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[Dusktildawn48]

Very interesting:

Only losing ~5% performance going from 575 Watts to 450 Watts on a 5090.


This could be a wonderful card for undervolting.

Does this mean I could get away with a quality 850w PSU (which I already have) and an undervolted 9800x3d?

 

[TrebleShot]

Real next gen starts next year.

5090ti incoming.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

High price with a lot of watts for a not too big jump in performance with a lot of coil whine. No thanks, that's my conclusion. But either way, I wasn't their target group from the start.

 

[Celcius]

Looks like it's legitimately more than twice as fast as my 3090

 

[analog_future]

Does this mean I could get away with a quality 850w PSU (which I already have) and an undervolted 9800x3d?

Yep, shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Yep, shouldn't be a problem.

Only if I wait in the like at microcenter on launch and they don't have any 5080s close to MSRP.

 

[dorkimoe]

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS REFUSE TO JUST PUT THE ENTIRE LINEUP IN THE GRAPHIC HOW THE FUCK CAN THEY NEVER INCLUDE THE 5080

 

[CrustyBritches]

And a new GAF prophet is born. That other guy won't be lonely anymore.

OnQ123

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS REFUSE TO JUST PUT THE ENTIRE LINEUP IN THE GRAPHIC HOW THE FUCK CAN THEY NEVER INCLUDE THE 5080

Sadly the embargo for the 5080 doesn't lift until launch day, which should tell you a lot about what they expect

 

[SlimySnake]

you mean the contrary

lol yes. crazy how they are still on the same node.

explains the paltry 25% boost because the number of shader cores they were able to add on the same node was just 25%.

 

[dorkimoe]

Sadly the embargo for the 5080 doesn't lift until launch day, which should tell you a lot about what they expect

thanks. Ive noticed this every year, they never just list all the new cards with the last gen. guess im not jumping in day 1, want to see if its worth my time

 

[Rickyiez]

Optimum with another awesome video.
Power consumption to performance ratio is absurd.

Banger video , love his visual presentation on the charts and the smoke coming out from the GPU itself . You can feel that he gave so much effort in putting this together compared to lazy ass Nexus with their ugly ass graphs . Optimum's one is lacking on RT benchmarks though

 

[proandrad]

thanks. Ive noticed this every year, they never just list all the new cards with the last gen. guess im not jumping in day 1, want to see if its worth my time

I might be wrong but I don't think this was the case for the 1000 and 3000 series cards.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Sadly the embargo for the 5080 doesn't lift until launch day, which should tell you a lot about what they expect

I believe the embargo for the 5080 is actually the 29th, the day before launch.

 

[peish]

as a budget conscious PCMR , this deflate my stiffness to pay scalpers for a 5090.

The excess heat and power means less room for tweaking and overclocking.

I can smell 5090Ti end of the year with refined 3nm process.

 

[bender]

Which Youtube face should I click on?

 

[FingerBang]

I believe the embargo for the 5080 is actually the 29th, the day before launch.

That's correct. And looking at how accurate the rumors were for the 5090, it's fair to expect an average of 10-15% for the 5080. Definitely not worth upgrading to it from a 4080, but a big jump from people with a 3080 or 4070.

Which Youtube face should I click on?

The one that makes you want to punch him less.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Which Youtube face should I click on?

Bottom one

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[bender]

The one that makes you want to punch him less.

So...none of them. You are correct.

Bottom one

 

[Rickyiez]

Which Youtube face should I click on?

Anandtech . Opps they are no more

 

[peish]

Which Youtube face should I click on?

just read computebase, pcgameshardware, igorlabs, hardwareluxx written reviews.

cant watch youtube reviews now, too much fluff and acting. i will wait for some chinese or european videos

 

[GHG]

This is an Intel style upgrade.

The performance uplift is largely in line with the power consumption, temperature and noise increases.

Disgusting that they are charging more than the predecessor for this.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Reviews just sold me to go for the 5090 instead of the 5080.

 

[TrebleShot]

just read computebase, pcgameshardware, igorlabs, hardwareluxx written reviews.

cant watch youtube reviews now, too much fluff and acting. i will wait for some chinese or european videos

What did they summise?

 

[CLW]

2000 US Dollars for 20 frame rates improvement. That's what this is. You're paying a 100 bucks for every single Frame per second.

 

[FingerBang]

This is an Intel style upgrade.

The performance uplift is largely in line with the power consumption, temperature and noise increases.

Disgusting that they are charging more than the predecessor for this.

It's not disgusting. They are keeping the same margins as before, seeing how much more expensive the card is.
The sad part is that there is no real advancement in IPC or efficiency, so the only way they could offer more power is by doing so.

Could they have reduced their margins? Of course. But why would they do so in the current market? Chips are scarce resources with alternative uses. It's either this or, you know, AMD.

 

[RCX]

How much of the performance gain is just coming from the ever-increasing power draw?

