Rumor - Microsoft declined the Star Wars KOTOR remake deal

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akaFullmetal said:
Very surprised Microsoft let this go by. Funny seeing people already wrote this off due to not being on Xbox. It's going to be multiplat, not sure why people are pushing it to suck.
Will love to see how this turns out. Never got around to playing this.
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If this is a other Bayonetta type of situation I'm fine with the game being exclusive to a platform than it not existing at all. Although it would have been nicer if everyone had access to it at launch.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
The do go after the single player games if they are the first person though :messenger_tears_of_joy: Stalker, Atomic Heart for example. Or CP2077.

I wonder if Plague Tale is due to close relationship with Asobo rather than Microsoft pursuing it separately. Because if we look at the games - all the third person single player games are moneyhatted by Sony (or EGS sometimes). I cannot even find exceptions there. If the game looks big and third person - 90% chance that Sony has a marketing for that.

In general it seems like Microsoft does not do a lot of marketing deals. If they can't or don't want to (probably due to Game Pass), then they should buy and buy publishers until they hit the regulator wall.
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Hahahaha. True.

Agree with the Plague Tale assumption. It would be interesting to know if Microsoft would have went after Requiem if they didn't have a relationship with Asobo.

Agree with the last part.
ReBurn said:
It wasn't dumb. Not wanting to be responsible for remaking (and possibly destroying) an iconic 20 year old game feels like the safe bet considering the standard that has already been set. Especially considering it's a mediocre port developer doing the heavy lifting. If it's good I'll probably get it on PS5. But I'm bracing for them to screw it up.
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I can definitely see and understand this point of view but let's look at some other games - game pass day one games like Dark Alliance, Back 4 Blood, etc. or marketed games like Battlefield 2042 and Cyberpunk. Both didn't work out all that great.

Either way, at the very least, you go after the KOTOR Remake for the simple reason of not allowing Sony to get it as a timed console exclusive because with them, who knows if they extend that deal and for Xbox, it becomes more of an "if" situation instead of "when" they're getting the game. If the game hits, Sony could always extend the deal while Xbox gamers would continue to have to wait if they don't own or choose to play it on PS5.

Personally, I would prefer to see Microsoft go after some games just to ensure they release on Xbox day one (even if it's multi-platform) and be bad or disappointing as opposed to not going after them, they end up hitting and deals get extended to where you may never get it on Xbox. To me, the positives far outweigh the negatives.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
Considering the developers making it, this is a big surprise.

The Bioware veterans guys who worked on AAA RPGs such as Dragon Age, Mass Effect, KOTOR (og), and more.
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I thought it was a small mobile team or something? Nice if true. Im mostly worried about combat and cut content and cutting corners. I want some new stuff too
 
peter42O said:
Personally, I would prefer to see Microsoft go after some games just to ensure they release on Xbox day one (even if it's multi-platform) and be bad or disappointing as opposed to not going after them, they end up hitting and deals get extended to where you may never get it on Xbox. To me, the positives far outweigh the negatives.
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I think Microsoft just gave up on trying to "stick it" to Sony regarding deals or whatever. I mean they don't have exclusive marketing for anything, but already Sony published a video Destiny 2: Season of the Haunted on their channel and nothing from Xbox (despite the deal not closing yet).

Sony is a master of getting more with less, while Microsoft solution is just to ingore something for a long time and then pay a lot of fix the problems they accumulated in the meantime due to their negligence.
 
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Microsoft had just spent time and money bringing all these Star Wars titles to the Xbox One and Series S/X via backwards compatibility.
  • Star Wars Battlefront
  • Star Wars Battlefront II
  • Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith
  • Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
  • Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
  • Star Wars Jedi Starfighter
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
  • Star Wars Republic Commando
  • Star Wars Starfighter: Special Edition
  • Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Spending more money for a KOTOR remake would be redundant and a waste of money. Maybe Microsoft thought the same.
 
The way this is going, the plot twist in the end is gonna be that every single third-party PlayStation timed/exclusive deal in existence is because Microsoft passed on it.

Hilarious if true.
 
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SlimySnake said:
Weird. If the studio is shit then you invest in them to make sure they get all the resources they need to be successful.

