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[MadAnon]

How could he send troops like this? Is it a subtle way from generals that they don’t agree? Or has corruption ate away at Russian forces from within?

Their army, tech was usually prized for being so cost efficient. Well, it turns out you can't fool numbers and maintaining big, advanced army with economy smaller than Italy's isn't possible. There's reason why USA has such a huge military budget.

 

[darrylgorn]

I dont Want the world to get draw into this as that is when stuff goes mental fast.

It's already mental that we're allowing this to happen in the first place.

We have military stationed outside of Ukraine already.

We should send them in and drive the Russians back to their border.

If we make the effort of goodwill now, it will be a guaranteed benefit later.

 

[Dural]

I have faith that if it comes to that moment, someone is gonna stop him.

Stay calm old man, you already did enough, go fuck yourself, or something like that.

Same here, I know of at least two incidences where we could have had nuclear war but a Russian individual prevented it.

Stanislav Petrov

Vasili Arkhipov

 

[Sakura]

What are you even talking about? Its just a fact. The massive convoy moving to take Kyiv has basically not moved due to poor logistical support. You think they are going to take a heavily defended city with over a million people in it in just a few days?

I'm not the one that needs to wake up here.

Isn't the plan to just encircle the city and wait for it to surrender? Realistically how much food and supplies does a modern city have to last a siege? I'd imagine with the way our supply chains and everything works today, a city of a million+ gets everything from outside the city and doesn't exactly have a ton of food stores (though maybe they have significantly prepared in this regard, still though feeding million+...).

 

[sinnergy]

Russia has recent combat experience in the middle east, sending a bunch of decrepit cold war shit driven by boys who don't even know they are going to war and with no way to contact HQ seems like a complete distraction. If it wasn't for all the sanctions fucking up their economy I would have said peace negotiations would finish as soon as they got what they wanted in the east. Now I have no idea what their plan is.

They have no plan .. you guys are overthinking .. he is delusional and ordered a half baked attack ..

 

[Alx]

lol

Sounds like a large part of the troops were there for posturing like many assumed, and then for some reason Putin decided to call his own bluff.

 

[Loope]

Nukes are not going to be used. It is that simple.

I believe so too in the current circunstances, but if NATO troops were to enter Ukraine, i'm not so sure.

 

[Wildebeest]

Sounds like a large part of the troops were there for posturing like many assumed, and then for some reason Putin decided to call his own bluff.

The Russian soldiers like the Russian people are treated like mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed excrement.

 

[poppabk]

Nukes are not going to be used. It is that simple.

It's highly unlikely, but it is more probable now than it has been in the last 40 or so years.
When it is an extinction level event - a 0.00001% chance is still a major concern.

 

[Vestal]

It's already mental that we're allowing this to happen in the first place.

We have military stationed outside of Ukraine already.

We should send them in and drive the Russians back to their border.

If we make the effort of goodwill now, it will be a guaranteed benefit later.

It is not that simple. Putting NATO/EU/US troops on the ground in Ukraine signals a MAJOR escalation unheard of in the past 50 years.

 

[Havoc2049]

Psychological effects will cripple this Russian invasion. This is the smartphone generation where everything is a button push, and these troops have no good reason to be in Ukraine. Low morale, shit supply lines, shit equipment, all the while their friends will be dying.

What are you even talking about? Its just a fact. The massive convoy moving to take Kyiv has basically not moved due to poor logistical support. You think they are going to take a heavily defended city with over a million people in it in just a few days?

I'm not the one that needs to wake up here.

I wish you guys were right, but I think you are being over optimistic. This war is starting to get ugly as the Russian military are starting encircle these large population centers like Kyiv and Kharkiv, and are now raining down missiles, air strikes and artillery strikes into the heart of these cities.

There are reports now that the Russian military is moving towards the Polish border, to cut off supplies coming in from the west and stop people from leaving or entering Ukraine.

Putin was probably hoping the Ukrainians would crumble quickly, but now it is a matter of pride for Putin to bring home a win no matter what the cost. I think he is prepared to lord over a hole in the ground at this point.

 

[Patrick S.]

Russia has so much potential to be a great Country but they have a shitty leader and corruption... So sad

There are entire continents that can be said about :/

 

[M1chl]

Nukes are not going to be used. It is that simple.

If west not going to fuck around and find out it will be fine, also who needs nukes when you have Thermobaric, that weapon is nasty, without the nuclear dust and so on. Probably lot cheaper too.

 

[sinnergy]

I wish you guys were right, but I think you are being over optimistic. This war is starting to get ugly as the Russian military are starting encircle these large population centers like Kyiv and Kharkiv, and are now raining down missiles, air strikes and artillery strikes into the heart of these cities.

There are reports now that the Russian military is moving towards the Polish border, to cut off supplies coming in from the west and stop people from leaving or entering Ukraine.

