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[adamsapple]

Ok, a bit underwhelming that it's just that after all the hype.

 

[SlimySnake]

Microsoft fucked up straight up.

Eh. It's a miss. Hardly a fuck up. A fuck up would be if they were given a chance to take Final Fantasy 16 exclusivity and passed on it. This is just a remake which they SHOULD have gone for, but not going for it isnt a big deal.

 

[Moses85]

No VR, not interessted in publishing games the players want. THIS is the reason why Microsoft never will be number 1. They give a shit about gamers they only want to make their shareholders happy.

 

[Topher]

It's a remake, not a remaster. They even hired a lot of veterans who worked on the original, as well as other modern RPGs, etc..

That's what I don't get with folks being hung up on the dev being Aspyr. If they hire top notch people then what does it matter? People rationalized Microsoft buying Compulsion Games because MS could fund the studio and beef up its talent. So what is different here? Aspyr is getting funding to hire folks and remake one of the more iconic western RPGs ever made. Somehow it is destined for failure according to some and I guess all those "veterans" they hired are going to have no impact because the name on the door is "Aspyr".

 

[Punished Miku]

If I was MS the last thing I'd do is a repeat of Rise of the Tomb Raider, but with a studio that has never made a game. I dont understand the optimism in the studio or any assertion that timed exclusivity is the best way for MS to spend money. Neither claim is based on anything.

 

[nominedomine]

Knowing that MS passed on it makes me a little bit more confident that this remake might actually end up being good.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's a timed exclusive isn't it?

I know it's easy for me to say and given the association and love it has with Xbox fans, if I had been a decision maker I would of pushed for this way earlier and set it up with the plan to launch with or around the first year of Series X/S so it wasn't over reliant on one title for the first 12 months.

Not necessarily. They said it's a timed exclusive but never identified whether the timed exclusivity is for PC or for Xbox.

Some of the Aspyr and Sony tweets imply that the timed exclusivity is for PC, not for Xbox. So the game might launch exclusively on PS5 and will release on a PC after 6-12 months (just like FFVII Remake). Tweets in question:



And here is a tweet by Sony, implying the same that the might launch only on PS5.

 

[NickFire]

Knights of the o


My whole point is MS is way richer than Sony in every way. Something like that is what Microsoft needs. I'm guessing the 70 Billion deal for ACT/B has the company doing smaller deals as of late. Since negotiations started 2021. But it's this countless ball dropping with them unwilling to spend cash like they did for RDR2 DMC5. They spent a bunch for MLB the show. Starwars is huge, even if its 6 months on gamepass. After the game came out would be huge.

There's no way you could spin this in my eyes. They continuously have dropped the ball with Internal Studio management, yearly slate curation, and now meaningful deals that would have created huge buzz but large growth for gamepass.

Sorry, there is no excuse from a trillion dollar company let alone one who is fine spending 70 Billion for candy crush and call of duty.

I am not trying to spin this as a good thing for their subscribers at all. We are in complete agreement that this would have been a huge get for their subscribers. I just do not believe for one second that they would have passed on this over concerns about the dev, and I think the business implications for MS are a far more likely reason to allow Sony to scoop this one up. The notion that don't need a return on their investment just seems wishful thinking to me.

 

[Lognor]

Who the fuck is aspyr?

I hope Sony is HEAVILY involved. Lol

 

[Lognor]

Not necessarily. They said it's a timed exclusive but never identified whether the timed exclusivity is for PC or for Xbox.

Some of the Aspyr and Sony tweets imply that the timed exclusivity is for PC, not for Xbox. So the game might launch exclusively on PS5 and will release on a PC after 6-12 months (just like FFVII Remake). Tweets in question:



And here is a tweet by Sony, implying the same that the might launch only on PS5.

We know is usually very vague about describing exclusivity. The quote from aspyr sounds like it WILL come to xbox.

 

[A.Romero]

Who the fuck is aspyr?

I hope Sony is HEAVILY involved. Lol

They did the mobile port and a patch for KOTOR 2 on PC. It's on OP.

Too soon to know if they fucked up. However this does tells us that they are not indiscriminately green lighting everything just to pad Gamepass. There is some sort of decision making criteria involved that made them pass on Marvel and this (and probably many other games).