I can understand passing on Marvel, but these are the kind of small deals MS shouldve made to fill in the gaps in their first party lineup. They are far cheaper than the billions they spent to get Starfield, and who knows, putting faith in smaller studios like this can pay off in a few years. Bluepoint wasnt always a tech giant. They started off small doing PS3 remasters. You have to develop relationships with these smaller studios.

MS had the right idea with Ninja Theory, Obsidian, and Playground Games. Investing in smaller studios that need first party help to become AAA. It's a shame they ditched that approach and went straight into acquiring publishers.
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They'll acquire smaller teams going forward, I don't see them making another big purchase for a good few years after Activision.
 
. . .this idea that the YouTuber is just out there splicing together rumors is dumb (especially when that rumor is buried within another more immediate story and nowhere in the headline of the video).

93xfan said:
Not only that, but a pretty easy rumor to come up with after them passing on Marvel.
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It is literally the YouTuber recounting a story he was told in the past as foundation for the news we've heard in the present about MS/XBOX passing on Marvel properties.
 
A Kotor Remake from a studio we aren't sure about... or buy all of Bethesda making them first party? I can't put my finger on what is the better decision here.

Will Smith Reaction GIF


On a serious note, Microsoft made a bet on the future. They own the Starfield, Fallout and Elder Scrolls IPs. That alone on top of getting Todd Howard & Bethesda Game Studios and all the other IP and studios under Xbox's first party banner is simply huge. I've always believed firmly Bethesda is worth every bit as much as Activision because of the types of games they make, and the massive draw of a Fallout and Elder Scrolls from Bethesda.

Starfield is going to benefit from that same association. And if the showing is especially good next month... watch out. But then to have Doom and id Software, Machine Games and Wolfenstein, Arkane and Dishonored with Redfall on the way and coming off a successful Deathloop, and everything else that's in that pipeline, including Indiana Jones and whatever else we don't know about.

And dropping every last one into Game Pass? I would say Microsoft's priorities are on point. How many times has Microsoft gotten burned by 3rd party deals? Mass Effect was a Microsoft funded first party title till EA up and bought Bioware right before the game's launch, taking it multi-plat. Sunset Overdrive? We all know what happened there. It was pretty much the Spider-Man engine foundation and blueprint. Scalebound? Yea, we all know how that turned out. Microsoft is better off when they use their money to secure long term assurances for Xbox through IP and studio ownership, not short term victories. Yes, you can play that game, too, but get your house in order first, and that's exactly what Microsoft has done for Xbox. Not one Xbox fan would trade Bethesda to the Playstation side for Kotor Remake timed exclusive, at least not one with an ounce of common sense!
 
I love the game and played it at least 3 times. Probably in my top 10. I have zero interest in this for some reason
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
I think Microsoft just gave up on trying to "stick it" to Sony regarding deals or whatever. I mean they don't have exclusive marketing for anything, but already Sony published a video Destiny 2: Season of the Haunted on their channel and nothing from Xbox (despite the deal not closing yet).

Sony is a master of getting more with less, while Microsoft solution is just to ingore something for a long time and then pay a lot of fix the problems they accumulated in the meantime due to their negligence.
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This I've got to hear, what are you referring exactly?
 
yazenov said:
Remember when Microsoft rejected GTA3 because they doubted Rockstar? Good times.

www.gamesradar.com

Xbox rejected GTA 3 because it didn't think Rockstar could make it

A board of Microsoft execs weren't sold
www.gamesradar.com www.gamesradar.com

adamsapple adamsapple I bet this person would praise MS's smart decisions if they was here during that time.

Difference between Sony and MS; Sony has the balls to take huge risks, not safe bets.
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Wow, good job finding a very well known 20 year old example.

You sure showed me :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Sub_Level said:
This thread tells me we're totally gonna have a playstation vs xbox fanboy war this gen, just like PS3 vs 360. But it got staggered by a couple years due to covid lol its like a delayed effect.

begun the clone war has GIF by Star Wars
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The current gen fanboy war has been raging since 2018, 2019....
 
akaFullmetal said:
Very surprised Microsoft let this go by. Funny seeing people already wrote this off due to not being on Xbox. It's going to be multiplat, not sure why people are pushing it to suck.
Will love to see how this turns out. Never got around to playing this.
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It IS on Xbox right now. Xbox has an outstanding backwards compatibility program that allows even the original disc to work with higher resolutions and faster load times on the XSX.

