Yeah, never trust anyone who has to say how they are being honest up front.
The big conspiracy theory they believe in is that the west that won WW2 no longer exists and has been subverted by Nazi infiltrators who have now joined up with Nazi sleeper cells in Ukraine. From the allies only Russia and China stand strong. That is what you are getting into if you go down this "just one battalion" rabbit hole.
I think a lot of this comes from how WW2 is taught in Russia and how they don't look at the dark side of their own history. Something similar is true in Britain, probably, and many people think that the old empire could come back overnight and the good people of the world would just open up their arms and welcome us back.
The US culture and western education in general does a shit job at explaining that CCCP did the heavy lifting on the western front in WW2. Most of the nazi casualties were done by communists as long as most of the killings full stop, it was a shit show on both sides.
WW2 wasn't this big heroic struggle for liberty and peace for the russian, it was a fight for survival. Their outlook is different than the US one that painted itself as the big liberator.
The T-80UM2 never led to quantity production and its presence in Ukraine remains mysterious.
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As an armoured vehicle enthusiast this one hurts, but within specific very autistic circles Ukraine has just destroyed a legend. Not to be confused with the "Black Eagle" as that never had a functioning turret, this was the real deal, and was essentially a one off "Ultimate T-80". This thing never belonged on a battlefield but should have been in a museum.
Well done Ukraine, this is akin to some one shooting down the prototype of the RAH-66 Comanche. Anouther Russian legend destroyed on your soil.
It's not looking hood for armored Warfare ATM, the defensive weapons are at a big advantage by being way cheaper and easier to use. I don't think most tanks would have faired any better, including most western ones.
No they were not misguided just people like yourself thinking you know what the leavers actually want.
They don't want to be ruled and governed thousands of miles away. I'm not getting into the brexit argument I cba. Just stop patronising people who did vote that way by thinking they were misled.
They understood the subsidies sent back to the UK were less than what they were putting in. They were a net contributor to the EU fact.
"Oh those silly uneducated, didn't know what they were voting for" ...choose your own choice of words here.
There is a big difference in philosophy between anglo-saxon Europe and the rest. Between short term interest and long term needs. There is a reason the UK wasn't invited a the beginning of the EU , they would probably have killed it right in the egg.
I think, like you, the leavers knew what they wanted and the short term consequences of that choice. And just like their view of the EU they are going to pay for their lack of vision long term.
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Absolutely fucking useless as a military force.
