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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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I just hope Nintendo realizes that they can't recapture the core audience by showing off Mario and Zelda... IN HD!
And, since both the Mario and Zelda team are working on projects already, I'm wondering if Nintendo's showcase title for the new system at e3 truly will be a new franchise.
And, since both the Mario and Zelda team are working on projects already, I'm wondering if Nintendo's showcase title for the new system at e3 truly will be a new franchise.
Empyrean Heaven
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Amir0x said:
And that's not all. If they really want to bring the hardcore back, Iwata needs to go to Mark Rein's house, and FUCKING BEG him to bring Unreal Engine 3 to the next Wii. See, two generations ago, Nintendo had the console chops to play with the big boys, but devs didn't bite due to the decreased market. This generation, the exact opposite: the market is there, but devs didn't want to touch it due to the specs. Next generation, Nintendo will likely have the market due to the Wii 2's initial monster success, AND will have the specs. There's just one big problem that I don't know that their banking on: At least in the west, most developers plain and simply don't like Nintendo. They don't like their laissez-faire policy when creating their console's online infrastructure, they don't like their hands-off policy when it comes to their dev kits and game development, and they don't like their seeming inability to cultivate third-party relationships through marketing or otherwise. Sure, some may bite, but what about the industry's true heavyweights, like Bioware, Infinity Ward, Respawn, Bungie, Insomniac, Bethesda, Valve, and especially Epic Games? They've probably been so turned off by Nintendo's actions under Iwata that even the promise of free blowjobs wouldn't bring them back.
Games that stand up (just off the top of my head): Zelda: Ocarina of Time; Lylat Wars (or Star Fox 64); Super Mario 64; Super Smash Brothers; Rogue Squadron; F-Zero X; Banjo Kazooie; Mario Kart 64; 1080 Snowboarding; Blast Corps; Perfect Dark; Goldeneye 007. I'm sure that there will be people saying "Oh, you forgot XXX", but this really was off the top of my head.Amir0x said:
Things like this are always going to be contested, but I seriously think you are going to far in arguing that the N64 library was shitty. I'm not an RPG guy, but I would probably agree with you that RPGs are thin on the ground.
Awful graphics? Sure, by today's standards, but they don't inhibit your enjoyment of a good game.
Awful framerate? Certainly in places, but it really depended on the game. F-Zero X ran at 60fps consistently with 30 vehicles on the screen. (This game was released in 1998. Looking at you PS3 developers).
Terrible controller? Subjective, but yes and no.
edit: Oh my God, I forgot Wetrix. I am truly sorry for my sins.
wsippel said:
I don't consider them Nintendo because they do not have the quality standards of Nintendo, and only recently joined the fold. To me, they have to prove to me they can rise their standards before I consider them really one of Nintendo.
I understand, however, that technically they really are now that Nintendo got them under their mitts. I just don't consider them qualified to be considered on par with a true Nintendo developed game.
Dr.Palutena
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Bentendo said:
hopefully the new- character ip Miyamoto was talking about .
also i really hope retro is doing there own thing with their next game.
AranhaHunter
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To me the most important things for this rumored SuperWii are:
1) Non motion controller - I wouldn't want a controller with the biggest button in the world (GC) or with 3 handles and uncomfortable (N64), go back to the basics, the SNES and NES controllers were great.
2) Online - Nintendo really has a lot of work to do here, just to catch up with PSN, let alone XBL and Steam. I'm not too encouraged about this since IMO, the 3DS online solution is not all that modern either, especially compared to NGP (even when we don't even have all the details on the latter).
1) Non motion controller - I wouldn't want a controller with the biggest button in the world (GC) or with 3 handles and uncomfortable (N64), go back to the basics, the SNES and NES controllers were great.
2) Online - Nintendo really has a lot of work to do here, just to catch up with PSN, let alone XBL and Steam. I'm not too encouraged about this since IMO, the 3DS online solution is not all that modern either, especially compared to NGP (even when we don't even have all the details on the latter).
Basileus777
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J-Rock said:
A console is meant to last 4-5 years. PS3 quality graphics won't cut it in 2016, especially since Microsoft and Sony will likely have their consoles out by the end of 2013.
justic.au said:
Saying Goldeneye or Perfect Dark stand the test of time proves the lie to your list. Nostalgia talking.
There is no logical way you could defend such a position without being eviscerated; Goldeneye and Perfect Dark have been surpassed in every conceivable way by virtually every FPS release ever post-1999. Unless you hate FPS and have some bullshit glasses on about the "GOOD OL' DAYS", it's a farce to say they stand any fucking test but the test of nostalgia whorism
Holy Order Sol
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Amir0x said:
Vegan?
All that meat makes me hungry.
Mortrialus
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Amir0x said:
True. Haven't seen any of Pandora's Tower. I've only heard it was announced.
I will admit, I'd like to see some major muscle behind new IPs from Nintendo, but I find their sequels less offensive than Sony's. Look at the God of War series: They've released six games for the franchise in five years, and apparently they intend to milk it further. And God of War sucked anyway. Thats some pretty blatant milking. Ratchet and Clank has 8 entries to the series over its nine year existence. I mean, shit even Nintendo isn't that bad in that regard.
