch the original trilogy then. I thought the dialogue was better there. But if it's the case, I'm wondering if we'll get the first Star Wars movie with good dialogue this year with TFA.
Im_So_Pringles
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6>5>>4>>>>3=1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
6. Return is the greatest. It has everything. It may not be as deep and menacing as Empire, but holy shit. It's so damn good. The greatest Space Battle of all time is contained within. Nothing has topped it yet. I'm hoping the new trilogy changes this!
5. Incredible movie. I recognize why it's a lot of peoples' favorite in the franchise. It has the best moment of the entire saga; Yoda lifting the X-Wing from the bog in Dagobah. The score during that moment will never be topped. I get shivers every time I watch it.
4. Great movie. The acting is definitely worse than the other original trilogy movies. The ending Death Star battle is still immensely entertaining.
3. Decent movie. Extremely entertaining action, but the plot development leaves a lot to be desired. Anakin's turn was way too quick and sudden.
1. Decent movie. Jar Jar is shit. However, the pod racing and battle on three fronts sequences of the movie are freaking cool. Politics stuff is a little boring. Ewan is a badass. Liam is a badass. Anakin is annoying.
2. Shit tier movie. Garbage. Ewan is the only redeeming quality in the acting front. Anakin is a whiney bitch. The best thing about this film is the sound that Jango's space bombs make.
These thoughts are hyper watered down and don't contain a lot of finesse, but they do reflect my feelings accurately. I'm a huge Star Wars fan. Also, TCW tv show actually made me like the prequels more in a roundabout way. It helps fix some of the prequels' shortcomings.
6. Return is the greatest. It has everything. It may not be as deep and menacing as Empire, but holy shit. It's so damn good. The greatest Space Battle of all time is contained within. Nothing has topped it yet. I'm hoping the new trilogy changes this!
5. Incredible movie. I recognize why it's a lot of peoples' favorite in the franchise. It has the best moment of the entire saga; Yoda lifting the X-Wing from the bog in Dagobah. The score during that moment will never be topped. I get shivers every time I watch it.
4. Great movie. The acting is definitely worse than the other original trilogy movies. The ending Death Star battle is still immensely entertaining.
3. Decent movie. Extremely entertaining action, but the plot development leaves a lot to be desired. Anakin's turn was way too quick and sudden.
1. Decent movie. Jar Jar is shit. However, the pod racing and battle on three fronts sequences of the movie are freaking cool. Politics stuff is a little boring. Ewan is a badass. Liam is a badass. Anakin is annoying.
2. Shit tier movie. Garbage. Ewan is the only redeeming quality in the acting front. Anakin is a whiney bitch. The best thing about this film is the sound that Jango's space bombs make.
These thoughts are hyper watered down and don't contain a lot of finesse, but they do reflect my feelings accurately. I'm a huge Star Wars fan. Also, TCW tv show actually made me like the prequels more in a roundabout way. It helps fix some of the prequels' shortcomings.
EatinOlives
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Tangential aside:
It just hit me that after over a decade of ranking the 6 movies, we're about to have the number 7 jump into the lists.
Wow.
It just hit me that after over a decade of ranking the 6 movies, we're about to have the number 7 jump into the lists.
Wow.
The RotJ fight also feels more impressive because it and the space battle are the only good things in RotJ. Everything else is either a rehash of something that already happened in the previous films (Death Star, Jabba's palace is just the cantina with a budget), awful dialogue trying to sell an impossible retcon in the form of Leia being a Skywalker, or nonsensical plans that only work if they go wrong in exactly the way they go wrong in the film.
From a writing perspective, RotJ is about on par with the prequels. It's really not very good. Empire is really the only Star Wars movie that is a legitimately great film, and over the course of the prequel trilogy it became clear that Empire is the weird one in the series specifically because it's a great film.
Wonder where it will end up in people's list. I have a sneaky feeling it will be received very well. There is something about the new trailer that fills me with confidence.
This is why empire can't be my favourite. It is a 'second act' of a movie, it has no ending. If they had had to make ESB as a standalone movie it wouldn't have had the time to explore the things it explored.
ESB-ROTJ cannot be separated, they are symbiotic. judge one, judge both.
5-6 is the best Star Wars movie.
