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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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thehillissilent
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The limited amount of RAM and the storage limitation hurt it.v1oz said:
Nolan. said:
It's a shame that with all Nintendo platforms since DS it really feels like Nintendo is just like "oh god we're running out of things to do here what other bullshit can we add!? VITALITY SENSOR! Yes! And, uh, we can revive the VMU but in HD! Everybody was asking for that, right?"
Just use what works and REFINE it.
Let me talk to Nintendo personally, since he's in the room and I think I made him feel bad.
Look, Nintendo...
We've had enough unrefined generations from you, Nintendo. I am half starting to believe that is the problem with your games these gens, that you're so busy experimenting in trying to work around the gargantuan limitations in these devices versus what came before that the gameplay and/or overall quality suffers./
Biggest mistake anyone can make is to review this as Wii 2 in every sense than rerun 2006 again. Both up and down.
For one, I think Wii as a concept, no matter how much people hated it, was brilliant and has changed games forever from interacting with an intimidating controller to what the public perceives as a more futuristic mode of interaction -- which is motion controls.
They won't have that 'surprise' factor again even if they go with crazy tablet inputs and the like.
On the same note, third parties are not in the same financial position they were in 2004/2005 nor are anyone, possibly except Ubisoft/EA/Activision to invest heavily on technology and ignore entire segments entirely.
However those two new realities mediate the resulting platform's success and or failure remains to be seen.
But so much so far is based on what happened in 2006, it's a recipe for disappointment and having said absolutist statements requoted by someone in a few years and laughed at.
For one, I think Wii as a concept, no matter how much people hated it, was brilliant and has changed games forever from interacting with an intimidating controller to what the public perceives as a more futuristic mode of interaction -- which is motion controls.
They won't have that 'surprise' factor again even if they go with crazy tablet inputs and the like.
On the same note, third parties are not in the same financial position they were in 2004/2005 nor are anyone, possibly except Ubisoft/EA/Activision to invest heavily on technology and ignore entire segments entirely.
However those two new realities mediate the resulting platform's success and or failure remains to be seen.
But so much so far is based on what happened in 2006, it's a recipe for disappointment and having said absolutist statements requoted by someone in a few years and laughed at.
v1oz said:
Because games are often played in darkened rooms, in the same way as films are often watched in darkened rooms?
Kindle mirrors a book, people treat it like a book. With their bedside light if needed.
Also a touchscreen in a controller needs to be something you can glance down and immediately use, not maybe struggle to see what was on it. I really doubt Nintendo are going to drag up memories of the GBA debacle.
Dr.Palutena
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neptunes said:
there are far less exclusives nowadays, the scene is completely different from GCN days, if nintendo simply makes a console that can handle the same engines as the competition then they get non-gimped support from EA/Activision/Ubisoft/Capcom and other third party developers.
Amir0x said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-valve-biometrics-blog-entry
Gabe told Nintendo, make forth with built in biofeedback and I will bestow L4D3 upon thee.
Empyrean Heaven
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I think this topic proves that Amirox is the undisputed God of NeoGAF.
If they weren't willing to support the GameCube, which was technically superior to the PS2.Vinci said:
What makes you think they will support this next console? especially if next Xbox & PlayStation are generation ahead and close to each other in power? I just see another repeat of the past 3 generations, the only difference is that this console might actually sell a lot. I think it's fine to buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo developed games, but always wishing for decent 3rd party support always leave you disappointed.
Empyrean Heaven
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Amir0x said:
Yes, but the difference is that your opinions are actually right.
Hiltz said:
How about we see the machine first before we get excited over specific games on it? I'm not sure where MH4 would be best till we've seen all the possible combinations.
neptunes said:
Because that had nothing to do with that outcome: The PS2 was crowned king before it even launched. Everyone planned something for it. 3rd parties could put their titles predominantly or even exclusively on the PS2 and have a strong chance of return since it had, by far, the largest momentum and eventual install base.
Nowadays, that isn't true. Multiplatform titles are the rule, not the exception. Any additional source of revenue is not only preferable, it's necessary. Again: You are ignoring how drastically the development side of things has changed over this generation. The moment we got game budgets hitting $100 million, the rules had to change.
Utako said:
hehe that is only really good thing from this concept I can think of so far. But if the controller has limited/no buttons outcome still sucks.
1-D_FTW said:
It makes you agree that the opinion is right. Of course, I am always right, so it is a little difficult to find fault in his thesis.
brain_stew
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R700 is the codename for only one GPU; the 4870x2.Mithos said:
There's no way that would end up in the system but if Nintendo are using a GPU that is more than 10x as powerful as Xenos in their dev kits, then this thing is going to be no slouch.
Dr.Palutena
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neptunes said:
phrasing it that way makes it sounds like the wii didn't sell a lot.
Sammy Samusu
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This is like Wii Remote speculations all over again.
As for Epic, they can sit all the way down, just give me Valve support.
As for Epic, they can sit all the way down, just give me Valve support.
-Pyromaniac-
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Nintendo has been trying so hard to be different lately they've lost sight of the fact that there are some things you should swallow your pride on and copy to offer your customers a better experience, like copying MS/Sony online functionality in some way in terms of the way they are set up, high end graphics, good controller, hard drive, new IPs with big budgets etc etc....
thecouncil
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has the possibility of using the screen to present all useless HUD information been discussed? a HUD-less screen is ideal for games. especially nintendo games, considering the 'skyward sword' screens everyone cries about around here.
