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[Dream-Knife]

Britain and France declared war when Germany invaded Poland, drawing in their colonies and starting the world war. Had the same principles applied here, UK would have declared war on Russia on invasion of Ukraine.

The only way the Polish invasion could be seen as directly touching Britain or France would have been fear of Hitler’s expansionist policies, but that’s still stretching the definition of directly.

Britain and France signed separate agreements with Poland. The British didn't form an agreement with Poland until 1939 after Hitler took the rest of Czechoslovakia. Prior to this, in the 1925 Lacarno Treaty normalized Germany's border, without securing it's eastern.

The French felt that it would be even more secure if there were also an "Eastern Locarno," if Germany would also guarantee its borders with Czechoslovakia and Poland. But Stresemann did not wish this at any price. He had implicitly agreed to the renunciation of Alsace-Lorraine, but the Polish Corridor, Danzig and Upper Silesia were another matter. And the British, certain that they would never go to war over Danzig, discreetly supported Stresemann in his resistance.

The Spirit of Locarno: Illusions of Pactomania on JSTOR

J. B. Duroselle, The Spirit of Locarno: Illusions of Pactomania, Foreign Affairs, Vol. 50, No. 4 (Jul., 1972), pp. 752-764

www.jstor.org

The irony is, the USSR invaded Poland as well, but waited to make sure the west wouldn't do anything and that Hitler would be successful. The after the war we just gave it to them anyway.

 

[Resident_UA]

In case anyone still believes that this is not all Russians below is what Russians in Germany up to. Any one of these fuckers would happily commit atrocities if an opportunity presented itself.

 

[akimbo009]

In case anyone still believes that this is not all Russians below is what Russians in Germany up to. Any one of these fuckers would happily commit atrocities if an opportunity presented itself.

Shhhh.... We're not allowed to say bad things about Germany apparently. Or at least, I'm not...

 

[Nikodemos]

In case anyone still believes that this is not all Russians below is what Russians in Germany up to. Any one of these fuckers would happily commit atrocities if an opportunity presented itself.

In fairness, that's a relatively small percentage of Russo-Germans. Most of the 2.5 million or so do not sympathize with Putler.

 

[Airbus Jr]

A deer with deep wounds after russia shelling in kyiv march 30

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Well....

You can't make it up: A Russian General Vladimir Shamanov declared the news of radiation poisoning from Chornobyl forest a fake because during WW2 there was an intense guerrilla activity there and nobody got any radiation poisoning.​

t.me/voynar...

 

[Resident_UA]

In fairness, that's a relatively small percentage of Russo-Germans. Most of the 2.5 million or so do not sympathize with Putler.

I mean I do understand that. But how the fuck these fuckers on the video can exist. Especially on a day when all these atrocities are being uncovered?!! They are pretty much dancing on the graves of civilians. And somehow there are still people who think that general Russian population is as much of the victims. If Russians in Germany feel this way imagine what Russians in Russia think. It's really NOT Putin's war. It's Russia's war and Putin just happened to be there.

 

[Airbus Jr]

I mean I do understand that. But how the fuck these fuckers on the video can exist. Especially on a day when all these atrocities are being uncovered?!! They are pretty much dancing on the graves of civilians. And somehow there are still people who think that general Russian population is as much of the victims. If Russians in Germany feel this way imagine what Russians in Russia think. It's really NOT Putin's war. It's Russia's war and Putin just happened to be there.

Putin still the catalyst of this war there wont be invasion if hes not in charge

Hope the tyroid cancer rumours of him are true and it put him out of misery asap

 

[strange headache]

The United States supported Ukraine joining NATO in 2008, but Germany vetoed the proposal. That shaped outcomes here more than any other factor. But it is what it is. There are opportunities for Germany to step up now.

In 2008, Ukraine was still reeling from the orange resolution and plagued by massive civil unrests. The NATO states were also in the midst of the War in Afghanistan which added further tensions with Russia so Bush's proposal got vetoed by Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Things were way different back then and as usual, hindsight is 20/20.

I think we keep forgetting that Merkel was Ukraine's most popular foreign politician. You are right in the regard that Merkel should have reversed the economic links and energy projects in the wake of Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, but so should have everybody else.

Scholz was heavily criticized for his limp reaction to Zelenskyy's speech at the German Bundestag when he was clapping to Zelenskyy directly telling him to do more...