LookAtMeGo
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Tonight I was like "I dont remember ep. 2 being THAT bad", I havnt watched it in years. I like all the movies but dont care too much for ep. 1,2 and 3. So I try and watch 2 again. As soon as Anakin flipped on to the bed to double slash those 2 slug thing off of Padme and Obi jumped out the window I had to turn it off.
lol
Stiflers Mom
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I cannot understand how the ewoks are thrown into the same category than Jar Jar Binks.
The ewoks are maneating tribal motherfuckers who unfortunately happen to look like teddy bears, while Jar Jar Binks is an annoying stupid bunny frog whose only job in the movie is to walk into poo and do "funny stuff". A main character. Part of "the gang".
And on the wookie planet discussion:
I for one, wouldn't want to have a planet full of wookies. It's like I don't want a planet full of Han Solos. Chewie is a distinct character. You diminish his character if there is a full planet of characters like him.
"Return of the Jedi" is one of these movies, were I thought it's one of the greatest things in my childhood, and then the internet came and told me I am supposed to think it's a bad movie... Same with "Temple of Doom"... I just don't understand it.
The ewoks are maneating tribal motherfuckers who unfortunately happen to look like teddy bears, while Jar Jar Binks is an annoying stupid bunny frog whose only job in the movie is to walk into poo and do "funny stuff". A main character. Part of "the gang".
And on the wookie planet discussion:
I for one, wouldn't want to have a planet full of wookies. It's like I don't want a planet full of Han Solos. Chewie is a distinct character. You diminish his character if there is a full planet of characters like him.
"Return of the Jedi" is one of these movies, were I thought it's one of the greatest things in my childhood, and then the internet came and told me I am supposed to think it's a bad movie... Same with "Temple of Doom"... I just don't understand it.
As a Star Wars obsessed kid (still am) I had seen A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back on video countless hundreds of times, but couldn't get a copy of Return of the Jedi anywhere (I was only about 6 so my options were somewhat limited). I waited about a year without knowing how the saga ended, and when you consider how Empire ended, the suspense was absolutely killing me.
And then in 1997 the films were re-released in the cinema for the Special Editions and I finally got to see the climax on the big screen. It absolutely blew my mind. Although I know that Empire is overall the better film, I have the fondest memories of seeing RotJ.
And then in 1997 the films were re-released in the cinema for the Special Editions and I finally got to see the climax on the big screen. It absolutely blew my mind. Although I know that Empire is overall the better film, I have the fondest memories of seeing RotJ.
ROTJ is good, but to be honest every SW movie has good AND bad things about them.
That about summarises my thoughts
A New Hope
Good:
Bad:
Pathetic lightsaber duel
CHEEEEEESSE
Empire:
Good:
Bad:
Empires actually is consistently good throughout. I wasn't a fan of anything dagobah though
ROTJ:
Good:
One of my all time favourite shots
Bad:
Awful kick + Fett dying like he did
horrible ewoks
PM
Good:
Bad:
AOTC:
Good:
Bad:
Yoda jumping around looks stupid. Should have been force only.
Another Fett having a crappy death
sand
ROTS:
Good:
Best robe removals in cinematic history
You couldn't get a better look for Anakin.
Bad:
That about summarises my thoughts
Chuckie
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I like you.
Add the seismic charges from the Slave I and remove Dagobah from your bad list and I might love you.
My favourite thing about Jedi is how snide the Emperor is ...
" You... want this don't you "
" Younng foool. Only now, at the end, do you understand "
Oh and the best snideyness
https://youtu.be/zGwDwx10wB4
" You... want this don't you "
" Younng foool. Only now, at the end, do you understand "
Oh and the best snideyness
https://youtu.be/zGwDwx10wB4
JimJamJones
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Rewatched (the theatrical version of) Empire last night, saw this thread this morning.
Empire is a perfect movie, without a doubt.
5>>>4>6>>>>3>>>2>1
greatestjediever
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There are a lot of good people here. Long live RotJ! We should form a Yub Nub Fan Club.
VI: My favorite, mostly because it had the space battle over Endor which is the greatest space battle in all of cinematic history, and because it was the first one I ever watched.
V: Probably objectively the best film on the series. When I was younger it was my least favorite, but as I got older and began to appreciate finer points of acting and film-making, I've grown to love it.