MS has shown they don't seem to have the same perspective with regards to exclusives of IP they don't own like Sony. I'm glad people who never played this will at least get an opportunity. If you have an Xbox give it a shot.
 
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DarkMage619 said:
It IS on Xbox right now. Xbox has an outstanding backwards compatibility program that allows even the original disc to work with higher resolutions and faster load times on the XSX.

MS has shown they don't seem to have the same perspective with regards to exclusives of IP they don't own like Sony. I'm glad people who never played this will at least get an opportunity. If you have an Xbox give it a shot.
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This news has really hit you hard. So much nonsense.
 
DarkMage619 said:
It IS on Xbox right now. Xbox has an outstanding backwards compatibility program that allows even the original disc to work with higher resolutions and faster load times on the XSX.

MS has shown they don't seem to have the same perspective with regards to exclusives of IP they don't own like Sony. I'm glad people who never played this will at least get an opportunity. If you have an Xbox give it a shot.
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Good lord
 
If anything I said was factually wrong feel free to point it out. Kotor has been on Xbox for years and you can still play it now. Why would Microsoft pay to get what they already have? Better ways to spend resources.
 
Aspyr worked on the ports for Jedi Knight on Switch and they weren't great at all in my opinion, shitty controls and no modern QoL changes kind of put me of wanting to play anything they release moving forward.

Knowing also that dialogue is being rewritten is a big red flag for me. I also remember reading that one of the (maybe more) writers are a bit fucking cuckoo and have an agenda to make everyone aware of. I'm not confident in this game at all and I think Microsoft are probably best distancing themselves from it.

If it ends up good, awesome. I'm happy to eat my words.
 
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DarkMage619 said:
It IS on Xbox right now. Xbox has an outstanding backwards compatibility program that allows even the original disc to work with higher resolutions and faster load times on the XSX.

MS has shown they don't seem to have the same perspective with regards to exclusives of IP they don't own like Sony. I'm glad people who never played this will at least get an opportunity. If you have an Xbox give it a shot.
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mckmas8808 said:
You think the two cost the same amount of money?
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Nope, but it's about priorities. Why fund a KOTOR timed exclusive when you can fund id software's next game? Every dollar counts when you're Phil trying to convince Microsoft's CEO to invest in Xbox. And to get that buy in from all leadership you pick your targets well. Why spend however many millions securing this timed exclusive would have been when you can keep them dollars for buying Bethesda or for buying Activision while investing in your first party? The job isn't done once they've acquired these companies. They now have to support and fund existing and new projects from their new studios and support whatever growth they need to undergo to complete them.

Would we prefer Xbox fund this Kotor timed exclusive deal over Obsidian making Avowed or a more ambitious The Outer Worlds 2? Over InXile making their new AAA FPS RPG and the studio growing significantly to support it? Would we take this Kotor timed deal over Fable by Playground? I sure as hell wouldn't sacrifice even Perfect Dark's revival for that Kotor Remake. To a degree we can have our cake and eat it too, sure, but at some point you have to balance that with supporting your internal studios.

Helping Bethesda with Starfield and then Elder Scrolls 6, doing what you can to allow that next game to come as quickly as it can, in as high a quality as possible. Helping Arkane with Redfall, helping id software with their upcoming projects, funding certain affinity to build an apparent monster hunter style new IP and make a battle royale for Halo. Have the Just Cause and Mad Max team make Contraband as an Xbox exclusive. Or the rumored IO Interactive Fantasy RPG exclusive. Allowing Ninja Theory to raise their ambitions to AAA levels for Hellblade 2. There's even that rumored Wu Tang title. I'm definitely curious about that. Microsoft has a lot of studios to think about now, a lot more than before. And they have to be wise with their spending. Just because they got a shit ton of money to throw around doesn't mean they don't have to be smart and strategic with it. For every 3rd party timed deal you do, you risk not funding an internal studio project at all, not funding it enough, or you risk running well over budget in order to give it the funding it deserves, something I'm sure Microsoft is willing to do, but you want to limit those instances.

