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What are the rules of engagement when this happens in restricted airspace?
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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What are the rules of engagement when this happens in restricted airspace?
3liteDragon
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Ionian
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You think Trump would have done anything to stop this
Trump made a deal and said they were fine! Totally fine. Lovely Putin. A good man, very good man.
Christ I wish he wasn't banned off Twitter, would love to see him try to backtrack now. I'm sure people are falling over themselves laughing (again) at his stupidity, now, yet again. What a president.
FunkMiller
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I have been just sitting at my desk checking everything that I can for the last 45 minutes or so and I am just speechless at the level of just complete disregard for human life that Russia is displaying with this.
I mean we are seeing reports of explosions in cities that hold millions of people inside them. I'm already off tomorrow because of the winter storms that are coming through Texas at the moment so I think I'm just going to stay up pour myself a few drinks and just watch the second worst case scenario unfold.
It's not very often that you actually get to see history unfold live. Even if it is just a terrible history.
I mean we are seeing reports of explosions in cities that hold millions of people inside them. I'm already off tomorrow because of the winter storms that are coming through Texas at the moment so I think I'm just going to stay up pour myself a few drinks and just watch the second worst case scenario unfold.
It's not very often that you actually get to see history unfold live. Even if it is just a terrible history.
Xenon
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You think Trump would have done anything to stop this
I don't think he would have done as much to encourage it.
The US cutting it's oil production and becoming directly dependent to Russia for its energy needs made sanctions a lot less damaging.
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Xenon
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While the rest of the world was focused on a Twitter war Russia was planning for a real one
Celcius
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Whos that on the left?
3liteDragon
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Hitler.
Ionian
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Jesus.
Rules would be whatever local base scrambles to defend. Need clearance of course but superiors can give the command once they wait.
3liteDragon
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3liteDragon
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O-N-E
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>Biden’s in office
>It’s Trump’s fault even though no-one dared do shit while he’s in office
Craig of War
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If you think this is bad just be thankful you were not alive during World War 2
I disagree regarding Trump. While his words were smh at times regarding Putin, his actions were very different regarding 52 sanctions on Russia that Biden undid last year and he also strongly and publicly criticized Merkel for proceeding with the Nordstream 2 and a series of bombings in Syria that Putin was NOT happy about.
It wasn't coincidence that Putin acted when Obama was in office and now Biden. This is simply history repeating itself.
As it is said in many forms...
"Those who ignore the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat them."
3liteDragon
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O-N-E
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Buh buh buh but Trump!
MightySquirrel
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People seem to have insurmountable amount of trust in russian military to not hit any civilians as they are standing around or strolling on the streets without any care when their country is on attack. It's bizzare.
This is in capital live:
3liteDragon
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I just sit here thinking, it's 2022 and we're still doing shit like this? Haven't we learned anything? Haven't we moved beyond shit like this? Nope, at least Putin hasn't anyway.
FunkMiller
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I'll absolutely agree that the Trump administration's policy towards Russia was on better ground than Obama's or Biden's, but I will point out that the Trump administration also did nothing to clip Putin's wings in the four years it was in power. Too many American politicians of all stripes with their fat fucking fingers in too many pies that also benefitted Putin's regime. And Trump was one of them, I have no doubt.
There really is no point in Dems or Reps trying to score points off one another on this subject. Both sides are as abjectly responsible for this shit show as the other.
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3liteDragon
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KingGhidorah
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US and EU are now going to sanction Belarus
You know what ....FUCK ALL THESE STUPID GODDAMN SANCTIONS!!! it didn't work, and it won't work. they only impoverish and punish the people. it only make them more desperate and got nothing to lose for their future.
It didn't work with Hitler, it won't work now
You know what ....FUCK ALL THESE STUPID GODDAMN SANCTIONS!!! it didn't work, and it won't work. they only impoverish and punish the people. it only make them more desperate and got nothing to lose for their future.
It didn't work with Hitler, it won't work now
Halo is Back
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No partisan politics guys
Fare thee well
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The world continues with it's best effort to be a depressing place. I can't point fingers though. My country has invaded another country almost every decade.
I'm sorry for all the good people that will die. We're all just trying to carve out our lives and find our joy, but at the end of the day we are all run by sociopaths, hypocrites, and power seekers. Keep up your fight to be a good person amongst your fellow human beings, and never let that die.
I'm sorry for all the good people that will die. We're all just trying to carve out our lives and find our joy, but at the end of the day we are all run by sociopaths, hypocrites, and power seekers. Keep up your fight to be a good person amongst your fellow human beings, and never let that die.
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RoyalLaFlame
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So, what do you want them to do? Direct conflict? Are you crazy?
RAÏSanÏa
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Love, peace, grace and honour for those soldiers. Lest we forget.
Good on Ukraine for honouring them by publishing and not hiding it out of vanity as others have done and may intend to.
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Wheeljack539
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I've said the same and it's surreal.
Also about as surreal as Zelensky downplaying this for the past few weeks and this happens. So he's either incompetent, out of his depth or in a Shyamalan like twist let them in.
Lady Redfield
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FunkMiller
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They have to sanction the right people.
Ionian
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I was joking, sorry you have to post from a terminal as well.
> what OS do you use.
< can help
MightySquirrel
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Tbf you can't expect much from a guy who was a comedian before he was appointed to be president.
3liteDragon
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DragoonKain
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Have any military experts or analysts given their opinions on what the endgame for Russia is with this invasion? Is it territorial expansion? Is it to establish a Russian government in Ukraine? Is it something else?
FunkMiller
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I'd like to hear that too. 200,000 troops is not enough to take over a country of 40 million. I can only imagine his endgame depends on western reaction.
Gp1
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RoyalLaFlame
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Force the creation of a buffer zone would be my guess. Install a puppet government and call it a day.
Fair enough and thanks for the rational discussion. Of course we have to ask, what specific action/s did Putin take in those 4 years that warranted going beyond those sanctions?
Certainly nothing worth going to war for because both countries and several countries engage in cyber warfare to varying degrees.
As far as election interference, while two wrongs don't make a right, it's not like my home country hasn't ever engaged in such tactics. It's really standard fare.
I just hope that father time will catch up to Putin real soon. While his successor may not be any better, there is always the hope they will be far less intelligent or far more reserved in the level if aggression. I'm being optimistic there though.
E-Cat
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The saying goes that in Russia, a pack of cigarettes is worth more than a man's life.
Cyberpunkd
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Putin was always a bad hombre, but le great, great president managed to control him! Look what happens with Grandpa Biden on the job? Terrible, terrible things. Big explosions!
miles118
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Control ? What control ? Are you crazy ?
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Cyberpunkd
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It’s always been this way. Contrary to popular belief Russians are very Asian in this regard.
Japanese and killing of PoW, the great famine in China and Great Leap Forward, Stalin’s actions towards Ukraine in the 1930s, it’s all part of the same pattern.
Kittehkraken
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I bet getting Antonov under Russian control is on the list.
Hari Seldon
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It is a population play. Russia is a 3rd rate power with a stockpile of 1st rate power weaponry. In order to keep up with the US and China long term they need more people and more economic power.
BigBooper
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You're supposed to ignore the results and stick to the script.
FunkMiller
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Not that Putin gives much of a shit, but the MOEX has been suspended after absolutely fucking tanking.
He's going to impoverish his country for a patch of land he won't hold onto for long.
He's going to impoverish his country for a patch of land he won't hold onto for long.
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