IV: Hurts to put this at the bottom of the OT, because it's amazing. I actually think the acting in this was great - everyone is earnest despite what is a pretty ridiculous (especially for the time) script. The Death Star trench run is probably the most intense moment in the series - and the accompanying music is incredible.
I: The only one of the PT I don't actively despise, despite how bad it is. It's childishness is actually a redeeming factor for me now, since it's the most jovial and lighthearted of the PT and the pod-race is great.
III: Barely ahead of II. Probably the most disappointing of the series for me, because I was desperately hoping for it to scavenge what little good will the series had left after II, and it did so horribly. The entire ending sequence had some of the worst acting (outside of the Anakin-Padme romance) that I've seen, and the Master Jedi/Palpatine fight was horrible, as was the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight.
II: The worst of the series because of Anakin-Padme romance, completely CG Geonosis battle and piss poor just about everything. The only thing I liked was Sandpeople slaughter and Anakin's admission to Padme. It was as if you could almost see Hayden's acting potential coming out, and were suddenly silenced. Actually, that one scene may bump it up above III, I'm not sure yet. They're battling it out last place.
VI: My favorite, mostly because it had the space battle over Endor which is the greatest space battle in all of cinematic history, and because it was the first one I ever watched.
V: Probably objectively the best film on the series. When I was younger it was my least favorite, but as I got older and began to appreciate finer points of acting and film-making, I've grown to love it.
IV: Hurts to put this at the bottom of the OT, because it's amazing. I actually think the acting in this was great - everyone is earnest despite what is a pretty ridiculous (especially for the time) script. The Death Star trench run is probably the most intense moment in the series - and the accompanying music is incredible.
I: The only one of the PT I don't actively despise, despite how bad it is. It's childishness is actually a redeeming factor for me now, since it's the most jovial and lighthearted of the PT and the pod-race is great.
III: Barely ahead of II. Probably the most disappointing of the series for me, because I was desperately hoping for it to scavenge what little good will the series had left after II, and it did so horribly. The entire ending sequence had some of the worst acting (outside of the Anakin-Padme romance) that I've seen, and the Master Jedi/Palpatine fight was horrible, as was the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight.
II: The worst of the series because of Anakin-Padme romance, completely CG Geonosis battle and piss poor just about everything. The only thing I liked was Sandpeople slaughter and Anakin's admission to Padme. It was as if you could almost see Hayden's acting potential coming out, and were suddenly silenced. Actually, that one scene may bump it up above III, I'm not sure yet. They're battling it out last place.
Sorcerer
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Basically Endor is filler to connect Point A to Point B.
I don't mind the Ewoks, but cmon, Jedi was made so that it could sell a boatload of toys.
They blow up the Death Star again in the same trilogy. (Then they blow up the Death Star again in Menace basically).
Jedi is only half a good movie. George was running out of ideas at this point and it shows.
I don't mind the Ewoks, but cmon, Jedi was made so that it could sell a boatload of toys.
They blow up the Death Star again in the same trilogy. (Then they blow up the Death Star again in Menace basically).
Jedi is only half a good movie. George was running out of ideas at this point and it shows.
I think Empire is the better movie, but Return of the Jedi has the highest highs in the entire series (up to now). Luke vs Vadar at the end is chills stuff and the space battle is the best in the series. Best battle overall infact other than Hoth.
I really don't mind the Ewoks either. Comparing them to Jar Jar Binks who legitimately plays a major part in ruining that entire movie feels like hyperbole to me.
I really don't mind the Ewoks either. Comparing them to Jar Jar Binks who legitimately plays a major part in ruining that entire movie feels like hyperbole to me.
Inferno313
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I remember thinking the Jango Vs Obi-Wan, and the whole Clone origin stuff to be pretty cool in AOTC, but that's about it.
This I disagree with, both because I don't necessarily feel it was a rehash of the cantina nor do I really feel like this was a rehash of anything. A confrontation with Jabba the Hutt was something that was built up in the previous two movies, so it was more a closure to one of the few multi-movie storylines that was going on.
I can understand how people think the Death Star in Jedi is lazy from a writing perspective but from an in-universe perspective it makes sense to me. The Death Star was basically invincible outside of one design defect, so why not just rebuild the Death Star and fix that one issue? Plus if the Empire wants to truly bait the Rebellion it's basically the biggest possible bait you can give them.
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