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[elrechazado]

I don't think actively employing cognitive dissonance makes for a very compelling argument.

You don't think that a technically well made game can be unfun, or vice versa?

 

[Rich!]

Nintendo has several times to various press released the usual anticipated statement

"We do not comment on rumor and speculation."

Nintendo say that every single time and have done for the past decade, even when the info has turned out to be true...so yeah, totally anticipated. I don't know why people even bother trying to confirm stuff with them anymore. haha.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

I wills say that as objectively as I can rate it, its an 8/10 game interms of being well contructed, but it is still completely unenjoyable. I feel the same way about the God of War games. Well made, but still shit.

It's understandable to feel that way about a game but then that just means that it's not the game that is at fault.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Nintendo has several times to various press released the usual anticipated statement

"We do not comment on rumor and speculation."

Have they? Perhaps I've just been reading the wrong pieces, but I hadn't see them make any comment yet.

 

[poppabk]

There are plenty of things that have a fantastic amount of artistry and/or well executed craftmanship, but that doesn't necessarily make them enjoyable.

If your argument is that it has all the components of a great game but for you the 'feel' is wrong then that isn't a great argument for why other people are wrong for liking it.

 

[Nintendawg]

I wills say that as objectively as I can rate it, its an 8/10 game interms of being well contructed, but it is still completely unenjoyable. I feel the same way about the God of War games. Well made, but still shit.

Dude. That's called having an opinion.
You don't like it, but it's good. You even said it yourself that the games were well made. You just didn't enjoy them.

 

[SpecX]

Geeze this thread grew quick. Are we at that point again where new consoles are hitting the scene? I hope this is still just a rumor and if it's true, Nintendo isn't launching till the end of next year. I can't afford a new console yet and I still feel this generation has so much more to give.

 

[Tempy]

If you can actually present a reasonable argument as to why you disagree, as I did with my points of view, you might as well have said nothing because you have contributed nothing.

Guys, this thread isn't about DKCR.

 

[Graphics Horse]

So when do we expect Nikkei to spill the beans on this thing?

Have they? Perhaps I've just been reading the wrong pieces, but I hadn't see them make any comment yet.

Honestly, I think some sites report that response without even bothering to contact anyone, I think I remember this being proved once.

 

[Rich!]

Geeze this thread grew quick. Are we at that point again where new consoles are hitting the scene? I hope this is still just a rumor and if it's true, Nintendo isn't launching till the end of next year. I can't afford a new console yet and I still feel this generation has so much more to give.

It's going to be out next year, 100%. We'll obviously find out more details in the coming month though.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

If your argument is that it has all the components of a great game but for you the 'feel' is wrong then that isn't a great argument for why other people are wrong for liking it.

This. It's basically another way to word the whole soul&magic bullshit.

 

[KevinCow]

Man, if DKCR2 is a Cafe launch game, I will shit my pants in happiness.

Or you know what, DKCR was a gorgeous game even with the Wii's limitations. Just make DKCR2 a Wii game that's "Cafe-enhanced" or something. A regular Wii game that can be played on a regular Wii, but is rendered in HD if you play on Cafe.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

I don't think actively employing cognitive dissonance makes for a very compelling argument.

This.

 

[gerg]

Nope. I actually said none of that. I said it was crushed under the weight of its superior predecessor , DKC2, which I will say still holds up as a 10/10 game and is infinitely more enjoyable. The game still "works" as a game despite my dislike of it. I still see no reason why anyone who has played DKC2 would consider it an acceptable addition to the franchise.

You said, and I quote:

They don't jell with the game, they are blatantly shoe horned in, and they are extremely distracting and unnatural feeling.

Is this "bad" or not?

Too many of the songs are remixes from Donkey Kong Country 1 and the original songs are extremely forgettable. I can't recall a single one.

Is this "bad" or not?

Admittedly, the extent of your criticism regarding the minecart levels seems to be simply that they are unenjoyable.

I agree, on the face of it, with a distinction between how "good" and how "enjoyable" a game is, such that a bad game could, in theory, be enjoyable. (Hence, perhaps the concept of a "guilty pleasure".) I just don't think that your own words provide much of an argument to call the game "good".

