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[FunkMiller]

Really... And you call my post a world salad)))

You are clearly not a Russian scholar n mostly is a Twitter Politics professor.
you completely missing the fact that this is not bout Ukraine.
NOBODY CARES bout it....not Putin, not Biden n *spoiler* you don't give a flying fuckiddy fuck bout those dead children ether.
and if you wanna punish people responsible for the horrible war crimes you should go to Washington first

IT is ENTIRELY bout killing US dollar as a world currency where China n stupidity of the current US leadership play even bigger role thAn Russia.

And while you virtue signaling bout children you don't give a fuck about n fantasizing bout Russia economy being destroyed, it is the western financial system with all of it's debt that is on a brink of collapse.

That what this war is bout.

And all of those sanctions west imposed just untied Putins hands to completely nationalise banking system, made the west pay 5x times more for the gas n support his national currency(ruble) by making everybody who buy Russian gas to pay in rubes. You probably didn't know, but ruble gained back 50% of the value it lost since the war started just in the last 2 days.

Udachi, tovarishch.

 

[darrylgorn]

NOBODY CARES bout it....not Putin, not Biden n *spoiler* you don't give a flying fuckiddy fuck bout those dead children ether.

What in the fuck?

 

[FunkMiller]

What in the fuck?

Pro-Russian troll.

Not a very good one.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Really... And you call my post a world salad)))

You are clearly not a Russian scholar n mostly is a Twitter Politics professor.
you completely missing the fact that this is not bout Ukraine.
NOBODY CARES bout it....not Putin, not Biden n *spoiler* you don't give a flying fuckiddy fuck bout those dead children ether.
and if you wanna punish people responsible for the horrible war crimes you should go to Washington first

IT is ENTIRELY bout killing US dollar as a world currency where China n stupidity of the current US leadership play even bigger role than Russia.

And while you virtue signaling bout children you don't give a fuck about n fantasizing bout Russia economy being destroyed, it is the western financial system with all of it's debt that is on a brink of collapse.

That what this war is bout.

And all of those sanctions west imposed just untied Putins hands to completely nationalise banking system, make the west pay 5x times more for the gas n support his national currency(ruble) by making everybody who buy Russian gas to pay in rubes. You probably didn't know, but ruble gained back 50% of the value it lost since the war started just in the last 2 days.

It is a war to destroy US dollar n as of now US is just about started to loose it.

But you can keep on juggling your Hitler metaphors n focusing on "saving" Ukraine.

go to bed

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I would hope we learned our lesson about regime change wars with Iraq. I hope.

 

[Mokus]

It covers the events of Ukrainian history during the Bolshevik revolution. Far from being the entire history of ukranians, but enough to shed light on this nation's existence for some of you here and to buy in to Putin's alternative history/propaganda.






Very interesting "bonus" history about the region that includes the territory today's Ukraine for those who like history:

 

[Von Hugh]

Really... And you call my post a world salad)))

You just gave yourself as being a Russian with that eyeless smiley face spam.

(As if your brainwashed thoughts and ideals were not a big enough hint.)

 

[EviLore]

Another Vice News feature from the ground, Inside Irpin:



(At 4:00) Ballsy Ukrainian bro using his car (with a bullet hole in the center of the windshield) to help civilians evacuate where it's too dangerous to leave on foot. He takes the Vice reporter into contested territory.

"Is it clear there?"

"There are soldiers."

"Our guys, yeah?"

"No."

"Not ours? ...............Okay, fuck it, God help us *slams accelerator*"

 

[bellome]

Really... And you call my post a world salad)))

You are clearly not a Russian scholar n mostly is a Twitter Politics professor.
you completely missing the fact that this is not bout Ukraine.
NOBODY CARES bout it....not Putin, not Biden n *spoiler* you don't give a flying fuckiddy fuck bout those dead children ether.
and if you wanna punish people responsible for the horrible war crimes you should go to Washington first

IT is ENTIRELY bout killing US dollar as a world currency where China n stupidity of the current US leadership play even bigger role than Russia.

And while you virtue signaling bout children you don't give a fuck about n fantasizing bout Russia economy being destroyed, it is the western financial system with all of it's debt that is on a brink of collapse.

That what this war is bout.

