Starchasing
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Vinci said:
I dont expect nintendo to launch something that is not fresh and has been done before...
but i do expect them to refine what they have done before and didnt meet their expectactions
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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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I dont expect nintendo to launch something that is not fresh and has been done before...
but i do expect them to refine what they have done before and didnt meet their expectactions
MisterHero
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I'm chalking it up as being one of the possible errors in this info/rumor festLupin the Wolf said:
The_Darkest_Red said:
Yeah, the waiting to see which (if any) of these rumours turn out to be fact is the hard bit
I just think it's hard to make use of a tablet in any compelling way if it wasn't there for the digestion of multiple content. It's too much of an expense to use as just a console interface, and with very limited applications. All the applications of it are better done as a self-contained item, that the focus of what you are interacting with is also what you are looking at. Low barrier of entry for a controller is also crucial to enabling more than one person to get that experience. If this new experience is compelling, they'd want everyone to enjoy it.
But ignoring the expense of being able to do it, 4 people sat around looking between tablets and a television is a damn site less compelling than 4 people jumping around with remotes to Wii Sports infront of the television. Nintendo aren't going to abandon what makes console gaming work, and what they did so well with the Wii.
Whatever new idea they have, it is far more likely to build on their strengths rather than throw a lot of the strengths out the window. Also one of the main things they will want to fix with the Wii is its narrow content, another reason to put the emphasis on the power of the console rather than that divert resources to a very expensive and fragile way of interacting with it.
The_Darkest_Red
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We've heard numerous times that this console will feature a "big surprise."Starchasing said:
Starchasing said:
You're assuming that its functionality will be similar to other tablets. Until we know what it will be used for, it's impossible to state its exact function or how 'fresh' it is or not. But the notion that they're going to hook up a 6" screen to each and every controller is absolute nonsense compared to Pocks' suggestion. It makes infinitely more sense even if its exact purpose is unknown at the moment.
From The Dust
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Lupin the Wolf said:
if it's a tease, then it doesn't have to be standard.
megashock5
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HenryGale said:
But you're eyes and fingers are on the same screen. When you look at a separate screen (television), your fingers need to rely on feel. They need to be able to rest on the physical buttons and push down, not hover over a touch pad and tap.
It's one thing for interacting directly with a screen, it's an entirely different scenario on an input device for a separate screen.
What if the surface of the wiimote was one big touch screen and it had buttons underneath the screen, which would protrude like bulges on the screen? So you'd still have buttons, you couldn't accidentally press them by touching the screen, you wouldn't have to look at the screen to know where the buttons are.
agrajag said:
Wouldn't it be easier to just have buttons on one side of the Wiimote and the touch screen on the other side (ie. you flip it over to use it)? Maybe the thing could even tell when it was facing one way or another, thus pausing the game when you switched to a touch screen or some other functionality.
I mean, if we're going to discuss it being in the controller.
The_Darkest_Red
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So you're not buying the 6" screen rumor, then?DECK'ARD said:Yeah, the waiting to see which (if any) of these rumours turn out to be fact is the hard bit
I just think it's hard to make use of a tablet in any compelling way if it wasn't there for the digestion of multiple content. It's too much of an expense to use as just a console interface, and with very limited applications. All the applications of it are better done as a self-contained item, that the focus of what you are interacting with is also what you are looking at. Low barrier of entry for a controller is also crucial to enabling more than one person to get that experience. If this new experience is compelling, they'd want everyone to enjoy it.
But ignoring the expense of being able to do it, 4 people sat around looking between tablets and a television is a damn site less compelling than 4 people jumping around with remotes to Wii Sports infront of the television. Nintendo aren't going to abandon what makes console gaming work, and what they did so well with the Wii.
Whatever new idea they have, it is far more likely to build on their strengths rather than throw a lot of the strengths out the window. Also one of the main things they will want to fix with the Wii is its narrow content, another reason to put the emphasis on the power of the console rather than that divert resources to a very expensive and fragile way of interacting with it.
I see what you're saying about the problems that would occur with multiplayer and only having one tablet, but I see the device as more of a single-user focused device anyway. I envisioned using it to handle online functions (viewing friends list, messaging friends), inventory management, store browsing and purchasing, system control, and other similar features. I really don't think the screen would be that limited though, since its uses would be dictated by the software that developers come up with. To me it seems like the console equivalent of the bottom DS screen.
