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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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AceBandage
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apana said:
Any highlights of stupid? I refuse to give them hits.
redbarchetta
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AceBandage said:
Resistive is okay for button taps, but is abysmal for anything else, such as dragging. Just try scrolling around in your friend list with a finger; it does not work smoothly and you have to apply far too much pressure, which limits your movement. And forget multi-touch (although the technology exists, it's still hindered by the same drawbacks and would be especially frustrating with two fingers.
polyh3dron
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I will lol fucking hard if this console has 512MB RAM.
Doing this will only give Apple more idea on how to implement gaming with their HDTV-out with their iPad and iPhone.
They already started doing it with the iPad 2. It's super easy to connect and display media on the large TV screen while controlling stuffs on the iPad's touch screen.
They already started doing it with the iPad 2. It's super easy to connect and display media on the large TV screen while controlling stuffs on the iPad's touch screen.
The thing I'm most skeptical about regarding these rumors is the Fall 2012 release. If they show anything at E3, it's gonna be for Fall 2011. That's too far off for Nintendo (or any company) to publicly show their hand to their competitors. If they show off something innovative that's so far away, they'd be in danger of Microsoft/Sony stealing and even beating them to the punch with it. Plus, why knock the already slowing momentum of the Wii for basically no reason?
Plus, looking at Nintendo's Wii schedule... Other than Zelda, it's pretty slow as it is. It's drying up too fast for them to wait until Fall 2012. Any decent Wii level game is already probably being scaled back to 3DS (Kid Icarus / Zelda Remake / etc) and we just don't realize it.
Plus, looking at Nintendo's Wii schedule... Other than Zelda, it's pretty slow as it is. It's drying up too fast for them to wait until Fall 2012. Any decent Wii level game is already probably being scaled back to 3DS (Kid Icarus / Zelda Remake / etc) and we just don't realize it.
Black-Wind
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Man, this shit is all over the place @_@
Some one says "Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360", someone else says "slightly more powerful than the 360" ... yet most all of them are saying "HD Touch Screen in the control" ... how the fuck are things swinging around like this?
Some one says "Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360", someone else says "slightly more powerful than the 360" ... yet most all of them are saying "HD Touch Screen in the control" ... how the fuck are things swinging around like this?
redbarchetta
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Heavy said:
Totally--that's a fair description =)
Dedication Through Light
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Skiesofwonder said:
Thanks for the summary, its so hard trying to keep all these facts in line.
Kai Dracon
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Heavy said:
I am familiar with the shiny technology of tomorrow. Looks great. It's also demonstration that runs in scripted cut scene and hand animated space - hello, Killzone 2 teaser video, how I've missed you.
Diminishing returns is not a goal post we "reach". That's kind of the idea. It's an infinite sliding scale, that gets infinitely smaller as time goes on.
My point, is that there is proportionally a magnitude less obvious deficit between a PS360 level kit and the next two years state of the art hardware, than there is between a Gamecube and a PS3. Especially since we're not going to be viewing the next 2 years of technology on anything but the same display technology we've been using for PS360, if you're talking consoles. 1080p is it.
It doesn't mean that Nextbox and PS4's better games won't display obvious bells and whistles that are beyond a WiiHD Turbo. They clearly would. I honestly do not think though, it would be the same shocking and ugly difference between a Wii title and a PS360 title, on an HD display. We've progressed beyond that point now.
We *know* what PS360 level graphics look like compared to shiny hand scripted demos of the next tech and Battlefield 3's also tightly scripted single player extravaganza, etc. It's not hard to forecast what this sort of supposed Nintendo console would look like next to MS and Sony's next consoles.
For some tech heads, who are already "bored" of Gear of War 3, Uncharted 2 and 3, Killzone 3, and The Last Guardian, well, more power to you. Can't help you there. But nobody is going to convince me that when put against next years' technology, Nintendo stuff on PS360 level is going to look like freakin' Red Steel 1 480i-against-Battlefield 3 PC On Very High In HD Resolution.
Krowley said:
But Microsoft and Sony have shown they are willing to take a loss.
I still contend, if your going to come out a year plus later than your competitor, you need to have something to bring to the table. If its not graphics it needs to be something revolutionary like wii did.
PS3 is the prime example of coming to the market late but not doing anything to differentiate yourself. Gamecube is an example of coming late but not bringing anything new.
PS2 is a prime example of coming to the market late, but having a significant power boost over your competitor to differentiate yourself from the competition. Same can be said for N64 and wii. Both came late but offered something noticeable to differentiate themselves and be successful.
Sony or Microsoft probably know they need to do this by now. It might be an enhanced gimmick but more than likely it will at least in part be noticeably better graphics.
WrenchNinja
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So what do people think individual controllers will cost?
AceBandage
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Glass Joe said:
There is no way in hell it's coming out this year. Especially not fall. Nintendo isn't in danger of crap from Sony and MS. They can't just put everything full stop and whip up a console to release.
Barack Lesnar
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Didn't Epic say they could optimize it for one 580? Let's say they exaggerated and could make it 2x 580s but not 1. Now fast forward to 2 years from now... I think a GPU of that caliber (or better) would definitely be reasonable in PS4/720. Two years is a long time in GPU tech.AceBandage said:
_Alkaline_
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Anticitizen One said:
Classy.
antonz said:
Well there's other speculation saying AMD is supplying the CPU which contradicts this entirely.