And all of those sanctions west imposed just untied Putins hands to completely nationalise banking system, make the west pay 5x times more for the gas n support his national currency(ruble) by making everybody who buy Russian gas to pay in rubes. You probably didn't know, but ruble gained back 50% of the value it lost since the war started just in the last 2 days.

It is a war to destroy US dollar n as of now US is just about started to loose it.

But you can keep on juggling your Hitler metaphors n focusing on "saving" Ukraine.

Ciao

 

[DustQueen]

Pro-Russian troll.

Not a very good one.

I am not Pro anything.
I am trying to tell you that this is not bout Ukraine.
It is a war against YOU. Orchestrated mostly by China.
And the more you ignore it in favour of internetsaving Ukrainian children, the happier Russia is.

 

[M1chl]

Another vice news piece on Ukraine. The reporter did back then, piece on Crimea situation.

 

[FunkMiller]

I am not Pro anything.
I am trying to tell you that this is not bout Ukraine.
It is a war against YOU. Orchestrated mostly by China.
And the more you ignore it in favour of internetsaving Ukrainian children, the happier Russia is.

Sure, Janov.

 

[EviLore]

Vice News is really putting in work. Some of it can be difficult to watch, but I appreciate seeing the world in stark unsanitized clarity.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Vice News is really putting in work. Some of it can be difficult to watch, but I appreciate seeing the world in stark unsanitized clarity.

Yep. It's pretty cool. I'm usually allergic to Vice for obvious reasons but they've really gone above and beyond as they say.

 

[M1chl]

Yep. It's pretty cool. I'm usually allergic to Vice for obvious reasons but they've really gone above and beyond as they say.

I think they have a good documentaries, if you don't look at those which are about USA. But in general, those are mostly done by different reporters, so it's easy to spot. Simon Ostrovsky's Ukraine documentaries from 2014 are pretty legendary.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I think they have a good documentaries, if you don't look at those which are about USA. But in general, those are mostly done by different reporters, so it's easy to spot. Simon Ostrovsky's Ukraine documentaries from 2014 are pretty legendary.

Their wrestling documentaries are great.

 

[EviLore]

Another vice news piece on Ukraine. The reporter did back then, piece on Crimea situation.

That phone call at 13-14 minutes. Russians drank the entire jug of kool-aid.

Ukrainian girl living in bombed out hellscape: "I would really like to know what you are being told there over the border. Will they keep this up?"

Russian aunt: "Nothing specific. The Nazis torture people. They show on TV how they abuse girls and youngsters. They rape and abuse them. Olya, they just hide that from you. The Russian forces are liberating Ukraine from Nazis."

Vice reporter: "Right now, we're in a bombed out building. Thousands of people are being killed. A lot of people are being injured. Millions of people are being separated from their family members. Do you still support president Putin?"

Russian aunt: "Oh, it's hard to say. Of course, I do because we have information saying they are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. In that case, of course everyone really supports Putin."

 

[Nikodemos]

All my facepalms.

 

[nush]

Really... And you call my post a world salad)))

You are clearly not a Russian scholar n mostly is a Twitter Politics professor.
you completely missing the fact that this is not bout Ukraine.
NOBODY CARES bout it....not Putin, not Biden n *spoiler* you don't give a flying fuckiddy fuck bout those dead children ether.
and if you wanna punish people responsible for the horrible war crimes you should go to Washington first

IT is ENTIRELY bout killing US dollar as a world currency where China n stupidity of the current US leadership play even bigger role than Russia.

And while you virtue signaling bout children you don't give a fuck about n fantasizing bout Russia economy being destroyed, it is the western financial system with all of it's debt that is on a brink of collapse.

That what this war is bout.

And all of those sanctions west imposed just untied Putins hands to completely nationalise banking system, make the west pay 5x times more for the gas n support his national currency(ruble) by making everybody who buy Russian gas to pay in rubes. You probably didn't know, but ruble gained back 50% of the value it lost since the war started just in the last 2 days.

It is a war to destroy US dollar n as of now US is just about started to loose it.

But you can keep on juggling your Hitler metaphors n focusing on "saving" Ukraine.

N

 

[Tams]

War? You mean special military operation, tovarisch.

Going meta for a second here, but I'm glad you and your mod team are on top of not letting here be turned into a cesspit by Russian trolls (or perhaps utterly misguided citizens - the difference doesn't really matter now).

