[Rumor] New PS5 model to have New 5nm APU and No Liquid Metal

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Makes sense if the node improves efficiency there will be no need for Liquid Metal cooling, cheaper to make and lighter

According to recent court documents, this new PlayStation 5 model will release later this year for the price of the Digital Edition.


CFI-1300 Series

• 5nm APU

• No Liquid Metal

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PlayStation 5 New Model to Sport 5nm APU, No Liquid Metal Cooling - Rumor

The rumored new PlayStation 5 model will sport a 5nm APU and no liquid metal cooling, according to rumors circulating online
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Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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There might be. If using tsmc, their main production currently is 5nm. Using an older process may cost more or have less in production.
 
Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.
 
Average power consumption of a slim would be 140ish watts based on 5nm efficiency gains over 7nm. Explains why they're likely ditching the liquid metal cooling.
 
T1000 not needed.

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Del_X said:
Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.
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I'm sure it's no disk drive at $400 and then the attachable drive will be $100.

Maybe the drive can be a little less than that, effectively lowering the price of the non-digital PS5, we'll see.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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If they shrank it too early in manufacturing ability, the cost would go up, like if they decided to make the new ps5's use 3nm. but that would be a total waste - home consoles only shrink once the price/reliability makes for significant cost savings.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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The cost per chip is based on the process maturity(the more mature the process the less chips with issues) and the chip size which determines how many chips you can get per wafer(the smaller the node size the more chips can be produced). Sony already disables some of the gpu side to reduce the number of unusable chips.

The 5nm process is very mature at this stage, probably 90+% of chips meet QA, so this should reduce the cost per chip in general for Sony
 
Imtjnotu said:
There might be. If using tsmc, their main production currently is 5nm. Using an older process may cost more or have less in production.
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Newer nodes still cost more, Since moore death with 7nm and onwards every Node Shrink will increase the cost per xtor.
 
I am happy with the 1215 I have. It's dead quite even in the hardest games like final fantasy 16. Can't hear shit even if I am dead close.

It will be interesting to see how much noiser a smaller ps5 fan will be.
 
XesqueVara said:
Newer nodes still cost more, Since moore death with 7nm and onwards every Node Shrink will increase the cost per xtor.
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But it's cheaper to buy the most common than an out of date node.

Tsmc's most readily used node is 5nm which is easiest for them to produce.

3nm is their current expensive node
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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Wafer costs go up but the number of chips per wafer increase too, so overall costs go down (potentially marginally). But the power consumption and thus heat dissipation reduces drastically, which reduces the cost of the cooling solution and thus the overall cost and complexity of the console. This impacts assembly costs and lower weight and smaller size lower shipping and handling and inventory costs too. So has a major overall downward impact on cost.
 
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Bernardougf said:
It never was.. thats why they dont sell much.. worst idea ever and they are going to ride this anchor of a console to the sunset
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Lol it sold more than Series X. Gaming enthusiasts really struggle to accept that the average gamer cares way more about games than technical specs.
 
EverydayBeast said:
Consoles always get trimmed down, there's no question Sony has a slim, or pro or both versions of the ps5 in the works.
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There's no question that will have that, but how the thing will be still is to be answered. A no liquid metal means a whole different set of hardware, so there's a chance that is a jump like PS1/PS2 to PSOne/PS2 Slim rather than PS4 to PS4 Slim. We hope for the bigger change, and less noise
 
Imtjnotu said:
But it's cheaper to buy the most common than an out of date node.

Tsmc's most readily used node is 5nm which is easiest for them to produce.

3nm is their current expensive node
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7nm isn't going anywhere for a long time, and even if 5nm is more common it don't means it's cheaper tho.
 
If true, this will make me consider "upgrading" to the new model. My model is close to 3 years old. I'm worried about liquid metal degredation.

Or should I be?
 
IntentionalPun said:
I mean that's already the comparison with the PS5 digital.

The best value in gaming.
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Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.
 
X-Wing said:
Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.
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I imagine that's shifting quite a bit since DE's are actually out there in the wild.

But yeah, Sony didn't produce as many for a while, likely because it was a loss leader. I imagine by now, it's not.
 
X-Wing said:
Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.
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Mainly because they don't produce as many of them as they do the standard model.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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The price per wafer is bigger, but there's more chips per wafer. There's also other agreements that can make the price go up or down, like if you're willing to pay for deffective dies or not. (It's a thing on consumer CPUs, defective dies can have the defective part disabled and be sold as a weaker chip, for example). Also, some nodes are cheaper just because they're the main mass product from a factory.
 
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Trogdor1123 said:
Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I'm wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long
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No... and yes.

The cost per wafer goes up with node shrink. But then you can get more chips from the same sized wafer so the overall cost per chip goes down. You are fucked though if using the same-sized chip on the new node.

So, Say PS5 @320mm2/chip nets you around 100 chips on a 7nm wafer @ $13,000/wafer. So thats $130/chip. PS5s on a 5nm node, would be like 200mm2/chip and you get like say 170 chips per wafer @ $17,000/wafer. Now your chip cost you $100 each.

It doesn't end there though, the cost savings spread out, you are now going to spend less on a PSU, cooling, casing, and even shipping.
 
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