Of course, the biggest objective to this distinction is when a game's goal is to be enjoyable, and thus "enjoyability" and "quality" may be intrinsically linked.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

So when do we expect Nikkei to spill the beans on this thing?

Day before/day of the investors meeting?

 

[Graphics Horse]

Guys, this thread isn't about DKCR.

Could have fooled me.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Man, if DKCR2 is a Cafe launch game, I will shit my pants in happiness.

Or you know what, DKCR was a gorgeous game even with the Wii's limitations. Just make DKCR2 a Wii game that's "Cafe-enhanced" or something. A regular Wii game that can be played on a regular Wii, but is rendered in HD if you play on Cafe.

Hopefully they don't half-ass backwards compatibility. Plenty of games would look amazing at HD resolutions if properly upscaled.

 

[TAS]

DKCR was indeed an abomination...until I used the homebrew classic controller code and played it with this:

It was pure bliss.

Wow..that's amazing. Where can I pick one up from?

 

[gerg]

Wow..that's amazing. Where can I pick one up from?

It's a promotional product from the Club Nintendo rewards scheme, which, IIRC, may have only been available in Europe and Japan.

So I'd check eBay.

 

[comedy bomb]

Are we at the point where we can start making up our own rumors? This thread is getting boring. Perhaps we should start posting our software want lists for this thing.

 

[Raide]

Hopefully they don't half-ass backwards compatibility. Plenty of games would look amazing at HD resolutions if properly upscaled.

This will be the make or break for me. Going by some of their VC releases, PAL land could get some rough emulation if that is how they are planning it. If they intend to have Wii guts inside and use the UberWii upscaler, it will depend on how well they do it.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Guys, this thread isn't about DKCR.

Nonsense, haven't you heard about Cafe Kong, DK's latest shitty friend family member

 

[Mortrialus]

You said, and I quote:



Is this "bad" or not?



Is this "bad" or not?

Admittedly, the extent of your criticism regarding the minecart levels seems to be simply that they are unenjoyable.

I agree, on the face of it, with a distinction between how "good" and how "enjoyable" a game is, such that a bad game could, in theory, be enjoyable. (Hence, perhaps the concept of a "guilty pleasure".) I just don't think that your own words provide much of an argument to call the game "good".

Of course, the biggest objective to this distinction is when a game's goal is to be enjoyable, and thus "enjoyability" and "quality" may be intrinsically linked.

If you or anyone else wants to continue this topic, we're taking it here.

Moving on, I still find the idea of a console controller with a 6'' increase to be absurd.

 

[linkboy]

It's a promotional product from the Club Nintendo rewards scheme, which, IIRC, may have only been available in Europe and Japan.

So I'd check eBay.

It was only available in Japan (at least to my knowledge), and since it was a Club Nintendo item (and a limited one at that). It can get pretty pricey. I got mine from play-asia (they managed to get ahold of 2) and it cost me $80.

Was worth every penny though.

 

[Rich!]

Wow..that's amazing. Where can I pick one up from?

Well. I registered the games I brought onto the EU Club Nintendo site, and got one for free. Here's a photo I just took:

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You don't think that a technically well made game can be unfun, or vice versa?

Sure. I feel that way about the first Uncharted.

I think there is a massive gulf between "This is an 8/10" and "This is an abomination."

 

[antonz]

It was only available in Japan (at least to my knowledge), and since it was a Club Nintendo item (and a limited one at that). It can get pretty pricey. I got mine from play-asia (they managed to get ahold of 2) and it cost me $80.

Was worth every penny though.

Europe and Australia both have access to it now while NA suffers in pain

 

[M74]

Are we at the point now where people intentionally derail the thread to get it closed?

 

[Sadist]

It was only available in Japan (at least to my knowledge), and since it was a Club Nintendo item (and a limited one at that). It can get pretty pricey. I got mine from play-asia (they managed to get ahold of 2) and it cost me $80.

Was worth every penny though.

It's also available in Europe. Costs about 7000 stars though

 

[FunkyPajamas]

The utter, deafening silence from all branches of Nintendo strongly suggests that the rumours are broadly true (new console, unveiled at E3 etc.) even if the details are incorrect in places.

