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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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Willy105 said:
Yes and no. I enjoy both 2D and 3D Mario. Mario hasn't generally suffered from going 3D the same way that Zelda did. Mario is at least still fun. Zelda games are just mostly boring now, just wide open, empty spaces in some uninteresting attempt for being epic.
ryan-ts said:
What're you babbling about?
nincompoop
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Dual joysticks are completely unnecessary in this day and age. I'd prefer to see the second stick fazed out completely and replaced by IR in all controllers, rather than having it in there as an option for shitty devs to force us to use for slow and imprecise aiming.
-Pyromaniac-
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So now IGN says dual analogs with dpad and trigger. Sounds about right if they're looking to put more third party games on their system and chase the core market. Good to hear that.
jump_button
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where are the bad fake Touch Screen Controllers?
Throwaway123456789
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Vanille said:
This. The DS had Nitro as a code name - how do you extract anything from that name?
The N64 was Project Reality.
The GB Micro was Project Oxygen.
Project Cafè could mean the dude in charge of naming the project really wanted some damned coffee right then.
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Project Cafe... Partnership with Saeco and Pellini or bust.
or it's a partnership with NESpresso... believe
or it's a partnership with NESpresso... believe
Meesh
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Sounding more and more like a traditional pad all the time... gone is the "remote" style. Touch screen is a cool inclusion tho.-Pyromaniac- said:
That's mebirdchili said:
*sigh* Project cafe sounds like they're trying to get me back to over caffeinated all night game sessions again...good times, good timesWilly105 said:
That's probably the main difference: Back in the early days, I had no conception that Zelda was meant to be epic. It was just a fun adventure title. Lots of content per square foot; lots of stuff to interact with, secrets to find. Goes 3D and suddenly there are these massive expanses of land you spend tons of time running around in with mostly forgettable content contained within them.
I mean, it might work for me better if it were like Shadow of the Colossus - at least at the end of those expanses of nothing there was something interesting to do.
Oh well. We're just different people.
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FoxHimself said:
Evilink said:
I find it incredibly difficult to believe this.
I hope so, though. I mean I want them to retain the pointer but if abandoning motion controls means sacrificing the pointer in the name of bringing back the far and away vastly superior applications of traditional pads I'd begrudgingly approve.
But really with all these rumours about the controller we're obviously missing some basic concept that could tie these functionality together in a logical fashion. It just is way too much stuff to fit on a single device without looking and feeling like a demon spawn.
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jump_button said:
Miles back through the thread.
I liked this one:
Mojojo said:
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Vinci said:
So you're saying at the end of Zeldas overworlds there was nothing interesting to do? Confused.
I think a big problem with the content per square meter in 3D was actually the 3D itself. No way in hell the N64 would've been able to render the amount of stuff from Alttp or even Links Awakening in 3D.
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Amir0x said:
Yeah, I still consider it distracting if the controller has a touch-screen - since you have to monitor two screens and unlike the DS they're a bit farther from each other.
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Amir0x said:
Well it is supposedly backwards compatible, so why not simply use a Wiimote or a new version of it for that stuff? That would add to the clutter, but hell, it can't hardly be worse than the accesory craze on the Wii. I for one am quite happy with the Wiimote/CCP option. Just making it wireless would help a lot.
Amir0x said:who would tug a controller around with them
especially one that is clearly going to look like freakazoid with all these rumours
Streetpass would work if you link up your 3DS to the system and it downloads your system's info to share it when streetpassing on the 3DS.
Wow I usually like to read through the threads before posting but this has gotten huge, ha ha. Fall 2012 sounds far away when you look at the current Wii slump. I guess it's gonna be a 3DS year?
I'll probably pick up Wii 2 regardless, but I hope Nintendo is learning from their mistakes and doesn't forget these basics:
HD + ROOMY HARD DRIVE - Both should be a given but Nintendo's never delivered on this. A hard drive is simply essential for patches and downloading from the e-Shops. It's just good for business.
BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY - For Wii and also the e-Shop. Don't wanna buy Super Mario 1 all over again. Gamecube compatibility would be nice but if they're available in the shop (for a reasonable price), that's okay too.
REGULAR CONTROLLER - It can do fancy stuff but normal functionality HAS to be there. The Wii innovated itself out of the hardcore crowd, which may have been avoided if they simply tossed a classic controller in the box. If one looks at the PS3 controller and Xbox pad, they look an awful lot like SNES controllers. Nintendo, don't ignore your past successes just to be different.
UPSCALING - I dunno how that works exactly and my comp isn't boss enough to run Dolphin, but seeing Wii and GC games at 720p is HOT. It would be a major miss for me if Wii2 couldn't do this.
3DS COMPATIBILITY - How cool would it be to use the 3DS as a controller and to play a 3DS game's top screen on your TV? Without the 3D of course.
LAUNCH TITLES - Nintendo's been pretty pompous/lazy in this category lately. If they were trying to throw a bone to give 3rd parties the spotlight, it's pretty much failed. I only bought a 3DS at launch because I'm a huge Nintendo nerd. The Wii's selling point was Zelda, which was also a GC game. GC had Luigi's Mansion? Come on Nintendo, remember your awesome launches from before and give people a reason to be hyped.
3RD PARTY SUPPORT - Nintendo needs to find the reasons they keep missing out on great titles and do what's necessary (moneyhats?) to get games back on their consoles.
I'll probably pick up Wii 2 regardless, but I hope Nintendo is learning from their mistakes and doesn't forget these basics:
HD + ROOMY HARD DRIVE - Both should be a given but Nintendo's never delivered on this. A hard drive is simply essential for patches and downloading from the e-Shops. It's just good for business.
BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY - For Wii and also the e-Shop. Don't wanna buy Super Mario 1 all over again. Gamecube compatibility would be nice but if they're available in the shop (for a reasonable price), that's okay too.
REGULAR CONTROLLER - It can do fancy stuff but normal functionality HAS to be there. The Wii innovated itself out of the hardcore crowd, which may have been avoided if they simply tossed a classic controller in the box. If one looks at the PS3 controller and Xbox pad, they look an awful lot like SNES controllers. Nintendo, don't ignore your past successes just to be different.
UPSCALING - I dunno how that works exactly and my comp isn't boss enough to run Dolphin, but seeing Wii and GC games at 720p is HOT. It would be a major miss for me if Wii2 couldn't do this.
3DS COMPATIBILITY - How cool would it be to use the 3DS as a controller and to play a 3DS game's top screen on your TV? Without the 3D of course.
LAUNCH TITLES - Nintendo's been pretty pompous/lazy in this category lately. If they were trying to throw a bone to give 3rd parties the spotlight, it's pretty much failed. I only bought a 3DS at launch because I'm a huge Nintendo nerd. The Wii's selling point was Zelda, which was also a GC game. GC had Luigi's Mansion? Come on Nintendo, remember your awesome launches from before and give people a reason to be hyped.
3RD PARTY SUPPORT - Nintendo needs to find the reasons they keep missing out on great titles and do what's necessary (moneyhats?) to get games back on their consoles.
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Jocchan said:
Ewwwh... Filter coffee... Yeah but you're right, late comparison is late.
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Aiming was a popular use, but certainly not the only one. Camera control on a second analog control is very much missed.nincompoop said:
2005.jump_button said:
I think the IGN note that first and third party games will be shown at E3 is interesting.
Assuming it's the usual multiplat third party stuff...what on earth will they show for release in late 2012? Or will they show 'this is what X franchise could look like on Wii 2' type stuff?
Assuming it's the usual multiplat third party stuff...what on earth will they show for release in late 2012? Or will they show 'this is what X franchise could look like on Wii 2' type stuff?
Glass Joe said:
Yeah Wii Shop purchase BC is a biiiiig point for me. I really want to hear about that. It will literally determine whether I spend a dime on Wii HD's shop or not. There is no way all the money I spent on downladable games should be eliminated in the move to Wii HD, considering how simple it would be to retain licenses for the software you downloaded.