Russia's invasion and the war atrocities that are being committed by their forces urges everyone to step up their game. Germany's army is in tatters and years of neglect have led to half of the Bundeswehr not even being ready for use. The recently instated Scholz is a weak president and wholly overwhelmed by the situation.

I hope Germany can do more and considering the current mood among their population, it will be forced to do more. Putting a ban on Russian oil imports (not gas) right now, could be one powerful measure, symbolically and financially. Unfortunately Germany's population elected the wrong government to handle this situation.

All of this is compounded by the fact that Germany will not act without the EU and EU decision-making is rather slow due to its complicated structure. That is another reason for a strong unified European military, so that the EU is finally able to act in situations like this. Europe desperately needs a unified foreign policy.

The pictures coming out from Bucha give even more reason for direct military intervention in Ukraine, not only from NATO's military perspective but also under international law and humanitarian intervention. There are now clear judicial precedent to classify this as an outright war of aggression, which would mandate direct intervention also under the banner of the United Nations. Throwing Russia out of the human rights council would be in order even if they have a permanent seat on the security council.

In case anyone still believes that this is not all Russians below is what Russians in Germany up to. Any one of these fuckers would happily commit atrocities if an opportunity presented itself.

900 people out of 2.5 million Russian-Germans...
Also the demonstration was announced as being a manifestation against Anti-Russian sentiment (not in support of Russia's invasion), so many of those protesters were not even sympathizing with the "Z".

Shhhh.... We're not allowed to say bad things about Germany apparently. Or at least, I'm not...

Reasoned criticism is never a bad thing, but your highly reductive hot takes add nothing to the conversation.
Otherwise you'd have bothered to actually look up the above tweet, instead of taking it as another reason for more of your antagonistic commentary.

 

[EviLore]

Mikhail Khodorkovsky, ex-oligarch who spent 10 years in Russian prison for defying Putin, assesses the current situation.




The only thing Putin respects is force. He concludes that Biden's statements will deter Russia's potential use of WMDs, but EU leaders stating that direct action is completely off the table encourages Putin to do whatever he wants.

"When Mr. Biden said that there's going to be an appropriate response to weapons of mass destruction, that's not a provocation for Putin, that's something that puts the brakes on his desires. And on the other hand, when Mr. Scholz and Mr. Macron say there's no way we should take part in a clash with Putin's forces, that actually encourages Putin to use weapons of mass destruction. This is a fundamental lack of understanding of [Putin]."

 

[Resident_UA]

In 2008, Ukraine was still reeling from the orange resolution and plagued by massive civil unrests. The NATO states were also in the midst of the War in Afghanistan which added further tensions with Russia so Bush's proposal got vetoed by Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Things were way different back then and as usual, hindsight is 20/20.

I think we keep forgetting that Merkel was Ukraine's most popular foreign politician. You are right in the regard that Merkel should have reversed the economic links and energy projects in the wake of Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, but so should have everybody else.

Scholz was heavily criticized for his limp reaction to Zelenskyy's speech at the German Bundestag when he was clapping to Zelenskyy directly telling him to do more...



Russia's invasion and the war atrocities that are being committed by their forces urges everyone to step up their game. Germany's army is in tatters and years of neglect have led to half of the Bundeswehr not even being ready for use. The recently instated Scholz is a weak president and wholly overwhelmed by the situation.

I hope Germany can do more and considering the current mood among their population, it will be forced to do more. Putting a ban on Russian oil imports (not gas) right now, could be one powerful measure, symbolically and financially. Unfortunately Germany's population elected the wrong government to handle this situation.

All of this is compounded by the fact that Germany will not act without the EU and EU decision-making is rather slow due to its complicated structure. That is another reason for a strong unified European military, so that the EU is finally able to act in situations like this. Europe desperately needs a unified foreign policy.

The pictures coming out from Bucha give even more reason for direct military intervention in Ukraine, not only from NATO's military perspective but also under international law and humanitarian intervention. There are now clear judicial precedent to classify this as an outright war of aggression, which would mandate direct intervention also under the banner of the United Nations. Throwing Russia out of the human rights council would be in order even if they have a permanent seat on the security council.



900 people out of 2.5 million Russian-Germans...
Also the demonstration was announced as being a manifestation against Anti-Russian sentiment (not in support of Russia's invasion), so many of those protesters were not even sympathizing with the "Z".



Reasoned criticism is never a bad thing, but your highly reductive hot takes add nothing to the conversation.
Otherwise you'd have bothered to actually look up the above tweet, instead of taking it as another reason for more of your antagonistic commentary.