A lot of Xbox fans behave as if Microsoft can just buy everything, but they never could. Sure, there's a crap ton of money hats in $68.7 billion spent on Activision and $7.5 billion spent on Bethesda, but they are still running a business where they want some certainty. They want to invest in the next Wolfenstein, and then be confident that another company isn't going behind their back and cutting the deal on the next Wolfenstein because of how successful the last one was. They've made big bets on those purchases, and they need to be quicker to support them to build new games before they go try to cut a multi-million dollar deal on a 3rd party title where they don't own the IP or the studio involved.

I've talked quite a bit about Microsoft's new studio acquisitions, but they had game studios before Bethesda and Activision (still in progress I know). What is Coalition making? Fund their next game before a KOTOR timed deal. Microsoft took some big bets. They bet on Stalker 2, but Russia attacking Ukraine happened, nixing that, though it does appear to be back on track, which is wonderful.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
How many times has Microsoft gotten burned by 3rd party deals? Mass Effect was a Microsoft funded first party title till EA up and bought Bioware right before the game's launch, taking it multi-plat. Sunset Overdrive? We all know what happened there. It was pretty much the Spider-Man engine foundation and blueprint. Scalebound? Yea, we all know how that turned out. Microsoft is better off when they use their money to secure long term assurances for Xbox through IP and studio ownership, not short term victories. Yes, you can play that game, too, but get your house in order first, and that's exactly what Microsoft has done for Xbox. Not one Xbox fan would trade Bethesda to the Playstation side for Kotor Remake timed exclusive, at least not one with an ounce of common sense!
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Got burned on Rise of the Tomb Raider also. And Scalebound. And back4blood devs got bought right after the game came out. Youre 100% right. Even the Ori devs were absolute retards after getting tons of exposure and free marketing.
 
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DarkMage619 said:
It IS on Xbox right now. Xbox has an outstanding backwards compatibility program that allows even the original disc to work with higher resolutions and faster load times on the XSX.

MS has shown they don't seem to have the same perspective with regards to exclusives of IP they don't own like Sony. I'm glad people who never played this will at least get an opportunity. If you have an Xbox give it a shot.
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been saying it, if true xbox is mismanaged. Sony Learned from Demon's Souls when walk and when to invest.
 
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akaFullmetal said:
Very surprised Microsoft let this go by. Funny seeing people already wrote this off due to not being on Xbox. It's going to be multiplat, not sure why people are pushing it to suck.
Will love to see how this turns out. Never got around to playing this.
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People aren't "pushing it to suck." Look at the dev and make your own conclusions. As far as I can tell, Aspyr has only worked on ports. This is a remake and it sounds like they are making a lot of changes. I am not optimistic, but not completely writing it off. If I had to bet I would say it isn't going to turn out well though. But we'll see. And that may have to do partly with how involved Sony gets in this project.
 
Punished Miku said:
Got burned on Rise of the Tomb Raider also. And Scalebound. And back4blood devs got bought right after the game came out. Youre 100% right. Even the Ori devs were absolute retards after getting tons of exposure and free marketing.
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There is a tendency from certain people to assume that every opportunity MS does not take is a mistake. I prefer to see MS focus resources on beefing up their first party studios over temporarily stopping an old game from being remade on PlayStation.
 
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Personally I would rather see MS pay for stuff like the KOTOR remake to appear on GamePass than see them put down the cash for MLB The Show for two years running or green lighting the speculated Gears collection.
 
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dcmk7 said:
Personally I would rather see MS pay for stuff like the KOTOR remake to appear on GamePass than see them pay money for MLB The Show for two years straight or the speculated Gears collection.
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The show means Jack and shit to me. And Jack left town.
 
It's one of those games where if you don't nail that remake you're going to taint the original and be hated for it big time. It could also hurt your chances with other star wars IP etc. I get why MS/Xbox were hesitant to back a mobile/port dev into a full blown game that likely would have been a Xbox and PC challenge for them too.
 
Punished Miku said:
The show means Jack and shit to me. And Jack left town.
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It probably doesn't mean much to some of us, but they're likely getting a lot of engagement out of it. They've had it as their twitter banner since it came out, despite a dozen or more games coming out on GP, or big games like Sniper Elite day 1 in a couple of days now.
 
DarkMage619 said:
There is a tendency from certain people to assume that every opportunity MS does not take is a mistake. I prefer to see MS focus resources on beefing up their first party studios over temporarily stopping an old game from being remade on PlayStation.
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"There is a tendency from certain people to assume that every opportunity MS does not take is a good thing."

That works just as well.
 
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