Thank you.

 

[darth.shrimp]

Going meta for a second here, but I'm glad you and your mod team are on top of not letting here be turned into a cesspit by Russian trolls (or perhaps utterly misguided citizens - the difference doesn't really matter now).

Thank you.

I was just about to post for the first time in this thread to say just this. I haven't seen that many people banned on gaf since the "great migration"... and looking at the kind of bullcrap those people posted, it's probably for the best.

 

[Kenpachii]

those vice video's are hard to watch men

 

[Tams]

those vice video's are hard to watch men

Yeah. I'm not generally one for crying and seeing dead bodies doesn't really unsettle me. But seeing the suffering and immense human grief is too much.

 

[Resident_UA]

That phone call at 13-14 minutes. Russians drank the entire jug of kool-aid.

Ukrainian girl living in bombed out hellscape: "I would really like to know what you are being told there over the border. Will they keep this up?"

Russian aunt: "Nothing specific. The Nazis torture people. They show on TV how they abuse girls and youngsters. They rape and abuse them. Olya, they just hide that from you. The Russian forces are liberating Ukraine from Nazis."

Vice reporter: "Right now, we're in a bombed out building. Thousands of people are being killed. A lot of people are being injured. Millions of people are being separated from their family members. Do you still support president Putin?"

Russian aunt: "Oh, it's hard to say. Of course, I do because we have information saying they are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. In that case, of course everyone really supports Putin."

This has been a problem for decades. It's not even the fact that they support Putin. It's the fact that the only way they can justify bad economic situation in Russia by blaming and attacking others. Because if they held their government accountable there would be very little unity in Russia.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

At this point, I believe Russia wants to keep going until Ukraine has 0 weapons to attack this point.

 

[Mokus]

Makes me wonder if someone in command is undermining the russian army on purpose.

 

[Stitch]

At this point, I believe Russia wants to keep going until Ukraine has 0 weapons to attack this point.

 

[Nikodemos]

At this point, I believe Russia wants to keep going until Ukraine has 0 weapons to attack this point.

 

[Mokus]

Yeah, crazy numbers.

 

[Rentahamster]

Yeah, crazy numbers.

Here's hoping that one day it also says "1 dictator", preferably without any monkey paw shenanigans.

 

[Mokus]

Here's hoping that one day it also says "1 dictator", preferably without any monkey paw shenanigans.

As soon as possible. It would stop this war military operation.

 

[EviLore]

Keep in mind...

Note that Ukraine's air force, at less than 10% the size of Russia's and using older tech like the Su-27, is according to current reports mostly intact and operational over a month into the war. It's an impressive defense to say the least.

 

[Sakura]

At this point, I believe Russia wants to keep going until Ukraine has 0 weapons to attack this point.

This can't be real.
It's like when you keep producing units, but forgot to change the rally point in AoE or something.

 

[EviLore]

It's like when you keep producing units, but forgot to change the rally point in AoE or something.

May not be that far from what's happening. Russia's centralized command model is like being an RTS player. If the player isn't efficiently keeping up with every facet of the battlefield, or isn't paying sufficient attention to one corner of the map, or making poor judgments from the wide view, huge blunders start happening since the troops have very little autonomy and require direct orders to accomplish anything. This is what we're seeing reports of numerous times from Russian forces. Even straightforward scenarios, e.g. they get lost en route from A to B and basically give up since they don't know what to do.

The west uses decentralized command (aka mission command) and taught Ukraine how to operate in that paradigm. It discourages troop micromanagement and focuses on setting objectives for the troops to carry out with a degree of autonomy such that they can adapt to the circumstances on-site. It requires good training, creative thinking, and trust.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Keep in mind...

Note that Ukraine's air force, at less than 10% the size of Russia's and using older tech like the Su-27, is according to current reports mostly intact and operational over a month into the war. It's an impressive defense to say the least.

From what I have seen I doubt you could call all of Russia's equipment working.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Keep in mind...

Note that Ukraine's air force, at less than 10% the size of Russia's and using older tech like the Su-27, is according to current reports mostly intact and operational over a month into the war. It's an impressive defense to say the least.

Looks like Russian losses have crossed that 10% threshold on the hardware side. Hopefully sanctions are impacting the sectors that helps them replace those losses.