The point is that happening in GERMANY. They watched the news and decided that today is the day. 900 out of 2.5 million is 900 too many.

 

[Resident_UA]

Putin still the catalyst of this war there wont be invasion if hes not in charge

Hope the tyroid cancer rumours of him are true and it put him out of misery asap

If you watch any of the Russian media over the past 20 years you will realize that Putin's rhetoric is very mild compared to some other politicians and Russians.

 

[Resident_UA]

In 2008, Ukraine was still reeling from the orange resolution and plagued by massive civil unrests.

What the actual FUCK?!! THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!! Ukraine was doing great before the recession in late 2000s but even then there were absolutely no major unrests! Why are you pedaling Russian propaganda?!!

EDIT: Like where did you even hear this bullshit? I didn't even hear any kind of bullshit from Russian propaganda and that's saying something.

 

[Nikodemos]

If you watch any of the Russian media over the past 20 years you will realize that Putin's rhetoric is very mild compared to some other politicians and Russians.

It's not. He's just using those sockpuppets to say stuff he doesn't want to say personally, for various international image reasons.

 

[Resident_UA]

It's not. He's just using those sockpuppets to say stuff he doesn't want to say personally, for various international image reasons.

Some of them were saying those things in 90s. When no one even knew who Putin was.

 

[EviLore]

Zelenskyy on Face the Nation this morning.




“Before the war, when there was a lot of free time, we were watching different films and also war movies. But we couldn’t have imagined anything like this. Because this is a maniac type of decision to destroy the whole nation.”

 

[Tams]

In 2008, Ukraine was still reeling from the orange resolution and plagued by massive civil unrests. The NATO states were also in the midst of the War in Afghanistan which added further tensions with Russia so Bush's proposal got vetoed by Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Things were way different back then and as usual, hindsight is 20/20.

I think we keep forgetting that Merkel was Ukraine's most popular foreign politician. You are right in the regard that Merkel should have reversed the economic links and energy projects in the wake of Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, but so should have everybody else.

Scholz was heavily criticized for his limp reaction to Zelenskyy's speech at the German Bundestag when he was clapping to Zelenskyy directly telling him to do more...



Russia's invasion and the war atrocities that are being committed by their forces urges everyone to step up their game. Germany's army is in tatters and years of neglect have led to half of the Bundeswehr not even being ready for use. The recently instated Scholz is a weak president and wholly overwhelmed by the situation.

I hope Germany can do more and considering the current mood among their population, it will be forced to do more. Putting a ban on Russian oil imports (not gas) right now, could be one powerful measure, symbolically and financially. Unfortunately Germany's population elected the wrong government to handle this situation.

All of this is compounded by the fact that Germany will not act without the EU and EU decision-making is rather slow due to its complicated structure. That is another reason for a strong unified European military, so that the EU is finally able to act in situations like this. Europe desperately needs a unified foreign policy.

The pictures coming out from Bucha give even more reason for direct military intervention in Ukraine, not only from NATO's military perspective but also under international law and humanitarian intervention. There are now clear judicial precedent to classify this as an outright war of aggression, which would mandate direct intervention also under the banner of the United Nations. Throwing Russia out of the human rights council would be in order even if they have a permanent seat on the security council.



900 people out of 2.5 million Russian-Germans...
Also the demonstration was announced as being a manifestation against Anti-Russian sentiment (not in support of Russia's invasion), so many of those protesters were not even sympathizing with the "Z".



Reasoned criticism is never a bad thing, but your highly reductive hot takes add nothing to the conversation.
Otherwise you'd have bothered to actually look up the above tweet, instead of taking it as another reason for more of your antagonistic commentary.

Cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope.

It doesn't change that Putin outright bullied Merkel. And that Merkel and her coalition greatly compromised their energy security willingly and unnecessarily.

I don't understand why you can't accept that a lot of continental Europe naively misjudged Russia and Putin very badly. Until literally just a couple of weeks ago, and may still be being naïve even now.

As for those German-Russians. That's still 900 too many and I don't see a single police officer there. And who knows how many more are sympathetic to them.

 

[M1chl]

I gotta say, that today war got me good mentally. I found out that one of my colleague (well as far as you can get, with online work) was killed near Kiyv.

 

[Mokus]

 

[Resident_UA]

In 2008, Ukraine was still reeling from the orange resolution and plagued by massive civil unrests.