It's very likely a PowerPC CPU is in the guts of this machine for Wii/GC BC, but it could be used for something like streaming content to the controller for all we know.
If you scan the pages, it is interesting to see how picks up on which fact though.
mysteriousmage09
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$100 my guessCrewnh said:
AceBandage
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Heavy said:
When has a console EVER used a top of the line, just released GPU?
It's not happening. That would not be cost effective, even with them taking a loss on each system.
It is unrealistic.
The Abominable Snowman
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IMO, the screen/controller seems more and more like it is a plug-in or connects to the existing wiimote (according to other leaked infos)
Now whether it plugs directly in the bottom a la uDraw Studio or otherwise, I dont know. Whether its existing wiimotes or smaller/redesigned ones, I dont know.
Im betting on a thinner Wiimote with rechargeable batteries that connect with a screened controller similar to the Classic Controller
Now whether it plugs directly in the bottom a la uDraw Studio or otherwise, I dont know. Whether its existing wiimotes or smaller/redesigned ones, I dont know.
Im betting on a thinner Wiimote with rechargeable batteries that connect with a screened controller similar to the Classic Controller
Souldriver said:
I agree but at the same we are so early and far away from the reality of this next gen that right now you can't accurately predict anything. Just look at the history. Did anyone see PS1 destroying Nintendo in terms of market share? Did anyone think the Wii would outsell both the 360 and PS3 with the same gen console plus motion control?
At this point the reality is this. The motion controls are here to stay. Nintendo introduced it and hasn't perfected it so now is the time. This new system has to show developers how and why its useful.
The other reality is that since Nintendo is coming out first this next gen, no matter what it does in terms of "power" it will be leap frogged by the next Sony and MS consoles. How much is the issue. And how much of a leap it will be is the issue. If the leap the next Sony console takes is the same leap the PS3 took from the PS2, it will be significant. If PS4 is going to be PS3 2.0 and Wii 2 is going to be PS3 1.5, I doubt we see much of a difference. Then it comes down to the games and this magical mysterious controller.
Nintendo has expanded the videogame market to the casuals. They can't just ignore them. They can though, if done correctly, keep the casual market with a new innovation that keeps them interested while also bringing back the hardcore gamers by catching up to the tech and offering the overall traditional gaming experience.
But yeah it does suck that from these early spec rumors, Nintendo is not going to balls to the wall. I do understand because it has a business to run and has to consider pricing, losses, and countless other things we as gamers might not even consider.
mysteriousmage09
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Got to remember that with Blu-Ray, HDMI, WiFi, HDDs, and all that other shit being out of the way and cost nothing to make now, all focus can be brought to CPU, GPU, and RAM.AceBandage said:
AceBandage
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mysteriousmage09 said:
Except that we're talking about the GPU alone costing nearly $300!
I'm sorry, but I didn't buy one $600 console, and I won't start now just because Epic releases a new engine that's insane.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I'm not really looking froward to 10 more days of this.....
devildog820
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Why PowerPC? If they used an intel or amd CPU, they get a lot of developer support for cheap.
AceBandage
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Jonm1010 said:
No no and wait... No.
They were all pathetic compared the power that PCs at the time were putting out.
DonMigs85
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The GPU days were still pretty young at the time, but the original Xbox's GPU was extremely cutting-edge at launch. It just had a bit less memory space and bandwidth to work with compared to its PC counterpart.Heavy said:
PS3's RSX however was a year out of date AND cut down from the 7800GTX in some areas to boot (ROPs and memory bus).
mysteriousmage09
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The GPU cost will drop dramatically by the time Sony and MS release their new consoles. We're talking a year and a half from now minimum.AceBandage said:
BladeoftheImmortal
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Anticitizen One said:
Nintendo did it for the Wii.
phosphor112
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I'm not buying it unless it's up to par with the rest of the industry. I don't want to throw down 300+ for old tech. Nintendo is just becoming less and less appealing to me with every device they make. Sure the Wii is fun, but you know why I love my PS3 more? It does 100 more things than the Wii. I can even watch DVDs on my PS3!! GASP... sorry... rage moment right there... I just... think I've outgrown Nintendo.polyh3dron said:
AceBandage said:
Who knows what's been happening behind the scenes and for how long though? I could picture Nintendo telling trusted 3rd parties tech specs so they could get games started, and giving vague outlines of innovations a little later. They could have done that some time ago, hence the leaks.
Unless this E3 is just them showing some video clips and announcing a code name to generate buzz, I could see that. But they're not gonna reveal the controller a year and a half out, I don't think. I could be wrong. But I think the 3DS only had 1 E3 before launch, as did the Wiimote. Fall 2012 would be 2 E3's.
hosannainexcelsis
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george_us said:
Just because the technology is available doesn't mean you need to or should push it to the max. If studios are locked into the big budget AAA mentality, they only have themselves to blame.
AceBandage
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mysteriousmage09 said:
Except that we're also talking about a theoretical engine that isn't even running on TWO 580s, let along one!
So, either Epic will completely neuter UE3 (likely) or Sony and MS will release something that's so insanely expensive that they'd be labeled insane.
In the former, the N6 is just a smidgen behind the PS4/720.
In the latter, it doesn't matter since no one will buy them.
snackman said:
wat
This post doesn't make a lick of sense, son.
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