 

[Forsete]

Looks like Russian losses have crossed that 10% threshold on the hardware side. Hopefully sanctions are impacting the sectors that helps them replace those losses.

They already did.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So there's this crazy story making the rounds, I don't know if it's rooted on a truth, but I'll share because it's too ludicrous.

The story goes Putin gave the FSB a massive chunk of cash to bribe people in Ukraine and create a shadow cabal working to organize and uprising and a coup d'etá to be launched when Russia Invaded to facilitate the invasion. The FSB thinking not even Puting was crazy enough to annex Ukraine pilfered all the money and told Puting job done. Then some time later Putin goes and decides launches the attack - at this point the FSB scrambling for solutions decides to leak the invasion plans to both Ukraine and the USA as a way to generate enough of a resistance to justify why the supposed cabal decided to remain hidden and pass the blame to the military for failing to achieve objectives.

 

[Wildebeest]

So there's this crazy story making the rounds, I don't know if it's rooted on a truth, but I'll share because it's too ludicrous.

The story goes Putin gave the FSB a massive chunk of cash to bribe people in Ukraine and create a shadow cabal working to organize and uprising and a coup d'etá to be launched when Russia Invaded to facilitate the invasion. The FSB thinking not even Puting was crazy enough to annex Ukraine pilfered all the money and told Puting job done. Then some time later Putin goes and decides launches the attack - at this point the FSB scrambling for solutions decides to leak the invasion plans to both Ukraine and the USA as a way to generate enough of a resistance to justify why the supposed cabal decided to remain hidden and pass the blame to the military for failing to achieve objectives.

The alternative story, which is more mainstream, is that Putin was so determined not to be talked down from his illegal invasion, or leaked against, that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military. They didn't do ANY of the work that might make it a success because they were never told they had to prepare for it. And they also never had a chance to say it was not realistic. The main thing that convinced Anglo intelligence that it was real was a deeply weird video of Putin basically bullying and mocking his top advisers into saying that there were no good reason not to do it. One top intelligence guy was sweating and shaking as Putin laughed at him and corrected him like a naughty schoolboy. It is totally believable that Sergei Shoigu had a heart attack from the stress of working under a psycho like that.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

The alternative story, which is more mainstream, is that Putin was so determined not to be talked down from his illegal invasion, or leaked against, that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military. They didn't do ANY of the work that might make it a success because they were never told they had to prepare for it. And they also never had a chance to say it was not realistic. The main thing that convinced Anglo intelligence that it was real was a deeply weird video of Putin basically bullying and mocking his top advisers into saying that there were no good reason not to do it. One top intelligence guy was sweating and shaking as Putin laughed at him and corrected him like a naughty schoolboy. It is totally believable that Sergei Shoigu had a heart attack from the stress of working under a psycho like that.

That sounds more believable.

 

[chromhound]

 

[xellos2099alpha]

The alternative story, which is more mainstream, is that Putin was so determined not to be talked down from his illegal invasion, or leaked against, that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military. They didn't do ANY of the work that might make it a success because they were never told they had to prepare for it. And they also never had a chance to say it was not realistic. The main thing that convinced Anglo intelligence that it was real was a deeply weird video of Putin basically bullying and mocking his top advisers into saying that there were no good reason not to do it. One top intelligence guy was sweating and shaking as Putin laughed at him and corrected him like a naughty schoolboy. It is totally believable that Sergei Shoigu had a heart attack from the stress of working under a psycho like that.

WAsn't there a story where chinese knew the attack would come after the winter olympic? To be mroe precuse, chinese ask Russia wait till olympic is over before the invasion or was thatb alos a crazy theory someone come up?

 

[Sakura]

The alternative story, which is more mainstream, is that Putin was so determined not to be talked down from his illegal invasion, or leaked against, that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military. They didn't do ANY of the work that might make it a success because they were never told they had to prepare for it. And they also never had a chance to say it was not realistic. The main thing that convinced Anglo intelligence that it was real was a deeply weird video of Putin basically bullying and mocking his top advisers into saying that there were no good reason not to do it. One top intelligence guy was sweating and shaking as Putin laughed at him and corrected him like a naughty schoolboy. It is totally believable that Sergei Shoigu had a heart attack from the stress of working under a psycho like that.

