Their army, tech was usually prized for being so cost efficient. Well, it turns out you can't fool numbers and maintaining big, advanced army with economy smaller than Italy's isn't possible. There's reason why USA has such a huge military budget.
Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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darrylgorn
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It's already mental that we're allowing this to happen in the first place.
We have military stationed outside of Ukraine already.
We should send them in and drive the Russians back to their border.
If we make the effort of goodwill now, it will be a guaranteed benefit later.
Dural
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Same here, I know of at least two incidences where we could have had nuclear war but a Russian individual prevented it.
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Sakura
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Isn't the plan to just encircle the city and wait for it to surrender? Realistically how much food and supplies does a modern city have to last a siege? I'd imagine with the way our supply chains and everything works today, a city of a million+ gets everything from outside the city and doesn't exactly have a ton of food stores (though maybe they have significantly prepared in this regard, still though feeding million+...).
They have no plan .. you guys are overthinking .. he is delusional and ordered a half baked attack ..
Alx
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Sounds like a large part of the troops were there for posturing like many assumed, and then for some reason Putin decided to call his own bluff.
I believe so too in the current circunstances, but if NATO troops were to enter Ukraine, i'm not so sure.
Wildebeest
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poppabk
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It's highly unlikely, but it is more probable now than it has been in the last 40 or so years.
When it is an extinction level event - a 0.00001% chance is still a major concern.
Vestal
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It is not that simple. Putting NATO/EU/US troops on the ground in Ukraine signals a MAJOR escalation unheard of in the past 50 years.
Havoc2049
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I wish you guys were right, but I think you are being over optimistic. This war is starting to get ugly as the Russian military are starting encircle these large population centers like Kyiv and Kharkiv, and are now raining down missiles, air strikes and artillery strikes into the heart of these cities.
There are reports now that the Russian military is moving towards the Polish border, to cut off supplies coming in from the west and stop people from leaving or entering Ukraine.
Putin was probably hoping the Ukrainians would crumble quickly, but now it is a matter of pride for Putin to bring home a win no matter what the cost. I think he is prepared to lord over a hole in the ground at this point.
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Patrick S.
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There are entire continents that can be said about :/
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M1chl
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If west not going to fuck around and find out it will be fine, also who needs nukes when you have Thermobaric, that weapon is nasty, without the nuclear dust and so on. Probably lot cheaper too.
I think most are over estimating Russia and Putin , it looks like a I'll conceived plan .. wich would have worked 60 years ago .. but the world has moved on and changed . You think Ukrainians have no pride ? He is now in Urban Warfare land .. and a digital age , we will strip him of all the digital stuff ..
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funkygunther
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Will announce the sharing of your ultimate weapon
But seriously, give us a transcript afterwards please!
chromhound
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it seems like Putin doesn't train his soldiers. All those videos of seeing those soldiers showing off on the internet lol
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Airbus Jr
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Not a military expert but i want to say this
In the future NATO has to built new air to air fighter jets
The typhoon grippen f 35 and rafale are not enough to fight russian flankers for air superiority fights
Right now they can focus the ground to air missiles systems like patriot
In the future NATO has to built new air to air fighter jets
The typhoon grippen f 35 and rafale are not enough to fight russian flankers for air superiority fights
Right now they can focus the ground to air missiles systems like patriot
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Patrick S.
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Fucking whoresons
My colleagues from work and I looked through our wardrobes and put together a truckload of warm clothes that a friend of one of my colleagues is taking by car to Ukranian fugitives in Romania tomorrow, and we're doing a second round next week, at the latest. I hope the Russians can't block that....
Fuck man, this all feels like fiction to me... I'm 44 years old and grew up near Point Alpha in Germany, I remember the Cold War and being scared of Russians as a kid... now my son ist going through the same shit. It's nice to see how much of a fight Ukraine is putting up. And I'm really suprised, like most Germans, that our new leadership is speaking harsh truths about what's going on, sending weapons to Ukraine, supporting big sanctions, and is increasing military funding and will meet the 2% quota mandated by NATO. Finally the days of the fucking "Tiki-Taka" of Merkel and her CDU are over!