I think it could mean that Microsoft is focusing his investments in acquiring studios and developing games with their own studios. It would make sense since that's what we have been nagging them about for years.

 

[Punished Miku]

We know is usually very vague about describing exclusivity. The quote from aspyr sounds like it WILL come to xbox.

Who knows!?!? Timed exclusives are so fun and mysterious.

 

[Stuart360]

I find his hard to believe to be honest, as i doubt we would of been talking tens of millions for the deal. It would of been a perfect game for Gamepass.
Also intereting that all these companies are approaching Microsoft first over Sony, doesnt seem good business sense to me. But anyway lets keep taking Youtubers clickbait vids as fact.
Have fun trolls, 10 pages incoming.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Who the fuck is aspyr?

I hope Sony is HEAVILY involved. Lol

Maybe Bluepoint can help them out?

Seems like they have a good idea on how to do remakes.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe Bluepoint can help them out?

Seems like they have a good idea on how to do remakes.

My goodness, can you imagine KOTOR at the very minimum, looking as good as DeS remake.

 

[Papacheeks]

Well, sometimes I do feel like they don't have the contingency plans. I mean just look at the whole autumn lineup for Sony - either exclusives or marketing deals. If anything delayed - they will still have something that would feel exclusive one way or another


I disagree there. The main problem is that there is a shortage of consoles and Microsoft expanding into PC, consoles and cloud they will gain the market share without even games. Game Pass growth might take a hit, but I don't think it will be that big. So even if Sony has exclusives, what is the point if they don't have the consoles to sell? Xbox being sold even without games basically lol

You need games to fucking market your service?

Their PC split in gamepass is not impressive which is why they are rebranding and pushing it hard. People would rather just use steam. There isn't even close to as much of a shortage for XBox as there is with PLaystation.


Your last bit of them not needing games to grow is fucking reaching. The will physically make the investment in more data centers, the streaming stick/box thats coming for sure. But to actually grow in terms of usage, you need people to stream your games, and you need games people actually want to play to stream.

IP is the most important thing, if it wasn't Nintendo would have fucking died during PS2/PS3 era.

IP is everything, content is everything, not streaming of itself.

The circle jerks in here is really making my day, lol

 

[Kacho]

If I was MS the last thing I'd do is a repeat of Rise of the Tomb Raider, but with a studio that has never made a game. I dont understand the optimism in the studio or any assertion that timed exclusivity is the best way for MS to spend money. Neither claim is based on anything.

I haven't seen much optimism for the game outside of this thread. The RPG Codex thread when this got announced was brutal lol. An unproven studio + questionable writing talent does not inspire confidence.

Microsoft isn't hurting for RPGs this generation either so that might have played a factor in their decision here. Starfield, Fable, Avowed and whatever inXile is working on have them covered and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[sainraja]

This topic, without any substantial confirmation, will be 11 pages minimum. Count on it.

Imagine a hot topic, being discussed on a discussion forum having multiple pages....what a controversy!

 

[MasterCornholio]

My goodness, can you imagine KOTOR at the very minimum, looking as good as DeS remake.

I would be fine with a 1:1 remake that's on par with a Bluepoint one.

 

[Papacheeks]

I haven't seen much optimism for the game outside of this thread. The RPG Codex thread when this got announced was brutal lol. An unproven studio + questionable writing talent does not inspire confidence.

Microsoft isn't hurting for RPGs this generation either so that might have played a factor in their decision here. Starfield, Fable, Avowed and whatever inXile is working on have them covered and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

No they are hurting for content period.

You can't expect everything that comes out of Microsoft studios to come out as a banger. ALso time is not on their side. No one is worried about self contained development like Obsidian. They are super efficient. But the fact they are not signing deals for this year or at lest first half of this year is puzzling.

They literally put a ton of pressure on themselves this E3. If it's not the second coming and shows shit tons of quality gameplay and releases coming. It's not going to be fun in 2023 either.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sure, let's all pretend to believe this.

 

[Topher]

Imagine a hot topic, being discussed on a discussion forum having multiple pages....what a controversy!

https://www.neogaf.com/search/3215651/

 

[mejin]

Soon, every big partnership of Sony is cause MS rejected.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Yes. In fact, it was due to one man's moronic obsession with moneyhatting that cost every single PS5 owner Starfield.