BuggyDClown
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Amir0x said:
Perfect dark remake does. Fun as hell. Perfect dark 64. Hell no. The 20FPS in that game was disgusting, It went far lower at times as well.
AranhaHunter
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
wwm0nkey said:*plays Perfect Dark XBLA*
Yep still fun(N64 version is unplayable to me now though)
HenryGale said:
Perfect Dark remake was what proved to me the game in general doesn't stand the test. I tried playing it with all my friends, all of whom with PD fans, and all of us stopped playing after about two days.
We're like "Damn. What the FUCK. This is awful versus ANY fucking $2 FPS that I can download off XBLA." Garbage, empty level design; garbage objectives; fucking UGLY. The only thing that still stands ANY part of time is the creative weaponry.
Plus, guys, it's not really standing the test of time if you have to fix a billion aspects in a highly enhanced "port" in order to make the original even playable.
Commanche Raisin Toast said:
They're going to get beat on specs once Sony and Microsoft gets around to revealing their stuff.
But the positioning will be important. It just needs to have enough power to be a generational leap from what came before. Wii certainly didn't do that beyond the controllers, and although some of the connectivity features were sort of interesting in 2006, the lack of power really hurt a lot of the concepts like Wii channels and Wii ware. In retrospect making Wii an overcloked GameCube was a mistake in the power department.
I've said many times since 2008 that this past gen, the ideal console was never made.
It would have been a console with a hardware budget of $300 launched at $250 that does SD/HD with a small HDD and launched in 2005.
Holy Order Sol
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HenryGale said:
Yeah the framerate in multi-player was some offensive shit.
Gotta love the crazy weapons though.
Dr.Palutena
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
Like this?
quick photoshop a touch screen on that stat!
EmmanuelMunoz said:
i guess if i was stuck on a desert island and erased my memory of the five trillion improvements to the FPS genre since Goldeneye came out...
....hahahahaha who the fuck am I kidding. I'd kill myself before being forced to be stuck on a desert island with Goldeneye.
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't know, that might be worth the hilarity, lulz. But once SUPER MARIO 64 HD and WIND WAKER HD and STARFOX 64 HD come out it will start not being funny.Amir0x said:
Eh, listening the Game Informer podcast is pointless. They just talk about the rumors for the first 5 minutes then speculate aimlessly about what it will have for the rest of the show. Edit: actually they sound a lot like GAF making wild guesses and bashing the wii a bit just for fun.
gundamkyoukai
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Branduil said:
That's because no one does games that really uses modern PC specs.
When next gen comes around your going to be able to tell rather easy .
i bought a year of xbl, which goes so against what i stand for as far as online gaming and how much i should pay for it (anything), just so i could play perfect dark xbla.
would have been a complete waste, but it did allow me to reach working-with-god-tier-people on tf2. damn i played that game so much.
would have been a complete waste, but it did allow me to reach working-with-god-tier-people on tf2. damn i played that game so much.
To Far Away Times
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I'd take Perfect Dark's single player over almost any other FPS this gen save for Bioshock, Bulletstorm, and maybe a few others, provided that its the Xbox 360 version with dual analog controls.Amir0x said:
Far Away all that says is everyone can feel fairly safe to ignore your FPS opinions. I mean you're entitled to it but since almost every FPS everywhere is an improvement over Perfect Dark and Goldeneye I cannot support that level of disconnect with reality. Literally every aspect of FPS have improved, from gunplay, to competitive play, to level design, to physics, to open-endedness, to visuals and framerate.
Hell, about the only aspect that I could conceivably see complaining about these days vs. the old days is the lack of splitscreen in so many games. But really, who the fuck wants to split screen anymore.
*cough* sorry the three of you back there
Hell, about the only aspect that I could conceivably see complaining about these days vs. the old days is the lack of splitscreen in so many games. But really, who the fuck wants to split screen anymore.
*cough* sorry the three of you back there
EmCeeGramr
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I forgot that you played Team Fortress Pre-Alpha and never upgraded.AniHawk said:
I don't know about the rest of you but Mario \ Mario Kart games with Uncharted \ Gran Turismo 5 Graphics can get my money.
throw in some Donkey Kong Country HD & I'm good
, this is the chance for the People that love Nintendo games but hated the Graphics of the Wii to enjoy some Nintendo games again.
throw in some Donkey Kong Country HD & I'm good
, this is the chance for the People that love Nintendo games but hated the Graphics of the Wii to enjoy some Nintendo games again.
I still go back and play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark all the time....to me the only other FPS that compares is TF2. I'm not just talking about multiplayer either, I love the mission structure and objective-based gameplay that Goldeneye and PD's singleplayer has. EA's Bond games and even Timesplitters haven't quite nailed that since.
Amir0x said:
I can see why most people wouldn't enjoy it. The vast amount of improvements to FPS games since its release is staggering. But to me the ability to enjoy goldeneye as its own entity without comparing it to modern games is still there.
PS: I just killed a huge spider
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