I just want check again on where did you pull this bullshit from. It's something I have not even seen from Russian propaganda and it's easily verifiable. It really bugs me that you can post something this ridiculous. I mean I was in Ukraine in 2008. To say that this pure nonsense is an understatement.

 

[strange headache]

I gotta say, that today war got me good mentally. I found out that one of my colleague (well as far as you can get, with online work) was killed near Kiyv.

I feel for you. Had a couple of work-related colleagues being forced to flee the country. Luckily they have family abroad, but still being uprooted like that is nothing than you can shake off that easily. Our local community has transformed an abandoned school into a temporary refugee center. We are in the process of welcoming Ukrainian war refugees in order to provide them with basic necessities in view of relocating them to more permanent accommodations. Lots of locals are helping out there on a voluntary basis.

Two weeks ago, I had a woman at the school center just standing next to a crib that was donated by local residents, sobbing weeping silently into herself. It's an image I wish I could get out of my head.

 

[TwinB242]

Russia's Defense Ministry has rejected the claims of atrocities against civilians in Bucha and other suburbs of Kyiv as a 'provocation'.

The ministry says that 'not a single civilian has faced any violent action by the Russian military' in Bucha.

Its baffling that they can come out and say this kind of thing with a straight face. And the Russians back home will probably buy it up like the rest of their government's propaganda. Nothing about this country is redeemable.

 

[M1chl]

I feel for you. Had a couple of work-related colleagues being forced to flee the country. Luckily they have family abroad, but still being uprooted like that is nothing than you can shake off that easily. Our local community has transformed an abandoned school into a temporary refugee center. We are in the process of welcoming Ukrainian war refugees in order to provide them with basic necessities in view of relocating them to more permanent accommodations. Lots of locals are helping out there on a voluntary basis.

Two weeks ago, I had a woman at the school center just standing next to a crib that was donated by local residents, sobbing weeping silently into herself. It's an image I wish I could get out of my head.

You are from where if I may ask?

 

[Resident_UA]

I feel for you. Had a couple of work-related colleagues being forced to flee the country. Luckily they have family abroad, but still being uprooted like that is nothing than you can shake off that easily. Our local community has transformed an abandoned school into a temporary refugee center. We are in the process of welcoming Ukrainian war refugees in order to provide them with basic necessities in view of relocating them to more permanent accommodations. Lots of locals are helping out there on a voluntary basis.

Two weeks ago, I had a woman at the school center just standing next to a crib that was donated by local residents, sobbing weeping silently into herself. It's an image I wish I could get out of my head.

Could you reply to my question above?

 

[speckz]

 

[Braag]

Man, the images and videos coming out of Bucha are beyond barbaric. Like some seriously sickening atrocities done to the Ukrainian civilians.

 

[Resident_UA]

More nice Russians.

 

[EviLore]

New WaPo vid from Andriivka, a village occupied by the Russians.

Homes and dead civilians are mined. Many young people are missing. Mass looting took place. They took vodka and raped the girls. Randomly shot civilians for fun. Tortured women and children and then executed them.




When they left, they placed munitions in homes and set them on fire without telling the homeowners. The man interviewed narrowly escaped with his wife when they did it to their home.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

No words for the shit in Bucha. Russia should be shunned like north korea for ages. Never allow a Russian to set foot on western soil again. Fuck them all.

 

[asustitan]

removed

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

removed

Do you expect me to reply to this with anything but fuck off?

 

[MadAnon]

George Galloway is suggesting Bucha incidents could be a false flag.

There has not been direct evidence to suggest it has happened.
But there has been evidence to suggest it was a false flag. "Corpses waving a hand as the trucked go by, or the same corpse sitting up in the rear view mirror once the filming vehicle has passed".

I'm not saying either way, just as we had in Syria you cannot rule anything out in these times.

So when you will stop swallowing your daily dose of russian apologist propoganda?

The whole "moving hand" thing came from a purposefully low res excerpt. Meanwhile the original footage clearly showed a glare moving over a windshield.

Just to show you the very bottom of the barrel tricks you are falling for...



Kindly, Fuck off!

 

[sinnergy]

New WaPo vid from Andriivka, a village occupied by the Russians.

Homes and dead civilians are mined. Many young people are missing. Mass looting took place. They took vodka and raped the girls. Randomly shot civilians for fun. Tortured women and children and then executed them.




When they left, they placed munitions in homes and set them on fire without telling the homeowners. The man interviewed narrowly escaped with his wife when they did it to their home.