Not necessarily, didn't the head of NOE deny the DS Lite (was it the Lite?) even one or two days before the official unveiling?

In my opinion these days nothing a company says or does (either denying or keeping silent) about a product's existence should be taken as an indicator of such. Except of course for the company coming right out to announce the existence of said product.

 

[Rich!]

It's also available in Europe. Costs about 7000 stars though

Didn't take long though!

 

[A.KU.MU]

Retrostudios started working on a Wii 2 game. It is NOT Metroid. Retro is done with Metroid.

I hate you Retro... I hate you.

*looks at Metroid Prime: Trilogy*

I love you Retro... I love you.

 

[AceBandage]

I hate you Retro... I hate you.

*looks at Metroid Prime: Trilogy*

I love you Retro... I love you.

While I love Metroid Prime, I'd like to see Retro tackle an adventure game.

 

[gerg]

Europe and Australia both have access to it now while NA suffers in pain

Blame having a different SNES design in the first place, I guess.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Are we at the point where we can start making up our own rumors? This thread is getting boring. Perhaps we should start posting our software want lists for this thing.

Final Fantasy XV
Dragon Quest XI
Kingdom Hearts 3
Resident Evil 6
Monster Hunter 4
Grand Theft Auto 5
Crysis 3
Mother 4
Etc

Who gon check me boo?

 

[antonz]

Blame having a different SNES design in the first place, I guess.

Controllers were identical

 

[gerg]

Controllers were identical

*ahem*

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

The multi-color buttons remind me of sweet tarts.

 

[MYE]

*ahem*

ugleh

 

[antonz]

*ahem*

http://japaneseretrogamesstation.com/images/snes_us.jpg[/i][/QUOTE]
yeah yeah the US version didnt have the fruity buttons but its still identical in structure. Japan just hates NOA because Reggie is too cool for School

 

[Instro]

Final Fantasy XV
Dragon Quest XI
Kingdom Hearts 3
Resident Evil 6
Monster Hunter 4
Grand Theft Auto 5
Crysis 3
Mother 4
Etc

Who gon check me boo?

Dude your forgetting Chrono Break.

 

[linkboy]

*ahem*

Other then the color of the face buttons, he's right. Its the exact same shell for all 3 terrorities.

I have a Super Famicom that I got while I was in Japan and I use those controllers with my US SNES 2 (the redesigned one).

Really wish the US had gotten the original design, its much better.

Hell, NOA could release that controller stateside as is and people would be happy. The color of the buttons (even though its better) really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Dude your forgetting Chrono Break.

and Metroid Dread

 

[gerg]

yeah yeah the US version didnt have the fruity buttons but its still identical in structure.

Well, sure, but considering the entire concept of this reward rests on nostalgia I imagine getting the details right is quite significant.

Other then the color of the face buttons, he's right. Its the exact same shell for all 3 terrorities.

And that's what I was referencing - the colour of the face buttons.

 

[AceBandage]

Dude your forgetting Chrono Break.

Why do people keep asking for that racing game?

 

[apana]

I wonder, will Monolith Soft be allowed to make HD towns?

 

[AceBandage]

I wonder, will Monolith Soft be allowed to make HD towns?

They aren't completely incompetent, so probably.

 

[thefro]

Other then the color of the face buttons, he's right. Its the exact same shell for all 3 terrorities.

I have a Super Famicom that I got while I was in Japan and I use those controllers with my US SNES 2 (the redesigned one).

Really wish the US had gotten the original design, its much better.

Hell, NOA could release that controller stateside as is and people would be happy. The color of the buttons (even though its better) really doesn't mean anything.

The Y/X buttons are concave on the SNES controller so that you can tell the difference between them an A/B by feel. That's not the case with the Super Famicom controllers, where all the buttons are convex.

 

[Jocchan]

I wonder, will Monolith Soft be allowed to make HD towns?

It depends. If you're talking about a Dizasutaaaa 2: Dizasutaaaa Harder, then yeah.

 

[apana]

What are the ways Nintendo could save money on HD development? I'm sure they have been looking into it. How do PC devs have low costs? For certain 2D games they could probably get away with just having an upgraded verion of their old engine. 3D Zelda and Mario will have to start from scratch.