Frame gen really is the sticking plaster for the lack of genuine progress over the last few years. Moores Law really is dead.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Banger video , love his visual presentation on the charts and the smoke coming out from the GPU itself . You can feel that he gave so much effort in putting this together compared to lazy ass Nexus with their ugly ass graphs . Optimum's one is lacking on RT benchmarks though

Nexus' format for their charts make me bleed from my left ear when I'm deciphering them. I just watch HUB instead these days. I love Steve and his mistakes, bless him.

 

[proandrad]

Nexus' format for their charts make me bleed from my left ear when I'm deciphering them. I just watch HUB instead these days. I love Steve and his mistakes, bless him.

Laid out perfectly for the autistic eye.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Which Youtube face should I click on?

Not Linus.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Where is the black myth benchmark? Let's see it, NVIDIA fanboys. 4k, RT with no DLSS. let's see what your precious 2K dollar card can do, bitches.

Right, let's compare to PS5 pro's path tracing

Spoiler

 

[Draugoth]

The card is basically the RTX 4090 Ti with some improvements, same chipset.

 

[RoadHazard]

Why are those charts comparing DLSS 3 vs DLSS 4? Shouldn't you do a like-for-like comparison to get a proper performance diff?

 

[Physiognomonics]

You have 1:1 with price/performance increase. With Pro you are paying 75%/2x more (depending on place) for UP to 45% performance increase (average ~30%).

Pro is a shitty deal, 5090 is very mediocre deal.

Pro is way more than 30%. Some games have 60% better resolution. Some big games have only 30% more frames but that's likely caused by bandwidth / CPU bottleneck. But game with DRS often get 50% resolution improvements. On average we should get what Sony said: 45%.

 

[rodrigolfp]

On average we should get what Sony said: 45%.

In performance?? For "all" games??

 

[Buggy Loop]

The card is basically the RTX 4090 Ti with some improvements, same chipset.

4090 took a while to flex the architectural advantages

It was not evident until Cyberpunk 2077 overdrive

5090 is made for neural networks.

Alan wake 2 with RTX geometry should already give a glimpse. When path tracing switch to neural radiance cache, when they use neural shaders, mesh shaders, neural skin, neural this neural that, it won't show what's under the hood.

Is it time to upgrade? Probably not. Not enough games except Alan wake 2 with patch at day 0 is using any of the new tech.

Raster is a dead end. The whole rendering pipeline is changing, slowly but surely.

 

[thuGG_pl]

Wow, dissapoointing. When was the last time gen on gen improvement was so low?

 

[Mozart36]

Performance is good. Price (in my country) is not. And the coil whine mentioned in a lot of reviews scares me. I'm gonna wait. But good hunting for those who want one on release

 

[Buggy Loop]

Wow, dissapoointing. When was the last time gen on gen improvement was so low?

When was the last time a pipeline was reinvented?

Roughly 20~25 years ago

The advantages are not apparent immediately with old raster games, it will age well though

But as of now jumping on it? Naw

 

[kruis]

Wow, dissapoointing. When was the last time gen on gen improvement was so low?

The most surprising thing is that the improvements in raw frame rate (without frame generation) are so modest even though the 5090 has 30% more CUDA cores and 80% more memory bandwidth than the 4090.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

What a joke. I'm glad I got my 4090 when I did. Will be skipping the 50 series. Hopefully the 60 series or 70 series provide more meaningful gains with slightly less greed from Nvidia (lol, less greed is not happening)

 

[Fess]

$2000 to upgrade the 2017 TV and get a modern one with VRR and the sub 60fps on a 4080 Super is no issue

vs

$2000 to upgrade the graphics card so it stay above 60fps even at the 1% low so using the 2017 TV without VRR is no issue

 

[Physiognomonics]

In performance?? For "all" games??

Well on PS5 Pro we often can't change settings to test purely the GPU as most games are CPU limited. Some games that are not CPU limited in some modes (like MH Wilds in graphics mode) do get about 45% more frames. To test only the GPU, the games with DRS is a good test and here we usually get quite more, up to 70%. On PC you can easily use a high end CPU and test the GPU only. And here 30% is quite bad.

 

[Bojji]

Wow, dissapoointing. When was the last time gen on gen improvement was so low?

980 in 2014, 780ti was 93% of power:

1080 was fastest in 2016, 980ti is 73% of power:

2080ti 2018, 1080ti is 72%

3090 in 2020, 2080ti is 64% of power

5090 in 2025, 4090 is 74% of power

980ti and 1080ti launched much later so at launch day people were getting this ^

4090 to 3090ti was one of the biggest jumps in last decade for sure:

 

[twilo99]

Yes

 

[Bojji]

 

[StereoVsn]

Saw HUB and GN reviews. TLDR - this is like a 4090Ti. Improvements in raster in games between 20-30 percent.

DLSS and RT at 4K can get to a bit higher. FG is a different animal and need to watch more in depth image quality/latency reviews. HUB will have a dedicated one soon.

Man, 5080 is really going to be a stinker considering very small hardware bump from 4080.

I will probably try to get a 5090FE, fail and see if I can get 5070Ti down the road to upgrade from my 3080Ti.

 

[Tomi]

Buying day one

 

[Insane Metal]

Goddamn what a monster.