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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development

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Welp, hopefully nx is backwards compatible with WiiU.
I doubt it.

1.) Wii U hasn't much software, good titles can be ported over
2.) Nintendo is going to find a way to include it into Virtual Console, if they want to


The cost isn't worth the benefit and digital Wii U games bring them more money anyway.


Edit: And I really hope it's not backwards compatible, fuck it.
 

Nightbird

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PS4 has sold nearly 4x WiiU WW, possibly more.

Outside of France & to a lesser extent Germany, where is it? Don't even talk about the UK as the WiiU is nowhere there.

On what planet isn't it 'too far behind' anywhere?

This thread needs one of those Obama 'Hope' pictures as its mascot.

Wow, you completely ignored the second part of the post where I said that it doesn't currently look like this. I am well aware of the current situation in the market.
 

Megatron

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So do all these ports likely indicate no backwardw compatability?

And I feel like mario kart 8's absences iw conspicuous. Thats one I wiuld have thought very likely.
 
Nintendo really doesn't care either way. If NX goes Wii U route they will just have another device before 2020.

If their next console goes the way of the Wii U they may back out of the home console business altogether and focus on new and compelling handheld devices and experiences. IMO.
 
Sony would need to reserve some of the resources for 4k. if a dev made a game using all of the extra resources with the assumption that it would be played on a 1080p tv then what happens when the person on a 4k tv plays it (as there wont be enough resources available).

There is the option to boost framerate on not 4k output but I don't think any devs are going to make two separate graphics profiles for their games (outside of sony studios).

The games will be identical no matter what TV you are playing on. As i said, upscaling cost is close to zero.
720p games have the exact same performance whether you are playing on a 720p or 1080p display.
 

georly

Member
This thread needs one of those Obama 'Hope' pictures as its mascot.

That's literally all we can do - we can hope nintendo does well again.

For me, it's selfish reasons - I want more zelda games. If nintendo is unsuccessful, it might mean less zelda games for me in the future. If they're successful, I might get more zelda games for longer. I *hope* nintendo does well, that's all I can do. Rumors like this give me hope.
 

Vinland

Banned
The funny thing about the NX splashing into the market is that it won't get much flack if any that Sony and Microsoft will get over incremental consoles. No one outside of the Wii U faithful even realize it's not a Wii lol. So Jane Q. Public is going to perceive it as a new console in nearly a decade.
 
I disagree, I think the 3DS is the last Nintendo handheld that will do well outside of Japan. Unless they produce something that is crazily innovative, which of course I cannot reasonably imagine.

This is my fear as well. You can get a $50 Amazon tablet and let you kid have unlimited totally free games, books, movies and TV shows all catered to kids for $3 a month Prime. That is an entire year of entertainment and a tablet for less than the price of two 3DS games. You can even get a tablet with a free year of Free time Unlimited and a 2 year no questions asked warranty for $99

As a parent I have a 3DS for myself, but can't imagine buying one for my kid.

How is Nintendo supposed to compete against that with $40 games?
 
So do all these ports likely indicate no backwardw compatability?

And I feel like mario kart 8's absences iw conspicuous. Thats one I wiuld have thought very likely.
I think so. As for MK8, it's one of those franchises that gets new installments often and usually early in a system's life so it makes less sense than Splatoon
 
Well let's take Pokémon shall we?

In the last 12 months, it has had multiple smartphone products get dropped because they don't make money

Pokémon Style
Pokémon Bilingual Scope
Pokédex for iOS

Two of these were less than a year old when they shut down.

Pokémon Shuffle Mobile has been out almost a year now, globally, and has only been downloaded 7 million times, and has never been a top grossing game.

This is Pokémon, the second best selling video game franchise of all time. It's still the biggest franchise in Japan (despite Yo-kai Watch's success). If those apps can't make bank, then it's most definitely not as easy as you make it out to be.

Maybe because there's a difference between slapping the Pokemon name on a rudimentary puzzle game (which nobody wants), and releasing an actual Pokemon game (which everybody wants).