PS. Anyone remember this book?
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They have almost certainly been planning this thing for years if not over a decade. I think there were massive miscalculations on European unity and the severity of sanctions after getting away with Crimea. When you consider that the natural resources in eastern territories and a land bridge to Crimea are probably the main strategic goals their moves make some sense. I think it's wishful thinking to assume your enemy with a history of successful deceit has suddenly gone senile.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
That first one was stuck in the mud. They don't have 6x6s?
All credit to the fortitude and patience of the Baltic forces watching this. The urge to bootfuck Belarus has got to be enormous being right there.
They have situational awareness and know it's not time yet. Stay frosty.
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Forsete
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
They won't so it's a moot point.
chromhound
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these men are from separatist regions of Ukraine and all worked in schools.
They were told by the directors of the school or by phone call that they had to report to the military depots to do some service 3-5 days. Essentially, sit at outposts and let some cars through. They all thought they'd lose their jobs if they didn't go. Regardless, they chose to fight.
They were told by the directors of the school or by phone call that they had to report to the military depots to do some service 3-5 days. Essentially, sit at outposts and let some cars through. They all thought they'd lose their jobs if they didn't go. Regardless, they chose to fight.
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He sure look senile ..
NecrosaroIII
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At which point should this war be considered a proxy war? Is it already?
Hypereides
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Common Russian folks are using those platforms to share protest and their disapproval of the war. Banning the entire territory of Russia from social platforms would make those innocent people lose important channels of communication.
EDIT: nevermind, they seem to currently still be up and running.
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M1chl
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Well I guess now that Agro Fuehrer* also fights, I guess it's proxy war. But wasn't started as such...
* Lukasenko
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
There is no "win" anymore. Even if Russia takes Kyiv and all it's objectives it will just be a symbolic victory. Putin has turned Zelensky into a hero, has United the West, destroyed Russia's image, and completely destroyed the Russian economy. It will take at least a decade to even begin to recover from this clusterfuck.
Its like setting your house on fire and then doing a victory dance in your front yard because you finally killed the spider in the attic.
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chromhound
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Bitmap Frogs
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The exagerated distancing in the photos makes him look weak and isolated.
Havoc2049
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Is it though? From a military standpoint, Russian troops are making substantial gains into Ukraine. War isn't some instant gradification event. It took the combined forces of Germany and Russia five weeks to take over Poland at the begining of WWII. We are only a week into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Forsete
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Here are my short cliff notes from the Swedish PMs speech.
- More resources to the military (total defence)
- Prices are going up, will affect people.
- Swedish companies will be affected by this conflict.
- People should stay informed and not spread disinformation
- Do not spread information on military activity
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Mokus
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Makes me wander if Russia actually have an 800 thousand standing professional army.
chromhound
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i doubt it
There are numerous war experts they tell it looks badly organized.. and it already is taking to long ..
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ResilientBanana
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Look at the comments in this thread. Is this a Ruse or is Russia just this dumb? I just can't imagine a country's leader looking like this big of an imbecile. There has to be something else..
It's a good question.
It has been pointed out that the better part of the army could be being held back for different purposes such as further objectives or if NATO attacks.
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chromhound
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Wishful thinking.. it's just this .. an old ass army . NATO will never attack unless he attacks a NATO country .. and I'll bed we could destroy him pretty quickly . It looks like Russia should have kept it all a secret in being a army super power .. so that it could be a legend .. we now see the real Russia .
Apart from having old ass nukes it looks like a shitty army .
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Bitmap Frogs
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I still don't understand that last bit... NATO has been around quite awhile and it's been very obvious that it's just a self defense pact.
Looks like he uses all the nasty old stuff against practically his own .. amazing
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Indeed. NATO has more sense than to attack.
My post was to offer some speculation as to the Russian motivation(however misplaced and paranoid) holding their own forces back.
Exactly. My thought is Russian tactics may be considering their actions in Ukraine, and maybe along other fronts, will draw NATO nations out from the horror of Russian war crimes.
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