Thunderbear
Mawio Gawaxy iz da Wheeson hee pways games
Fuck me Nintendo, stop selling me 5-6 year old hardware at a premium price! I'll probably still bite since Sony and MS are going to be a few years out on their next platforms. And the idea of Zelda/Mario with Xbox360/PS3 level graphics is still cool.
But it really sucks that they take advantage of customers by selling them old tech. Even the Tablets are going to be more powerful than Ninteodo's hardware when it comes out (or soon after). Nintendo first party games is what saves it, that and that Sony's and MS's next consoles are a bit further out.
I'm still annoyed. I was really excited yesterday, thinking "finally a next generation console". Instead I'll get old hardware with some "gimmick" (my choice of words, my opinion which I have a right to) that I might or might not like.
Like I said, Zelda and Mario on Xbox360/PS3 level quality coupled with the "next-generation" still being a few years out will most likely make me bite. I am sure the demos at E3 will be awesome.
I actually agree with gluv65 on this matter. Gamers are too safe and conservative by nature, everything in the process of evolving will be imperfect. I see the Wii as the metamorphosis stage towards something greater. Maybe touch screen is the next step. One thing is clear, we are not going back to the traditional controller.
HisshouBuraiKen
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brochiller said:
I don't think e-ink can be redrawn quickly enough to keep pace with a video game. e-ink is a wonderful replacement for INK but it wouldn't work in a gaming system.
One thing I think a (small) screen would be cool for is MGS style puzzles where the answer isn't on the TV, like:
"I've sent you the info."
*messes around in menus and inventories for 5 minutes*
"where the fuck is it?!"
*sees info on controller screen*
"Aaaaaaaah!"
Utako said:
Yes, very nice but you'd need still need to buy 3 now very expensive controllers with terrible battery life.
Connectivity has been explored, and there really isn't much there to be gained. Not enough to justify doing something as ridiculous as putting 6 inch HD touchscreens in every controller. I'm hoping these rumours are either off-base, or got exaggerated Chinese whispers style. Anything more than a small VMU style screen for player information, maybe bio-feedback stuff, is complete overkill.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I still think this controller will have buttons but, if it doesn't, I'll join in on the meltdown.
I just can't possibly see Nintendo going this direction after their negative comments toward the App-method of gaming.
I just can't possibly see Nintendo going this direction after their negative comments toward the App-method of gaming.
-Pyromaniac- said:
High end graphics is not something you can copy. It's a moving target, and to argue they don't care about visuals is to not understand what they are. Visuals is a component Nintendo has continually refined.
I've argued this generation of hardware was designed to put them out of business, which is why the came out with the Wii and the DS.
I have no doubt Wii 2 will be more conventional, but it will have something that will make it different.
Jim E. Rossler
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FixedGodDuckman said:
The actual dollar figure is irrelevant, It's all relative anyway. I think $ 2 million was considered a lot back then. Especially when compared to the N64/GC days.Deku said:
There's no reason why the Wii didn't even get half of the 3rd party games the PS2 had, but look where where we are now. Third parties could have ported their most established IPs.
Where was the Wii iteration of [insert AAA 3rd party franchise here], "shit they could have just ported the PS2 game etc..."
The controller screen should never be a full hud replacement, just an additional piece to use for info or a quick view aspect (again like the VMU). Maybe use it for tips or to help locate objects. Immersion, not distraction.
Actual plumbing. He'll have no idea what to do.
Hiltz said:
Actual plumbing. He'll have no idea what to do.
This is what I had in mind, excuse the terrible graphics:
Something like this would add a lot of functionality above just pressing it like a button, like being able to have a sliding interface. And of course, being a screen, the buttons could be mapped in anyway they want to, and even label them conveniently.
Something like this would add a lot of functionality above just pressing it like a button, like being able to have a sliding interface. And of course, being a screen, the buttons could be mapped in anyway they want to, and even label them conveniently.
neptunes said:
Problem is, that most everyone is assuming that the X720 and PS4 are going to be a huge step up from the 360 and PS3.
I don't think they will be. In fact, I see them taking about the same step that Nintendo did going from the Cube to the Wii. I'm guessing what they will be aiming for will be to get a solid 720p/1080p(no more sub-hd resolutions) standard with a solid and stable 30fps with all the bells and whistles on.
If Nintendo can position themselves at just slightly better than the PS3, they will be in a good position where they can possibly repeat the success that Sony had with the PS2. Will it happen? Who knows. But at least it will be interesting.
Black-Wind
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This.DoomXploder7 said:
Thats what I take from the "Much stronger than the PS3" bit.
They want to make a true gen jump so that they don't run into the same problem with games as they did this gen because then devs could easily port games to what will likely be the lead console next gen.
Plinko said:
I can't see Nintendo abandoning something they've used since the Game & Watch days either. The buttons are there for a reason.
But even talk of a touchscreen in the controllers is quite baffling, so little to gain with massive downsides of cost, fragility and battery life.
-Pyromaniac-
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When the other 2 companies did it 5-6 years ago and you haven't, it becomes a trend you can copy =pDeku said:
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