I'm disappointed that you have made this argument, you've revealed quite a clear bias against the idea of Nintendo developing for mobile.
 

JoeM86

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Maybe because there's a difference between slapping the Pokemon name on a rudimentary puzzle game (which nobody wants), and releasing an actual Pokemon game (which everyone wants).

I'm disappointed that you have made this argument, you've revealed quite a clear bias against the idea of Nintendo developing for mobile.

You said Nintendo's intellectual property, I countered by citing precedent.

Main games are different to that. Most Nintendo properties wouldn't exactly fit mobile as it is, either due to control methods or pricing structure, or both.

That's why Nintendo & DeNA's mobile initiative is creating specialised experiences for mobile using Nintendo IP, not just porting existing ideas and gameplay over.
 

Raide

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A Splatoon remaster doesn't sound a logical thing, isn't a sequel far more feasible?

Probably quicker to have a port launch with the NX and then start to talk sequels. The game is not that old and suffered from a lack of content early on in its life-cycle, so a upgraded port + the latest content should be a nice launch addition.
 
Probably quicker to have a port launch with the NX and then start to talk sequels. The game is not that old and suffered from a lack of content early on in its life-cycle, so a upgraded port + the latest content should be a nice launch addition.
Yeah, I think a port wouldn't work unless they announce a new game around the same time.
 
I think the Wii U being a failure clearly would be a reason to shift strategies.

It should absolutely be a reason for them to shift. But will it? That's the big question. We know that they're going to be doing something gimmicky as a hook, but will that once again require an expensive controller like the Wii U? There are still a lot of questions because Nintendo isn't like Sony where they'll be straight forward with a console. The PS4 is about as straight forward as it gets.

Also keep in mind the PS4 wasn't a super-powered console even when it came out and had relatively modest specs. Nintendo beating that 3 years later shouldn't be a shock.

But the fact that you're even having to post that shows why people are skeptical. You won't need to do that for the PS5. It's expected that it's going to be quite a bit more powerful than anything else on the market at the time. That's Sony's history. Nintendo's most recent history doesn't give people the same confidence. So, people aren't fearful of a powerful Nintendo console. They want to see a modern Zelda that isn't held back by Nintendo's most recent history when it comes to tech. That obviously won't be realized with the first Zelda since it's going to have to run on the Wii U as well, but the one afterwards could do that. They want to see a modern Mario like that or a Monolith Soft game like that.

I expect there to be another hook or two to the NX console besides just being a Nintendo PS4+.

And this is where much of the skepticism will come in. People being worried that this is a console that is built around that hook which may again leave much to be desired in the way of what it's capable of technically. I think we could start to see people believing if sites like Digital Foundry start reporting that they've heard from developers that Nintendo listened to them this time around. Because it's clear that neither the Wii or Wii U were designed with anyone other than Nintendo in mind. To be honest, you could probably say that starting with the N64 as far as consoles go. That's how long it's been since it seemed like Nintendo made a console that it seems like third party developers would get behind.
 

Neoxon

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Probably quicker to have a port launch with the NX and then start to talk sequels. The game is not that old and suffered from a lack of content early on in its life-cycle, so a upgraded port + the latest content should be a nice launch addition.
But Splatoon bounced back from its relatively barebones launch quite nicely.
 
People in here acting like the NX is competing with strictly the PS4k. The NX is gonna compete with the PS4. The PS4k is going to be an ethusiest model of an already existing product and it's going to sell and be treated like one. Developers are still going to primarily develop for the vanilla PS4 because that is the one with the bigger user base. There will be many current PS4 user that will chose to not upgrade because they feel it simply isn't worth it, and I doubt that the PS4k will do much to persuade the people who weren't going to purchase a PS4 in the first place. Nintendo doesn't want to create an ethusiest product like Sony is with the PS4k. They want to create a console that can compete with the vanilla, more mainstream PS4.
 

benedictm

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I am the hardcore the WiiU faithful, I bought one at lunch and have about 30 physical and tonne of digital games, while it would be nice never in a million years would I expect them to do discounts on the ports

That's depressing that you would;t expect any discount.