They will be held accountable, if not by court , they will feel it all when their time comes to pay their debt , with natural death or some other way . In the end it will be their demons they have to life with.

it’s all very outrageous.. what I am reading . I hardly can comprehend that the soldiers are human ..

 

[akimbo009]

Zelensky invites Merkel, Sarkozy to Bucha to look at results of concessions to Russia

President Volodymyr Zelensky has invited former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who led the nations during the 2008 Bucharest NATO summit, to visit Bucha to see what policy of concessions to Russia has led to. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

Just an unreasoned hot take...

 

[Resident_UA]

So when you will stop swallowing your daily dose of russian apologist propoganda?

The whole "moving hand" thing came from a purposefully low res excerpt. Meanwhile the original footage clearly showed a glare moving over a windshield.

Just to show you the very bottom of the barrel tricks you are falling for...



Kindly, Fuck off!

Why even bother disproving their bullshit? They will just come up with something else. Bombing of maternity hospital is a perfect example. It went from "we didn't bomb it" to "we bombed it because it was a Nazi base" to "we bombed it but no one was hurt and the women were actors" back to "we didn't bomb it and it was maternity ward but women there know it wasn't a plane"

 

[akimbo009]

Why even bother disproving their bullshit? They will just come up with something else. Bombing of maternity hospital is a perfect example. It went from "we didn't bomb it" to "we bombed it because it was a Nazi base" to "we bombed it but no one was hurt and the women were actors" back to "we didn't bomb it and it was maternity ward but women there know it wasn't a plane"

There isn't. If it was ever debatable it isn't now... Russia is a pariah state and led by a terrorist regime.

It's unfair that the Ukrainians have to die because of this. And I'm sorry, every dollar you spend on Russian gas and goods is a dollar going to a murdering regime. Ukrainians are dying for their freedom - and I'm certain other can sacrifice more to help ensure their victory and not be morally compromised. And yes, it's easy to say but it is the only way.

Also, at this point there is no way we let Russia win this war. Sooner we accept that more may need to be done I hope we get more aggressive in directly discouraging Russia. I'm not convinced that Russia won't go ahead and drop a nuke - they're beyond civilized at this point. MAD I don't think applied any longer.

 

[gradient]

So when you will stop swallowing your daily dose of russian apologist propoganda?

The whole "moving hand" thing came from a purposefully low res excerpt. Meanwhile the original footage clearly showed a glare moving over a windshield.

Just to show you the very bottom of the barrel tricks you are falling for...



Kindly, Fuck off!

Yeah, this conspiracy has been big on sites like 4chan and kiwifarms. They're posting and reposting it as definitive proof along with a bunch of other conspiracy nonesense. Funny thing is they post it as if it proves they are more critical minded and aware than everyone else yet display no critical thinking when assessing such claims.

It's quite an eye opener seeing just how easily manipulated the posters on the more extreme sites are and how effective even just a bit of misinformation can be in turning a whole lot of their users into willing and easily manipulated drones.

 

[Wildebeest]

Found some shocking, very real footage of a brave freedom fighter suffering from NATO expansion related trauma.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Seeing this shit in Bucha Russia needs to be pummelled into the stone ages until they can prove they aren't being run in a dictatorship by lunatics anymore (maybe 2040). The soldiers are outright barbarians.

If India and China take over Europes role purchasing oil and gas they also need to be punished by the collective western world.

 

[Mokus]

The United States supported Ukraine joining NATO in 2008, but Germany vetoed the proposal. That shaped outcomes here more than any other factor. But it is what it is. There are opportunities for Germany to step up now.

In 2008 Ukraine was still a very divided country. The disappointed poorer western side, with more hegemonic ukranians, becoming more and more pro westerners. Meanwhile the richer eastern side, with Russian "minority" (over 6 million) wanting to stay in the Russian sphere of influence. Hence why the pro-russian Yanukovych was able to win the presidential elections in 2010, being accepted as a fair win even by international observers. Ukraine joining NATO back than could have been Russia's Trojan Horse in to the military alliance. Not to mention, in 2008 the US president was still George W. Bush who just few years back lied to the NATO allies, including Germany, about the Iraki chemical weapons.


Why I'm saying Trojan Horse? Look how far the a Russian spy infiltrated the Estonian military:


Even after the war, ukranian army still can be more easily infiltrated by Russian spies and compromise US intelligence. There is (or was?) a lot of Russian activity in some of the former comunist countries who are NATO/EU members. Prague was considered a Russian spy hub in to the western Europe for a while until "relationships" deteriorated and unlike Estonia and Ukraine, Czechia ( ) doesn't have russian minority.