Did he pull that outta his ass though? Wheres his evidence for that. Nobody gets to just say shit and its automatically true. I don't care how good their reputation may be. Show some evidence to back your claims.

 

[Lognor]

No they are hurting for content period.

You can't expect everything that comes out of Microsoft studios to come out as a banger. ALso time is not on their side. No one is worried about self contained development like Obsidian. They are super efficient. But the fact they are not signing deals for this year or at lest first half of this year is puzzling.

They literally put a ton of pressure on themselves this E3. If it's not the second coming and shows shit tons of quality gameplay and releases coming. It's not going to be fun in 2023 either.

They are hurting for content... this year. Won't deny that. But that was the story for Sony last year while Ms killed it (won publisher of the year). Ms needs consistency. I don't know why you would be worried for 2023. I am more optimistic. 2022 won't end up being a great year for ms but next year should be fantastic. Starfield to (hopefully) start the year and ms releases should be consistent throughout next year. Hopefully! I'll remain optimistic.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Sure, let's all pretend to believe this.

Only thing I'll say is that I find it odd the deal wasn't made with Xbox. Why is anyones guess but I doubt that Microsoft wasn't able to outbid Sony.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Soon, every big partnership of Sony is cause MS rejected.

 

[Leyasu]

Not necessarily. They said it's a timed exclusive but never identified whether the timed exclusivity is for PC or for Xbox.

Some of the Aspyr and Sony tweets imply that the timed exclusivity is for PC, not for Xbox. So the game might launch exclusively on PS5 and will release on a PC after 6-12 months (just like FFVII Remake). Tweets in question:



And here is a tweet by Sony, implying the same that the might launch only on PS5.

It says "console exclusive at launch, will also be coming to PC" Doesn't read like timed is referring to PC.

And that Sony tweet is like any other moneyhatted game. Some better clarification is needed. Same with the source for this thread

 

[Stuart360]

They are hurting for content... this year. Won't deny that. But that was the story for Sony last year while Ms killed it (won publisher of the year). Ms needs consistency. I don't know why you would be worried for 2023. I am more optimistic. 2022 won't end up being a great year for ms but next year should be fantastic. Starfield to (hopefully) start the year and ms releases should be consistent throughout next year. Hopefully! I'll remain optimistic.

Look trolls know the second half of this gen is going to be flooded with games from the 30+ studios. Let them have their trolling fun now while they can.
Its only going to bite them on their arse in the not too distant future.

 

[Papacheeks]

Only thing I'll say is that I find it odd the deal wasn't made with Xbox. Why is anyones guess but I doubt that Microsoft wasn't able to outbid Sony.

I would have to assume Sony's connections with Epic, and many support studios with high track records of Sony helping facilitate development during times of need had a lot to do with it.

Sony has a proven track record to even send their own engineers to help oversee something if problems arise, Microsoft sub contracts and doesn not seem to have as an intimate relationship on the ground level with developers they do deals with.

Hence Scalebound, crack down 3.

The melt downs in here is fucking the best part of my stressful day today, lol.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

IP is the most important thing, if it wasn't Nintendo would have fucking died during PS2/PS3 era.

IP is everything, content is everything, not streaming of itself.

That's why Microsoft is buying publishers. Not sure what are you arguing about there - marketing deals does not make you own IPs.
The point is that with the shortage of consoles people buy all the available consoles with or without games.

 

[adamsapple]

Did he pull that outta his ass though? Wheres his evidence for that. Nobody gets to just say shit and its automatically true. I don't care how good their reputation may be. Show some evidence to back your claims.

Just like the news in this topic ..

 

[Punished Miku]

Just like the news in this topic ..

Khan has a far better reputation than whoever the source is in this topic. It's not sourced, but he's probably #2 behind Schreir in breaking stories. All he put out was a tweet.

 

[jroc74]

Maybe Bluepoint can help them out?

Seems like they have a good idea on how to do remakes.

If its like other Sony backed projects, other Sony studios may help out, if needed.

Death Stranding comes to mind for the most recent.

