akimbo009
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Glad to see something though. More of this. Germany may not realize it, but Russia has already declared war on them indirectly and is threatening them. Ukraine may be doing the dying, but the fight is real.
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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Glad to see something though. More of this. Germany may not realize it, but Russia has already declared war on them indirectly and is threatening them. Ukraine may be doing the dying, but the fight is real.
Germany unconditionally surrendered. The people responsible for the atrocities were killed or imprisoned. 46% of Germany’s male population died. The country reformed into a western democracy and paid reparations (and still does today to survivors of Nazi war crimes).
None of that will be happening with Russia.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Some people will say that Zelensky is grandstanding and that he is using this massacre as a tool for political pressure and they would be right, but I have no choice but to respect his decision to do so given circumstances. They need all the help they can get and he knows that if his maneuvering gets more food, more weapons, and more medical supplies then it will be worth it.
I've said it before but this man is showing in real time what happens when you have the right person in office at the right time. Someone specifically geared to handle the crisis in front of them in the moment. The fact that it's a former comedic actor in this position just makes it that much more impressive to me.
strange headache
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Exactly.
Germany has already taken significant steps to cut off Russian energy imports:
They have also put Gazprom Germania under state control and Russia's oil incumbent Rosneft will be next!
The EU has voted a plan to reduce Russian imports by two thirds before end of the year. This is a monumental task considering that western Europe has not many natural resources of its own and is in the middle of its renewable energy transition. More needs to be done and more will be done, but these are complicated tasks if you don't want to also completely kill of your own economy and make your own people suffer. This whole narrative in this thread that nothing is being done are nothing more but reductive and uninformed hot takes designed to rile people up against us Europeans.
Russia is already shifting its exports towards China and other markets anyway. Suddenly cutting Germany off from gas and oil without any alternative would be much more devastating for the Germans than it would be for Putin. Ukraine needs military help, but it also needs economic support, right now and also once the conflict is over. Gas is not only used for heating homes (those of refugees included btw), but also to produce goods. How do people suggest Europe will be able to help rebuild Ukraine when its own economy and production capacity lies in ruins?
It's easy to judge from the other side of the Pond, but we're the ones living with Russia close by.
We don't always agree, but this is absolutely correct. Well said!
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Fucking animals. One of the ones I saw this morning being spread around was of a man laying dead with a sack of potatoes. The guy was trying to get food and was murdered for it.NSFW more russia brutality in bucha. Women underwear scatered everywhere on streets.
Dont open if youre mentally not ready
It's haunting.
Bitmap Frogs
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jonnyp
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I saw reports that Germany may require up to three years to fully disentangle from Russian energy dependence. The real game with sanctions is long-term effects, so while it’s not the boldest move, it’s something, and it sounds like real effort is being put into the measures taken now.
India and China will buy all the cheap Russian energy afterwards, but it will still have an economic impact and perhaps more importantly change the political power dynamics in Europe.
India and China will buy all the cheap Russian energy afterwards, but it will still have an economic impact and perhaps more importantly change the political power dynamics in Europe.
M1chl
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Angela "it was unfair to kick out German citizens from Sudenteland" Merkel? Yeah I am sure she is listening....
akimbo009
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Zelensky is European, and not a pond away, and saying the same things a lot of us are saying. I don't understand what your doing other than hand waving away the circumstances.
I mean, I think you also agree Germany fucked up considering you're agreement with the video and follow up comments.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
akimbo009
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Yeah but fuck India and China too. It's strange bedfellows for sure, but if India maintains long term economic dependencies with oil and military adherence to Russia this won't just be a political power dynamic change for Europe, but the globe.... Which is Putin's real goal here, and could happen regardless of any win/loss condition in Ukraine.
jonnyp
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Don't give a shit if she's listening or not. I hope Europe is listening and history actually records her awful legacy.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
M1chl
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What the fuck are they still doing there anyway, Germany fucking sucks
Wildebeest
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The long term geopolitical results of this conflict are hard to guess, especially with the big players being so erratic and irrational. I think what we should be really terrified of is the possibility of famine breaking out in many regions by the end of this year, and possibly even growing as a problem next year. All the horsemen might come out to play this decade.
akimbo009
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Good, now revoke citizenship of Schroeder.
While we are ganging up Germany, appropriately so, France still hanging out in the shadows.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
To the surprise of no one Russia turns out to be completely full of shit.