It's going to be awesome when Nintendo comes out and shows off some console that has nothing to do with a secondary screen at all. Oh well, this is fun enough for the time being.
Starchasing
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Vinci said:
But as i said earlier.. it doesnt make sense if you put all the rumours together.... but if you take the 6 inches out it makes a lot of sense specially when Nintendo has already done games that have screen in their controllers.
Also it has a clear functionality in local multiplayer games... to keep secrets like what item you have in Mario Kart
Starchasing said:
Yes, if you nix the rumors of the 6" screen entirely, it would certainly change the scenario. But then, what do we have to go on at that point? Rumored specs, which are all over the place? The only consistent thing we've heard about the system is that it has a 6" screen involved in its controls in some fashion.
I'm not denying that, but including a screen into each and every controller is going to be enormously expensive.
The_Darkest_Red
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But if you want to throw out the 6" screen rumor then why not just throw out the screen rumor entirely? The two are based on the same sources.Starchasing said:
Fourth Storm
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If only I had one ounce of artisitic talent:
Features:
-Unique circular touch screen like you're looking through a portal
-Standard amount of buttons organized in non-confusing way
-turn tablet on side for simplified controls
-Wii Speak built in
-Video conferencing capable
Features:
-Unique circular touch screen like you're looking through a portal
-Standard amount of buttons organized in non-confusing way
-turn tablet on side for simplified controls
-Wii Speak built in
-Video conferencing capable
From The Dust
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M74 said:
can you still feel the buttons? it's one thing to have them potrude (even if they are on the opposing side) and to have dedicated screen space for the buttons but none of them actually potrude
Fernando Rocker
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I wonder if Nintendo and company are reading these comments and laughing at us.
Fourth Storm said:If only I had one ounce of artisitic talent:
Features:
-Unique circular touch screen like you're looking through a portal
-Standard amount of buttons organized in non-confusing way
-turn tablet on side for simplified controls
-Wii Speak built in
-Video conferencing capable
Wii 2 Tennis Comfirmed?
Starchasing
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The_Darkest_Red said:
Because Nintendo once tried to launch GBA-GC as a big selling point... but it failed because it was too expensive. So if nintendo launched a new 3d portable after they failure of VirtuaBoy, i can see them revisiting the idea of a controller with a screen, and since its a tease, an unconfirmed rumour , it may as well be a six inches squared screen
Perfect Blue
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Iwata: *laughs*Fernando Rocker said:
TheRagnCajun
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Fourth Storm said:If only I had one ounce of artisitic talent:
Features:
-Unique circular touch screen like you're looking through a portal
-Standard amount of buttons organized in non-confusing way
-turn tablet on side for simplified controls
-Wii Speak built in
-Video conferencing capable
It looks like the magic mirror from Romper Room
Fourth Storm
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Majine said:
Hahaha, I never even thought of that. Had one of those salon-style handheld mirrors in mind.
radioheadrule83
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Vinci said:Karaoke games. LOTS of karaoke games.
Oh god, 3d visuals and performance capture displayed on the TV, lyrics displayed on the tablet for the person singing...
it would become my favourite gaming machine ever
♪ We'll always be together, however far it sseeeeeems
we'll always be together! Together in electric dreaaaams! ♪
From The Dust
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M74 said:
I guess you mean like the bumps on stoves and refridgerators. that could work. but then you would be flexing the screen in a very odd way. they may be able to bend in a wide arc, but probably not a short one
The_Darkest_Red said:So you're not buying the 6" screen rumor, then?
I see what you're saying about the problems that would occur with multiplayer and only having one tablet, but I see the device as more of a single-user focused device anyway. I envisioned using it to handle online functions (viewing friends list, messaging friends), inventory management, store browsing and purchasing, system control, and other similar features. I really don't think the screen would be that limited though, since its uses would be dictated by the software that developers come up with. To me it seems like the console equivalent of the bottom DS screen.
It's going to be awesome when Nintendo comes out and shows off some console that has nothing to do with a secondary screen at all. Oh well, this is fun enough for the time being.