Maybe that now the precedent has been set - some games like Call of Duty if you bought on 360.ps3 you could get the next ten version for £1o

As you say though i wouldn't expect it.
 
You said Nintendo's intellectual property, I countered by citing precedent.

Main games are different to that. Most Nintendo properties wouldn't exactly fit mobile as it is, either due to control methods or pricing structure, or both.

That's why Nintendo & DeNA's mobile initiative is creating specialised experiences for mobile using Nintendo IP, not just porting existing ideas and gameplay over.

No reasonable person believes that Nintendo can just release poor quality games and expect them to succeed through their brand, the argument didn't need to be made.

I also think plenty of key handheld Nintendo properties would work on mobile, most notably.

Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Brain Training

They can also create new IP's that suit mobile gaming.
 

JoeM86

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No reasonable person believes that Nintendo can just release poor quality games and expect them to succeed through their brand, the argument didn't need to be made.

I also think plenty of key handheld Nintendo properties would work on mobile, most notably.

Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Brain Training

They can also create new IP's that suit mobile gaming.

Or Nintendo could continue with their handheld stuff, as well as their mobile initiative, have them separate as they are doing so, and profit to the nth degree
 

Raide

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But Splatoon bounced back from its relatively barebones launch quite nicely.

Agreed but it would be a nice gateway to get Wii-U users to migrate to a new console. Splatoon is not the prettiest game, so an NX update would really help it shine.

At this point Nintendo have to do everything to convince people to jump into the NX since they are dropping the Wii-U well before its due date.
 

Frodo

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I can't believe people are complaining about the Wii U ports. Virtually no-one has a Wii U, and having more games like Splatoon and Mario Maker and etc are great to fill the gaps of the inevitable launch draught. It is not like Nintendo is porting games that sold a ridiculous amount on the previous generation like GTAV and The Last of Us. These games deserve to be played by more people and possibly enjoy a larger userbase to sell to. Not to mention that, in Splatoon's case specially, it helps to create a base for the sequel(s).
 

Vanillalite

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I'm extremely meh about it all. I'm interested in both versions of NX, but I'm definitely MORE interested in the handheld which seems to be taking second priority.

Also ports make me want to fall asleep. Only one that doesn't is Smash because of the chance of having all of the DLC included which I didn't buy so that would be new to me content.

I'm not gonna rebuy shit like Splatoon all over again.

I need new exciting titles to get me to buy in vs sit on the sidelines. I love Zelda, but a cross gen Zelda game that can I can play on my existing console isn't a big seller for me either.
 

benedictm

Banned
That's probably why the rumor of transferring online/services to NX is there. If you can't transfer your splatoon rank/progress or your mario maker stages, people will be upset.

As for those who already bought on Wii U? Ideally these will all be enhanced ports, not just in graphics, but in content also. New characters for smash, new features for Zelda. Not sure what to do about Mario maker/splatoon - especially if cross-play is a thing. Maybe if you bought the old ones digitally you get some sort of discount on the new one. Don't know what they can do for physical customers, though. It's a precarious balancing act - attracting new customers while pleasing your veteran customers. You can't please one without upsetting the other, usually.

Totally.

It seems (relatively) easy doesn't it? Do it a bit like Xbox One does it. If you own the games they are making enhanced ports for either its their own your account or just pop the disk in and it'll let you download the NX version for £10 or something

Maybe they even allow the WiiU gamepad to be compatible with the NX.
 

z0m3le

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No he couldn't have. Also (and many people really seem to not realize this), a company doesn't shift direction in a second, especially one as big as Nintendo. The NX is still an Iwata's Nintendo product, and even Kimishima himself said they wouldn't shift from his vision.

Yes he could have? Gamecube saw clock changes before launch, 3DS had an entirely different vendor in the end, Wii U also saw huge changes to its clock a year before release. Adding CUs before the GPU is finalized and fabricated, they didn't even get test samples til winter last year afaik.
 