 

[Papacheeks]

That's why Microsoft is buying publishers. Not sure what are you arguing about there - marketing deals does not make you own IPs.
The point is that with the shortage of consoles people buy all the available consoles with or without games.

Marketing deals keeps people engaged on your platform? Why do you think there's a content war not only in games but Streaming services?
It's like you dont pay attention to how business works? Why did Spotify pay Joe Rogan 100 Million? Because his podcast would enrich their service and keep people signed, and also bring more people to it?

Like how do you not have Netflix, Hbo Max, and not see this?
It's the same idea with exclusive content/Games. Why do you think Sony signed a deal for Final Fantasy, Hogwarts?

Hogwarts is going to sell millions and its going to help sell Playstations.
God you people are rediculous.

Literally there's another thread about a Horizon Bundle thats #1. I wonder why they bundled the game with the console?
Maybe because it makes it highly wanted, more attractive then a vanilla?

Like wtf are cheer leaders in here on about?
The only way someone is buying a console without software is if they already have software, are signed up to a service. Every time there's a console stock, 3-4 Sony games chart.

It's the same idea as signing exclusive games and content.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Only thing I'll say is that I find it odd the deal wasn't made with Xbox. Why is anyones guess but I doubt that Microsoft wasn't able to outbid Sony.

In gaming forums there's always this notion that it's about slapping a number on a check, and that's because the vast majority don't understand how games are made. In reality things like support, which includes anything from tech to mocap, and also marketing, play a really really big part. Not to mention install base….

But for people that don't understand, it's always about who has more money.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Look trolls know the second half of this gen is going to be flooded with games from the 30+ studios. Let them have their trolling fun now while they can.
Its only going to bite them on their arse in the not too distant future.

It's not like both companies won't end up with plenty of studios pumping out games. That's something you need to accept and we all benefit from this.

Group hug?

 

[adamsapple]

It's not like both companies won't end up with plenty of studios pumping out games. That's something you need to accept and we all benefit from this.

Group hug?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's not like both companies won't end up with plenty of studios pumping out games. That's something you need to accept and we all benefit from this.

Group hug?

 

[MasterCornholio]

I honestly don't expect either company to keel over and die on us. We will get plenty of great games to play from both.

 

[Flabagast]

Xbox did good, we don't need another pointless remake

 

[SlimySnake]

Did he pull that outta his ass though? Wheres his evidence for that. Nobody gets to just say shit and its automatically true. I don't care how good their reputation may be. Show some evidence to back your claims.

Where is the evidence in this thread?

Journalists are not obligated to share their sources with us.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I doubt it

It's a next-year title anyway so we'll see whether it's something they would have needed. Need more than Starfield and Redfall

Right now they should be focused on putting that war chest to use for the rest of this pathetic year

 

[DeepEnigma]

In gaming forums there's always this notion that it's about slapping a number on a check, and that's because the vast majority don't understand how games are made. In reality things like support, which includes anything from tech to mocap, and also marketing, play a really really big part. Not to mention install base….

But for people that don't understand, it's always about who has more money.

 

[Punished Miku]

Marketing deals keeps people engaged on your platform? Why do you think there's a content war not only in games but Streaming services?
It's like you dont pay attention to how business works? Why did Spotify pay Joe Rogan 100 Million? Because his podcast would enrich their service and keep people signed, and also bring more people to it?

Like how do you not have Netflix, Hbo Max, and not see this?
It's the same idea with exclusive content/Games. Why do you think Sony signed a deal for Final Fantasy, Hogwarts?

Hogwarts is going to sell millions and its going to help sell Playstations.
God you people are rediculous.

Literally there's another thread about a Horizon Bundle thats #1. I wonder why they bundled the game with the console?
Maybe because it makes it highly wanted, more attractive then a vanilla?

Like wtf are cheer leaders in here on about?
The only way someone is buying a console without software is if they already have software, are signed up to a service. Every time there's a console stock, 3-4 Sony games chart.

It's the same idea as signing exclusive games and content.

So if MS doesn't bankroll every game ever pitched to them it's a failure? Your ranting doesn't even make any real points dude. Everyone knows that MS needs content. That's why they buy a lot. What we're disagreeing about is whether they need this particular game. None of your ranting points are even about this game. You're just acting like everyone thinks MS needs zero games and I have no idea who you're trying to correct.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Marketing deals keeps people engaged on your platform? Why do you think there's a content war not only in games but Streaming services?
It's like you dont pay attention to how business works? Why did Spotify pay Joe Rogan 100 Million? Because his podcast would enrich their service and keep people signed, and also bring more people to it?