No, I definitely don't buy the 6" screen rumour. Or touchscreen really for that matter. A small screen in the controller for information purposes, and communicating things relevant to just that player is feasible. Especially if biometrics or biofeedback is an aspect of the system, because it's the controller that would be gathering the information and it's information only relevant to that person.
A controller with thumbprint recognition that can identify you as the user, display your name/Mii on the controller, and then customise the Home screen, game/controller settings etc. automatically. That would be a very Nintendo way of having user-accounts and logging-in, plus automatic parental controls to boot.
Basically if something as expensive and fragile as a screen is in there, it's more likely being Nintendo to be a by-product of some other feature. The technology is never the selling point with Nintendo, it's how they apply it. Taking thumbprint recognition again for instance, it's technology that is out there just never been applied in this way before. With the 3DS the pedometer was applied in a different way with the PlayCoins, Wi-Fi also with StreetPass.
With Nintendo any key new feature is likely to be out-of-the-box thinking, because that's what keeps a company distinctive and makes a unique experience. Not replicating say RemotePlay, or managing your online account like a W7 Phone, or using a controller/screen like a DS. All things people are very familiar with.
Jive Turkey
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Ha!!! That was the first thing that came to my mind too. "I see Billy and Susie and Mathew and..."TheRagnCajun said:
The_Darkest_Red
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Miyamoto: We need some comic relief, we've been working too hard on this new system.
Iwata: Hmm... I've got it! Let's release some fake rumors and follow the inevitable GAF thread!
Iwata: Hmm... I've got it! Let's release some fake rumors and follow the inevitable GAF thread!
Starchasing
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Fourth Storm said:
i see this as a given too
From The Dust
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Futureman said:
fake ;_;
brochiller
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M74 said:
Like this?
Starchasing
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DECK'ARD said:
I totally agree with you....
Wolves Evolve
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Some predictions for future mocking.
Screen Rumour
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Seemingly likely with multiple confirmations.
Will stream GBA-level games from the console (console has a mode for this.)
Will show private player information and maps but not active gameplay.
... and is therefore.. a flipscreen. The controller has a traditional form factor with sticks at the bottom but a flip-up screen.
Sensor Bar Rumour
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Rumour is that the controller IS the sensor bar.
This only makes sense if the controller can be put under the TV and acts as.. a Kinectesque camera. In Soviet Russia, camera senses you, etc.
Console Rumours
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Rumour is that specs just over current generation.
Will be positioned just annoyingly higher than the other two consoles, but barely.
Will have more RAM than either, giving it 'an edge' but in practice this won't mean much.
Secret Rumour
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Is not massively disappointing after a good first two years.
Screen Rumour
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Seemingly likely with multiple confirmations.
Will stream GBA-level games from the console (console has a mode for this.)
Will show private player information and maps but not active gameplay.
... and is therefore.. a flipscreen. The controller has a traditional form factor with sticks at the bottom but a flip-up screen.
Sensor Bar Rumour
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Rumour is that the controller IS the sensor bar.
This only makes sense if the controller can be put under the TV and acts as.. a Kinectesque camera. In Soviet Russia, camera senses you, etc.
Console Rumours
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Rumour is that specs just over current generation.
Will be positioned just annoyingly higher than the other two consoles, but barely.
Will have more RAM than either, giving it 'an edge' but in practice this won't mean much.
Secret Rumour
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Is not massively disappointing after a good first two years.
Graphics Horse
Member
I can understand why people don't buy such a big screen on the controller, but a DSi XL would have a 6inch screen if you removed the gap. Maybe you could stream DS games on it, but I'd expect it to be gutted of most chips and ports.
Fourth Storm
Member
TheRagnCajun said:
Never saw it! Would be cool though to see your own face morph ala Mario's in Mario 64 right before your very eyes. Or to see your friends' faces or environment right there as you play.
The whole thing with the tablet is this: How do you hold it as you play without it being awkward? Having to rest it on your lap would suck as would having the screen hang to the side of your hand. This is my solution.
No way in hell they're giving up the Wii Remote form factor. It's good enough that Sony copied it and it feels extremely liberating to be able to move your hands separately. Only problem was accuracy and lack of standard buttons.
lunchwithyuzo
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Thinking about this, it'd be nice if we could play Virtual Console games on it directly. At least the 8/16-bit stuff.Wolves Evolve said:
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