Or Nintendo could continue with their handheld stuff, as well as their mobile initiative, have them separate as they are doing so, and profit to the nth degree

Well, we will see. Their next mobile title (which I suspect will be Fire Emblem), will give us a pretty good idea of which direction they are taking.
 

AGoodODST

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No reasonable person believes that Nintendo can just release poor quality games and expect them to succeed through their brand, the argument didn't need to be made.

I also think plenty of key handheld Nintendo properties would work on mobile, most notably.

Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Brain Training

They can also create new IP's that suit mobile gaming.

I think the point is, is there a market that is going to buy premium priced mobile titles? I think Nintendo feels the answer is "No", hence their current mobile plans.
 
Or Nintendo could continue with their handheld stuff, as well as their mobile initiative, have them separate as they are doing so, and profit to the nth degree
That's what they are doing.

The question was to pick one area with which we will be able to achieve Nintendo-like profits, but I would like to suggest two areas. One area is our NX business, and another is our business for smart devices. I believe that keeping these two endeavors on track will be key to achieving Nintendo-like profits. I don't have any further details to share about the next fiscal year at this time, but we will explain about our plan and when we will aim to achieve Nintendo-like profits at a future date.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/160203qa/index.html
 

georly

Member
Totally.

It seems (relatively) easy doesn't it? Do it a bit like Xbox One does it. If you own the games they are making enhanced ports for either its their own your account or just pop the disk in and it'll let you download the NX version for £10 or something

Maybe they even allow the WiiU gamepad to be compatible with the NX.

Considering they offered no discount on N3DS for people who already bought the SNES games on Wii U, it seems unlikely to happen, but it *is* possible. Again, all we can do is hope nintendo gets their stuff in order and sorts out all of the ongoing long-term complaints while also surprising and delighting existing nintendo fans. Always easier said than done.

Either way, I'm hopeful for nintendo, and I'm already sold. They own my favorite franchise, and I'll go down with them, if need be.
 

Plum

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So do all these ports likely indicate no backwardw compatability?

And I feel like mario kart 8's absences iw conspicuous. Thats one I wiuld have thought very likely.

Why have Mario Kart when you have Diddy Kong Racing 2?

Although for me a Nintendo Kart would be the best possible kart racer to have.
 

maxcriden

Member
Exaclty, im not buying the whole rumour. But lets assume this leak is real.

1)
3 of the 4 leaked wii u remasters are internally developed at NCL. Did NCL ever leak stuff besides Nikkei? I guess not. Who would know that they are having problems porting Mario Maker and Splatoon? Most likely just a few people at NOA or NOE. Theres no way these guys dont know about the NX, probably not every single detail but definitely the concept behind the NX. Why is there no information about this concept? What are the exclusive games? What about the controller or the handheld?

It sounds more like "Emily said 4 Wii U Remasters, Zelda and Smash are already known, lets add Mario Maker and Splatoon because this makes the most sense, according to LCGeek the NX is powerful, lets say its stronger than PS4, NDA´s are tight, yeah seems obvious, it supports our leak".

2)
Mario Maker and Splatoon imply there´s probably a Wii-U like gamepad. I know its possible that these games can be played with a standard controller but it would require a lot of work and lose accessibility and intuitiveness.

A Wii U 2.0 gamepad has the same weaknesses at their last console. It would be expensive, probably low power and have little benefit. I like my Wii U and the gamepad but there are just a few great uses of this gamepad. Most first party games completely ignore it. Nintendo failed to implement the gamepad as a new way to play. But why would they make a more refined Wii U again? Its by far their biggest failure. They should move as far as possible away from this concept IMO.

3)
No Information about the handheld. According to this rumour Nintendo is doubling down their weak console business and neglect their strong handheld part. They sold 13 Million Wii U´s and 60 Million 3DS but they are focusing on their next console?! It just doesnt make any sense business wise. This sounds more like a huge gamble than a solid business plan i would expect from a multi billion company.

I have my doubs and remain skeptical. (Sorry for the bad english)

Good post. I agree with most of your points.