 

[nemiroff]

I mean I was in Ukraine in 2008

I actually got married in Ukraine in 2008 - High five! Anyway, yeah the "civil unrest" at that time seemed to me to mostly be peaceful gatherings of people. I remember walking past the people with lots of big orange flags flapping in the wind when I was strolling around in Kyiv (man, I used to visit Kyiv several times a year for more than a decade.. wow the memories.. what a great city).

 

[Facism]

george galloway lmao. Yeh it's a false flag mate when Russian armed forces do this shit everywhere they go, even when they're there as "wagner"

 

[Mokus]

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[Deleted member 1159]

george galloway lmao. Yeh it's a false flag mate when Russian armed forces do this shit everywhere they go, even when they're there as "wagner"

Nyet nyet, truth is where Russian goes, people rape and murder selves due to jealousy of great Russian glory

 

[StreetsofBeige]

And with all the hardcore stuff happening last past month, that's why the world should cracked down on Russia right from the beginning instead of hoping supply drops and sanctions would work. As many people expected, Putin would get more hardcore and it's played out that way vs. the first few weeks where it was more controlled attacks and Russian solders were considerate enough to go around Ukraine roadblocks. Now, it seems they got the freedom to run amuck killing.

Just like festering truck driving strikes at Parliament Hill and Seattle CHOP zone etc.... when you let this shit go uncontrolled it'll likely get worse. The initial thinking is.... "well, lets not get too involved because maybe it'll solve itself or the aggressors will lose interest". Not going to happen.

"Oh look, Russian logistics seem pretty shit. Maybe if Ukraine holds out long enough, they'll win by attrition!"

What will probably happen to solve it (just like the above) is the rest of the world IMO will get more involved with security and soldiers to put an end to it. It should had been like this from the first week.

Or perhaps, unlike some of the other politically motivated stuff the past few years where local governments solved it, the world wont really do anything and let Russia and Ukraine battle it out on their own until one loses.

 

[Celcius]

New WaPo vid from Andriivka, a village occupied by the Russians.

Homes and dead civilians are mined. Many young people are missing. Mass looting took place. They took vodka and raped the girls. Randomly shot civilians for fun. Tortured women and children and then executed them.




When they left, they placed munitions in homes and set them on fire without telling the homeowners. The man interviewed narrowly escaped with his wife when they did it to their home.

After all this…. Yeah, give Ukraine those planes. Trying to play fair in a war isn’t possible. These crimes are horrible. More sanctions are needed as well, and they should be kept in place for a century before we even consider removing them.

 

[FunkMiller]

That is another reason for a strong unified European military, so that the EU is finally able to act in situations like this. Europe desperately needs a unified foreign policy.

A strong unified European military? We had that for years. Until the EU started to pick holes in it.

Am I allowed to point out that the EU has been undermining NATO for years now? Can I mention the Pesco agreement? The fact that most EU countries in NATO have not spent the 2% they should have, sending a clear signal to Putin? How about Macron’s statement that NATO is ‘brain dead?’ Juncker’s clamouring for an EU army in 2015? The same with Von Der Leyen? You think Putin didn’t hear any of that?

Or is that too ‘reductive’ for you?

You‘re fully entitled to your opinion here, but quit it with this ‘reductive’ nonsense every time someone points out the unlovely facts about the EU’s actions of the last few years. You’re starting to sound like someone who’s been brainwashed.

Those of us outside the EU are fully entitled to criticise its actions in relation to this invasion. God knows people in the EU have had no problems finger wagging at the rest of us for years about poor foreign policy decisions (Deservedly so in some cases).

EDIT: It would probably be useful for you to read this Twitter thread from Zelensky's latest speech, and his thoughts on the EU's approach to Ukraine:

 

[Sub_Level]

Hard to see how Putin can ever set foot outside of Russia again apart from the usual suspects of China, Syria and a few other despotic shit rolling out the welcome mat.

From what I understand some latin american countries also arent exactly anti russia. Mexico too iirc.

 

[FunkMiller]

From what I understand some latin american countries also arent exactly anti russia. Mexico too iirc.

This is where America needs to step up. They need to make it clear that any country that provides sanctuary or support to Putin’s Russia is considered an enemy of the United States, and will face punitive economic action. That’s how far this has got.

 

[Darchaos]

Slava Ukraini, that is all.