If Nintendo could not do that, then I would not trust them enough to do it for Wii HD's successor, and that'd make me turn to other downloadable services.
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So Nintendo is really, truly announcing their next console in June? Interesting.
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Amir0x said:
all i can think of is them trying to run with 2 controllers,
this new one thats more traditional but has a touch screen
and an updated wii remote, probably with vitality sense integrated in some way.
that or as you said something ties these features together in one controller that some how both works and isn't an ergonomic nightmare.
boris feinbrand said:
Well, the whole epic thing made every boss battle in 3D Zelda games feel like a letdown. I mean, I wouldn't mind so much if I found the content in between Point A and Point B fun, but mostly it's not - it's few and far between, and what's there isn't particularly challenging or complex. *shrugs*
Oh, I totally agree - which is my problem with most 3D games in general. The content to scale ratio is just all jacked up in most. Some get away from that. Morrowind did. RDR threw in enough randomly generated shallow content whilst traveling to distract you from how mindbogglingly dull traveling was outside of the first few hours of 'Ooo, that's pretty."
But, again, I am not proposing that people agree with me. We're all different.
Its crazy but the french site speculated it. We could see an early 2012 launch. The word is major 3rd parties got the kits months ago. So they could be planning their major fall releases for the Wii2. Not as cool if it comes a few months after they launch on the others but could give the Wii 2 a solid launch lineup.gofreak said:
Flying_Phoenix
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I just want developers to really grab motion controls by the horns.
Some games like Punchout!, Red Steel, and SSX Blur practically revolutionized the genre in terms of input.
Other games like No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Mario Galaxy found nice ways to add them into the experience.
Developers have really let me done with the motion controller revolution.
Some games like Punchout!, Red Steel, and SSX Blur practically revolutionized the genre in terms of input.
Other games like No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Mario Galaxy found nice ways to add them into the experience.
Developers have really let me done with the motion controller revolution.
AzureNightmare
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antonz said:
If it came early 2012, then port-overs from the 2011 lineups would make sense.
Late 2012 and I'd expect them to be prepping their fall/winter 2012 lineup for it instead...which in many cases probably wouldn't be showable at E3 this year. But maybe not? I dunno. Certainly the 'annual' franchises wouldn't be showable for a late 2012 release at E3, but others perhaps...
6" screen, hmm..
The Wii Remote measures 5.83" x 1.43" that happens to be exactly 6" diagonally.
5.83² + 1.43² = c²
33.99 + 2.05 = c²
36.04 = c²
c = 6.00 inches
Could be a coincidence, but I don't think Nintendo is going to go with a conventional touch screen on the controller. If there is any truth to the rumor, I bet it'll be a new remote with some sort of haptic feedback on the surface.. Who knows..
The Wii Remote measures 5.83" x 1.43" that happens to be exactly 6" diagonally.
5.83² + 1.43² = c²
33.99 + 2.05 = c²
36.04 = c²
c = 6.00 inches
Could be a coincidence, but I don't think Nintendo is going to go with a conventional touch screen on the controller. If there is any truth to the rumor, I bet it'll be a new remote with some sort of haptic feedback on the surface.. Who knows..
Flying_Phoenix said:
No motion controllers let down developers. Hell that's practically the reason Nintendo was forced to amend the outlandish limitations of the "motion control" with the Motion+. The sooner you learn this, the earlier you can move on to a life of superior control functionality.
Gameplay/Control Refinement over Inferior controls for IMMERZION ftw
Hot Coldman
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Amir0x said:
I think you can expect Nintendo do this. We'll so how DSiWare ---> 3DS actually turns out, but they've stated what they intend to allow people to do, and I believe they'll make similar efforts with regards to WiiWare and VC. I for one would love it if they also allowed transfer of VC games for playing on the touch screen doodad, if it exists, but the logistics for that might be hard.
I'll expect them to allow players to transfer over Wii downloads, but if it doesn't happen... I won't be surprised either way, basically.
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