1/ We barely got anything on NX since Iwata's first statement during the DeNA deal and the following shareholders briefing. And suddenly what is leaking? Ubi? Indies? Nooo, the only thing we never get leaks about (except recent Nintendo Direct), the holy Nintendo 1st party games. Fakers often goes straight to the sweetest things like a she-wolf on lemon cakes.

2-3/ Interesting points because that's a thing I'm trying to figure out. Between specs and Smash/Zelda NX, people don't discuss the controller anymore since the 3D printed hoax.
The gamepad was a failure, however, we and Nintendo shouldn't make a wrong statement about that. Two screens gameplay proved to be a good thing since the DS.

But how does the handheld come into that picture? Maybe two screens gameplay will only be allowed through the handheld, leaving the default NX home SKU with a more "traditional", and cheaper controller.

That would make the second screen truly optional, as we have seen with the Wii U 3rd parties had hard time dealing with it even for the most basic things.
One last thing, think about the "new concept" if the library is in some extent *shared* and NX home able to stream games on the handheld. Or vice-versa? Who knows.

Great points in both of these posts. BTW, Akki, your English is very good, no need to apologize for it. :)

Just a couple things.

One, I've heard it bandied about that if they have shoulder wheels they could build a good interface for SMM without a touchscreen. However, I think a touchscreen is going to be tops for that. I do think a touchscreen whatever shape it takes may be likely to have a place in the primary controller for the NX. I don't think they'll release a SMM port that requires an optional expensive controller. Basically, and this part is kind of in reply to Jackano, if the screen controller, be it secondary optional and/or optional handheld usage as a controller, is not packed in, I am skeptical they'd bother with SMM for the system unless they have an innovative and intuitive control screen that doesn't require one. I'm struggling to imagine that for grid-based level design, though.

Second, just FWIW, Akki, while I agree with you that the etiology of the rumors is questionable, Emily Rogers did tweet that those are the four Wii U ports she'd heard about. I don't have the tweet handy but I believe she said the Splatoon/SMM ones were more up in the air.

Jackano, I completely agree that the extent to which the library is shared for cross-buy and/or streaming from one device to another is potentially going to be a crucial piece of this puzzle.

Akki, as to doubling down on a console vs. a handheld, I do believe it's possible a HH will release this year in JP and a console in the West (I want to say Nintendo has hinted at such a possibility but I don't have the comment handy), or that we get a HH at the same time as the console or perhaps next Spring with the console this year. They may believe this year's 3DS games including Pokémon will be enough to hold off on the HH a bit longer. They may want to attempt to give their console business a huge shot in the arm this year, and to triage 3DS in the meantime as a system to replace soon after. As to doubling down on the screen idea, I agree a refined Wii U is a potentially concerning idea, so hopefully if they include a screen they've got a way to do it in a way that's cheaper and/or much more appealing to consumers.
 

LordRaptor

Member
Well, we will see. Their next mobile title (which I suspect will be Fire Emblem), will give us a pretty good idea of which direction they are taking.

There is almost zero chance the next Nintendo mobile title is going to be Fire Emblem, lol.
Titles like Brain Training, Nintendogs, Rhythm Heaven, et al are the titles that would find success on mobile. Not super niche high learning curve SRPGs.
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
The funny thing about the NX splashing into the market is that it won't get much flack if any that Sony and Microsoft will get over incremental consoles. No one outside of the Wii U faithful even realize it's not a Wii lol. So Jane Q. Public is going to perceive it as a new console in nearly a decade.

This is a good point.

I dont see Nintendo making the same marketing mistakes they did with the Wii U.

Unless....the controller looks so much like a handheld ppl think its a new handheld.
 

Vanillalite

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There is almost zero chance the next Nintendo mobile title is going to be Fire Emblem, lol.
Titles like Brain Training, Nintendogs, Rhythm Heaven, et al are the titles that would find success on mobile. Not super niche high learning curve SRPGs.