Putin was probably hoping the Ukrainians would crumble quickly, but now it is a matter of pride for Putin to bring home a win no matter what the cost. I think he is prepared to lord over a hole in the ground at this point.

I think most are over estimating Russia and Putin , it looks like a I’ll conceived plan .. wich would have worked 60 years ago .. but the world has moved on and changed . You think Ukrainians have no pride ? He is now in Urban Warfare land .. and a digital age , we will strip him of all the digital stuff ..

 

[Gp1]

Looks like a SU-34 Bomber lost a wing or a at least part of a stabilizer

 

[Forsete]

Swedish PM to address the nation at 20:01.

I wonder what she has to say.

 

[speckz]

 

[Forsete]

Hmm..

 

[M1chl]

Seems like there is a convoy near-by

 

[funkygunther]

Swedish PM to address the nation at 20:01.

I wonder what she has to say.

Will announce the sharing of your ultimate weapon

But seriously, give us a transcript afterwards please!

 

[chromhound]

Hmm..

it seems like Putin doesn't train his soldiers. All those videos of seeing those soldiers showing off on the internet lol

 

[Airbus Jr]

Not a military expert but i want to say this

In the future NATO has to built new air to air fighter jets

The typhoon grippen f 35 and rafale are not enough to fight russian flankers for air superiority fights

Right now they can focus the ground to air missiles systems like patriot

 

[Patrick S.]

There are reports now that the Russian military is moving towards the Polish border, to cut off supplies coming in from the west and stop people from leaving or entering Ukraine.

Fucking whoresons

My colleagues from work and I looked through our wardrobes and put together a truckload of warm clothes that a friend of one of my colleagues is taking by car to Ukranian fugitives in Romania tomorrow, and we're doing a second round next week, at the latest. I hope the Russians can't block that....

Fuck man, this all feels like fiction to me... I'm 44 years old and grew up near Point Alpha in Germany, I remember the Cold War and being scared of Russians as a kid... now my son ist going through the same shit. It's nice to see how much of a fight Ukraine is putting up. And I'm really suprised, like most Germans, that our new leadership is speaking harsh truths about what's going on, sending weapons to Ukraine, supporting big sanctions, and is increasing military funding and will meet the 2% quota mandated by NATO. Finally the days of the fucking "Tiki-Taka" of Merkel and her CDU are over!

PS. Anyone remember this book?

 

[Spacefish]

They have no plan

They have almost certainly been planning this thing for years if not over a decade. I think there were massive miscalculations on European unity and the severity of sanctions after getting away with Crimea. When you consider that the natural resources in eastern territories and a land bridge to Crimea are probably the main strategic goals their moves make some sense. I think it's wishful thinking to assume your enemy with a history of successful deceit has suddenly gone senile.

 

[Rest]

They are leaving their supposed high tech, expensive weapons stuck/out of fuel left and right...

That first one was stuck in the mud. They don't have 6x6s?

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

It is not that simple. Putting NATO/EU/US troops on the ground in Ukraine signals a MAJOR escalation unheard of in the past 50 years.

All credit to the fortitude and patience of the Baltic forces watching this. The urge to bootfuck Belarus has got to be enormous being right there.
They have situational awareness and know it's not time yet. Stay frosty.

 

[Forsete]

Will announce the sharing of your ultimate weapon



But seriously, give us a transcript afterwards please!

I will.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I believe so too in the current circunstances, but if NATO troops were to enter Ukraine, i'm not so sure.

They won't so it's a moot point.

 

[chromhound]

these men are from separatist regions of Ukraine and all worked in schools.

They were told by the directors of the school or by phone call that they had to report to the military depots to do some service 3-5 days. Essentially, sit at outposts and let some cars through. They all thought they’d lose their jobs if they didn’t go. Regardless, they chose to fight.

 

[Liljagare]

Probarly take with a grain of salt (almost impossible to see what is propaganda/what isn't atm), but would explain some parts of this:

 

[sinnergy]

They have almost certainly been planning this thing for years if not over a decade. I think there were massive miscalculations on European unity and the severity of sanctions after getting away with Crimea. When you consider that the natural resources in eastern territories and a land bridge to Crimea are probably the main strategic goals their moves make some sense. I think it's wishful thinking to assume your enemy with a history of successful deceit has suddenly gone senile.

He sure look senile ..

 

[NecrosaroIII]

At which point should this war be considered a proxy war? Is it already?

 

[Hypereides]

Amidst all sanctions, the very weak tech-word sanctions is appalling. Neither google, facebook/meta or apple are banning russian users or even the media outlets worldwide. The outlets are only banned in UE and russians can still normally access all sites.

If they were banned from whatsapp/youtube/facebook/gmail the uproar would be immense, and public pressure from inside of Russia can be very effective in changing the course of the war.