I don't know about that. Considering what Russia did to Ukraine in 2014, and the other things they've done over the years (like the Russo-Georgian War), I don't see how everyone other than Putin could be completely caught off guard here. Ukraine is a much larger country for sure, but they still had to have known that something like this would happen. The when and the how might not have been exactly what they wanted though.

 

[funkygunther]

The alternative story, which is more mainstream, is that Putin was so determined not to be talked down from his illegal invasion, or leaked against, that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military. They didn't do ANY of the work that might make it a success because they were never told they had to prepare for it. And they also never had a chance to say it was not realistic. The main thing that convinced Anglo intelligence that it was real was a deeply weird video of Putin basically bullying and mocking his top advisers into saying that there were no good reason not to do it. One top intelligence guy was sweating and shaking as Putin laughed at him and corrected him like a naughty schoolboy. It is totally believable that Sergei Shoigu had a heart attack from the stress of working under a psycho like that.

if you’re referring to the spy chief, that was made public about a day before the invasion…it was probably filmed a few days before

but US intelligence had expected it since at least December, the main thing being the amount of troops that moved toward Ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

 

[Wildebeest]

WAsn't there a story where chinese knew the attack would come after the winter olympic? To be mroe precuse, chinese ask Russia wait till olympic is over before the invasion or was thatb alos a crazy theory someone come up?

There was a story about that, but it seems to be just total speculation. China had been stocking up on food supplies and warning regular people to stock up, but that is more easily explainable by their "unique" covid policy.

I don't know about that. Considering what Russia did to Ukraine in 2014, and the other things they've done over the years (like the Russo-Georgian War), I don't see how everyone other than Putin could be completely caught off guard here. Ukraine is a much larger country for sure, but they still had to have known that something like this would happen. The when and the how might not have been exactly what they wanted though.

I don't get this. It sounds to me like you are describing Ukraine attacking Russia. People in Ukraine were prepared for fighting because they had been fighting for years, but I don't think the average Ukrainian expected that something like this would actually happen. The Russian military would have been prepared to follow orders, and many had experience of this sort of warfare from Syria and Chechen, but the scale, logistics, tactics, strategic goals, intelligence, and so on, were all a total shambles. In the first days, for example, it is said they failed to get air superiority simply because their intelligence of which airfields were active was outdated.

 

[Sakura]

I don't get this. It sounds to me like you are describing Ukraine attacking Russia. People in Ukraine were prepared for fighting because they had been fighting for years, but I don't think the average Ukrainian expected that something like this would actually happen. The Russian military would have been prepared to follow orders, and many had experience of this sort of warfare from Syria and Chechen, but the scale, logistics, tactics, strategic goals, intelligence, and so on, were all a total shambles. In the first days, for example, it is said they failed to get air superiority simply because their intelligence of which airfields were active was outdated.

?
You said "that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military."
This is what I am disagreeing with. I'm saying the people in Moscow shouldn't have been surprised. I'm not talking about Ukraine's point of view.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Yeah, crazy numbers.

How much money would this cost if true? How much does an airplane cost?

 

[Wildebeest]

?
You said "that the attack was a total surprise to almost everyone in Moscow. FSB and military."
This is what I am disagreeing with. I'm saying the people in Moscow shouldn't have been surprised. I'm not talking about Ukraine's point of view.

I'm saying there was a lot of evidence of people really not being ready for this on the Russian side. They shouldn't have been surprised is one way of saying it, but it is more correct to say that it should just never have happened because it was crazy. It is like something an angry toddler came up with, not people with as much of a history of being smart as the Russians.

 

[Sakura]

How much money would this cost if true? How much does an airplane cost?

It depends on the plane really. Probably around 20-30 million for attack aircraft? At the same time though, much of this ageing equipment would have to be replaced by newer equipment in the future anyway, so losing a plane isn't really a 1 to 1 of losing the dollars it cost to make. It's money that has already been spent. Newer equipment is going to hurt more.
I have no idea on what the specific breakdown is for their equipment losses in the Ukrainian claim, though. There is this https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html if you want to take a look at the closest thing to confirmed losses (via photo evidence).

 

[Liljagare]

Its the weekend, I know, but, just seems for the reading, we are getting smacked by trolls on GAF too..