Actually Fire Emblem would work super well as a Gatcha RPG which is SUPER POPULAR in the mobile landscape.*

*Not to say I like Gatcha games. :p
 
This is my fear as well. You can get a $50 Amazon tablet and let you kid have unlimited totally free games, books, movies and TV shows all catered to kids for $3 a month Prime. That is an entire year of entertainment and a tablet for less than the price of two 3DS games. You can even get a tablet with a free year of Free time Unlimited and a 2 year no questions asked warranty for $99

As a parent I have a 3DS for myself, but can't imagine buying one for my kid.

How is Nintendo supposed to compete against that with $40 games?

Unfortunately for Nintendo, this applies to the console as well.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
There is almost zero chance the next Nintendo mobile title is going to be Fire Emblem, lol.
Titles like Brain Training, Nintendogs, Rhythm Heaven, et al are the titles that would find success on mobile. Not super niche high learning curve SRPGs.

Super niche? Some of the most popular mobile games are war based strategy games.

If anything I'm not seeing "brain" or "rhythms" games doing anything on mobile.
 

MK_768

Member
It's ridiculous.

"Yeah but PS4K LOL Nintendo."

You would think out of all the damn forums online, GAF wouldn't give a fuck about console allegiance and just enjoy playing good games.

Guess some people never grow out of that shit.

.

Lol. C'mon man. You shoulda known by now that GAF is all about that console wars stuff.

The drivel is annoying but certain people can't help it. They lack the intelligence. Can't be mad at them ;)
 

georly

Member
With NX supposedly being/having a unified OS that is designed to support multiple consoles (console/portable), in a manner similar to iOS (which supports multiple iphones, ipods, and ipads), do you think it's possible nintendo not only adopts the incremental upgrade scenario, but planned for it all along?

Either upgrading the handheld/console every few years, or allowing some other mechanism (external box, power of the cloud, etc), to allow console/handheld upgrades? They've already tested the waters with NN3DS. What if one upgrade gives better performance while the next upgrade is on part with a brand new console, allowing exclusive games while still being mostly backward compatible with old games?

You can skip out on the 'minor' upgrades if you want (or wait for the minor upgrade) but are heavily encouraged to pick up the 'major' upgrade as it's almost like a new console.

Obviously too early to think about since we know nothing about the system - but it's possible nintendo is planning something like this in a more robust way than sony/MS did.

Is there any way to make splatoon work with just one screen (a tv)?

Other than map, what would you need a second screen for? I know tapping on the map to launch after a respawn is a thing, but that can just pop up on the TV.
 
Unfortunately for Nintendo, this applies to the console as well.

That's unfortunate for everyone

With NX supposedly being/having a unified OS that is designed to support multiple consoles (console/portable), in a manner similar to iOS (which supports multiple iphones, ipods, and ipads), do you think it's possible nintendo not only adopts the incremental upgrade scenario, but planned for it all along?

Either upgrading the handheld/console every few years, or allowing some other mechanism (external box, power of the cloud, etc), to allow console/handheld upgrades? They've already tested the waters with NN3DS. What if one upgrade gives better performance while the next upgrade is on part with a brand new console, allowing exclusive games while still being mostly backward compatible with old games?

You can skip out on the 'minor' upgrades if you want (or wait for the minor upgrade) but are heavily encouraged to pick up the 'major' upgrade as it's almost like a new console.

Obviously too early to think about since we know nothing about the system - but it's possible nintendo is planning something like this in a more robust way than sony/MS did.



Other than map, what would you need a second screen for? I know tapping on the map to launch after a respawn is a thing, but that can just pop up on the TV.

Everyone planned for it all along, that much is clear. Nintendo is just doing it with multiple form factors rather than 1
 

MK_768

Member
Considering they offered no discount on N3DS for people who already bought the SNES games on Wii U, it seems unlikely to happen, but it *is* possible. Again, all we can do is hope nintendo gets their stuff in order and sorts out all of the ongoing long-term complaints while also surprising and delighting existing nintendo fans. Always easier said than done.

Either way, I'm hopeful for nintendo, and I'm already sold. They own my favorite franchise, and I'll go down with them, if need be.

Yeah but that's cause the N3DS was all about taking your money. It's like the DSi...maybe worse in that regard.
 
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