I expected more support from tech world, but I guess user count is more important to them.

Common Russian folks are using those platforms to share protest and their disapproval of the war. Banning the entire territory of Russia from social platforms would make those innocent people lose important channels of communication.

EDIT: nevermind, they seem to currently still be up and running.

 

[M1chl]

At which point should this war be considered a proxy war? Is it already?

Well I guess now that Agro Fuehrer* also fights, I guess it's proxy war. But wasn't started as such...

* Lukasenko

 

[Nobody_Important]

I wish you guys were right, but I think you are being over optimistic. This war is starting to get ugly as the Russian military are starting encircle these large population centers like Kyiv and Kharkiv, and are now raining down missiles, air strikes and artillery strikes into the heart of these cities.

There are reports now that the Russian military is moving towards the Polish border, to cut off supplies coming in from the west and stop people from leaving or entering Ukraine.

Putin was probably hoping the Ukrainians would crumble quickly, but now it is a matter of pride for Putin to bring home a win no matter what the cost. I think he is prepared to lord over a hole in the ground at this point.

There is no "win" anymore. Even if Russia takes Kyiv and all it's objectives it will just be a symbolic victory. Putin has turned Zelensky into a hero, has United the West, destroyed Russia's image, and completely destroyed the Russian economy. It will take at least a decade to even begin to recover from this clusterfuck.


Its like setting your house on fire and then doing a victory dance in your front yard because you finally killed the spider in the attic.

 

[chromhound]

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

He sure look senile ..

The exagerated distancing in the photos makes him look weak and isolated.

 

[Havoc2049]

I think most are over estimating Russia and Putin , it looks like a I’ll conceived plan .. wich would have worked 60 years ago .. but the world has moved on and changed . You think Ukrainians have no pride ? He is now in Urban Warfare land .. and a digital age , we will strip him of all the digital stuff ..

Is it though? From a military standpoint, Russian troops are making substantial gains into Ukraine. War isn't some instant gradification event. It took the combined forces of Germany and Russia five weeks to take over Poland at the begining of WWII. We are only a week into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Forsete]

Here are my short cliff notes from the Swedish PMs speech.

• More resources to the military (total defence)
• Prices are going up, will affect people.
• Swedish companies will be affected by this conflict.
• People should stay informed and not spread disinformation
• Do not spread information on military activity

 

[Mokus]

Makes me wander if Russia actually have an 800 thousand standing professional army.

 

[chromhound]

Makes me wander if Russia actually have an 800 thousand standing professional army.

i doubt it

 

[sinnergy]

Is it though? From a military standpoint, Russian troops are making substantial gains into Ukraine. War isn't some instant gradification event. It took the combined forces of Germany and Russia five weeks to take over Poland at the begining of WWII. We are only a week into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

There are numerous war experts they tell it looks badly organized.. and it already is taking to long ..

 

[ResilientBanana]

Look at the comments in this thread. Is this a Ruse or is Russia just this dumb? I just can't imagine a country's leader looking like this big of an imbecile. There has to be something else..

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Makes me wander if Russia actually have an 800 thousand standing professional army.

It's a good question.
It has been pointed out that the better part of the army could be being held back for different purposes such as further objectives or if NATO attacks.

 

[chromhound]

 

[sinnergy]

It's a good question.
It has been pointed out that the better part of the army is being held back for different purposes such as further objectives or if NATO attacks.

Wishful thinking.. it’s just this .. an old ass army . NATO will never attack unless he attacks a NATO country .. and I’ll bed we could destroy him pretty quickly . It looks like Russia should have kept it all a secret in being a army super power .. so that it could be a legend .. we now see the real Russia .

Apart from having old ass nukes it looks like a shitty army .

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

It's a good question.
It has been pointed out that the better part of the army is being held back for different purposes such as further objectives or if NATO attacks.

I still don't understand that last bit... NATO has been around quite awhile and it's been very obvious that it's just a self defense pact.

 

[Forsete]

Fuck.

 

[sinnergy]

Fuck.

Looks like he uses all the nasty old stuff against practically his own .. amazing

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Wishful thinking.. it’s just this .. an old ass army . NATO will never attack unless he attacks a NATO country .. and I’ll bed we could destroy him pretty quickly . It looks like Russia should have kept it all a secret in being a army super power .. so that it could be a legend .. we now see the real Russia .

Indeed. NATO has more sense than to attack.
My post was to offer some speculation as to the Russian motivation(however misplaced and paranoid) holding their own forces back.

I still don't understand that last bit... NATO has been around quite awhile and it's been very obvious that it's just a self defense pact.

Exactly. My thought is Russian tactics may be considering their actions in Ukraine, and maybe along other fronts, will draw NATO nations out from the horror of Russian war crimes.