Like how do you not have Netflix, Hbo Max, and not see this?
It's the same idea with exclusive content/Games. Why do you think Sony signed a deal for Final Fantasy, Hogwarts?

Hogwarts is going to sell millions and its going to help sell Playstations.
God you people are rediculous.

Literally there's another thread about a Horizon Bundle thats #1. I wonder why they bundled the game with the console?
Maybe because it makes it highly wanted, more attractive then a vanilla?

Like wtf are cheer leaders in here on about?
The only way someone is buying a console without software is if they already have software, are signed up to a service. Every time there's a console stock, 3-4 Sony games chart.

It's the same idea as signing exclusive games and content.

Not sure what are you arguing about there. Microsoft acquires publisher to get exclusive IPs and Microsoft understands that IPs are important.
Marketing rights do not give to exclusive access to IP. They do promote the platform, but in the age of shortages - consoles are sold even without any marketing rights there.

Hogwarts will sell a lot, but the problem is that the game is not exclusive to Playstation and due to shortage Playstation will sell everything tht available and people will flock to Xbox too because they will want to play the game but only Xbox (specifically Series S) will be available.

Anyway not sure what are you triggered of. Exclusive IPs are important, the whole streaming wars are all about the exclusive content on the service. Spiderman is an exclusive game, Hogwarts is not.

Literally there's another thread about a Horizon Bundle thats #1. I wonder why they bundled the game with the console?
Maybe because it makes it highly wanted, more attractive then a vanilla?

More attractive than what? Playstation console would sell with or without bundle. Or you are implying that Playstation needs a bundle to sell a game?
Bundles is a good way to inflate the game sales numbers though.

 

[Kacho]

No they are hurting for content period.

You can't expect everything that comes out of Microsoft studios to come out as a banger. ALso time is not on their side. No one is worried about self contained development like Obsidian. They are super efficient. But the fact they are not signing deals for this year or at lest first half of this year is puzzling.

They literally put a ton of pressure on themselves this E3. If it's not the second coming and shows shit tons of quality gameplay and releases coming. It's not going to be fun in 2023 either.

You're taking this conversation to a different planet so I'll try to bring it back down to earth.

I don't expect everything they put out to be a "banger" but I have faith in studios like BGS, Obsidian and inXile since they have a history of delivering quality RPGs.

Asspyr on the other hand doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. They've never made an original game, let alone an RPG.

 

[adamsapple]

I doubt it

It's a next-year title anyway so we'll see whether it's something they would have needed. Need more than Starfield and Redfall

Right now they should be focused on putting that war chest to use for the rest of this pathetic year

June 12th baby.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Where is the evidence in this thread?

Journalists are not obligated to share their sources with us.

than we aint obligated to believe it either. i aint giving blind trust to anybody. thats how these trash journalists and games media have so much sway over your own thoughts and views. by feeding you narratives with no evidence.

 

[Leyasu]

Marketing deals keeps people engaged on your platform? Why do you think there's a content war not only in games but Streaming services?
It's like you dont pay attention to how business works? Why did Spotify pay Joe Rogan 100 Million? Because his podcast would enrich their service and keep people signed, and also bring more people to it?

Like how do you not have Netflix, Hbo Max, and not see this?
It's the same idea with exclusive content/Games. Why do you think Sony signed a deal for Final Fantasy, Hogwarts?

Hogwarts is going to sell millions and its going to help sell Playstations.
God you people are rediculous.

Literally there's another thread about a Horizon Bundle thats #1. I wonder why they bundled the game with the console?
Maybe because it makes it highly wanted, more attractive then a vanilla?

Like wtf are cheer leaders in here on about?
The only way someone is buying a console without software is if they already have software, are signed up to a service. Every time there's a console stock, 3-4 Sony games chart.

It's the same idea as signing exclusive games and content.

lol reading this gives me the impression of someone shadow boxing a room full of invisible assailants.

Take a deep breath and relax.