M1chl
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That is true, however nobody likes France, that's constant.
Wildebeest
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Don't worry, this whole crisis will be resolved when Macron gives Putin a very mild talking to where he strategically rolls over and shows the brutal gangster his belly while wagging his tail.
Nikodemos
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Macron can't really do anything until after he sees himself with another term as President. French politics are notoriously shit, and percentage advantages can evaporate overnight.
Wildebeest
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I understand that Marine Le Pen has a very real chance of winning. French voters prepared to vote for open fans of a genocidal gangster if they lie about being able to lower cost of living.
akimbo009
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Yes, she does seem to have a chance. She's pro-Putin & Russia, and that doesn't seem to dissuade the French from voter for her. Hungary voted for Orban. Hard to have a lot of confidence right now in the EU holding their shit together if the people voting actually are voting for Russian goons.
speckz
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Resident_UA
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Zelensky is a populist. Which not the best option for internal politics. But in times of war it's exactly what you need. There are no gray areas when defending in a war. And on top of it he knows how to use social media and has huge balls. So for now he can do whatever he wants and when Russia is defeated I'm sure Ukrainians find reasons not to like him really fast. That's what democracy is good for.
See Putin lives in the 50s.. we can see it all .. but their government will say , it’s photoshop.
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Liljagare
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Shocking videos showed on national Swedish news tonight, showing the atrocities mentioned in this thread, and more. Swedish journalists have managed to get on the forefront, and are documenting, warcrime after warcrime, rape after rape, raped children, and killed parents.
I hope the data dump from Anonymous is real, so that each of theese Nazi worthy crimes can be pursued when Russia looses this conflict.
And Russians that keep supporting this, I hope they get the same treatment as the Nazi supporters after WW2. Or, actually not, no death sentences, let them rot on a abandonded island for the rest of their life. Or, ship them to North Korea.
Russians, are just not going to have a fun future. The world is finally and slowly waking up again. So sad it took this particular incident for it to happen.
(Next, we all need to support Africa, and South American nations. Enough, is enough.)
I hope the data dump from Anonymous is real, so that each of theese Nazi worthy crimes can be pursued when Russia looses this conflict.
And Russians that keep supporting this, I hope they get the same treatment as the Nazi supporters after WW2. Or, actually not, no death sentences, let them rot on a abandonded island for the rest of their life. Or, ship them to North Korea.
Russians, are just not going to have a fun future. The world is finally and slowly waking up again. So sad it took this particular incident for it to happen.
(Next, we all need to support Africa, and South American nations. Enough, is enough.)
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Bitmap Frogs
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Looks like he aged one standard 8 year US presidency in a month.
I often wonder how his training as a performer is helping him lead and inspire.
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Resident_UA
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that's not the point. the point is to create so many bullshit versions that people get confused what the facts are and literally don't believe anything. that's why even disproving this nonsense is just a waste of time. I mean they literally said on Russian TV today that US picked Bucha to stage the atrocities because Biden called Putin butcher...
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Bitmap Frogs
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Yeah but war president/first ministers are remembered forever.
Who succeeded Churchill? Who knows, who cares. But Churchill, ah, his memory will last as long as our civilization lasts.
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Resident_UA
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Yes. Also I think even Russia realized early on that assassinating him would achieve literally nothing. If anything it would turn him into martyr. He played it perfectly and he deserves any monuments that will be built for him in the future as long as he doesn't give up too much in negotiations...
chromhound
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Killing everything on sight i see
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Expel them out of the end of a cannon into the sea.
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This made me physically ill.
Gp1
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Everyone in Bucha has those three layers of bags under their eyes. The eyes say everything.
Thousand-yard stare - Wikipedia
I don't want to even see images of other cities like Mariupol etc.
Pegasus Actual
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Re: Germany's dependence on Russian energy
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Tbh you can't even call Mariupol a city anymore. It's more like a large collection of ruins now. Completely unfit for human population. What Russia did there is monstrous.Thousand-yard stare - Wikipedia
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I don't want to even see images of other cities like Mariupol etc.
akimbo009
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It does. It's rage inducing. And yeah, start a fucking fire or plug in your damn electric heaters or whatever - do fucking SOMETHING EU. And people trying to tell me I'm the "reductive asshole" for saying it's bullshit that Germany single sourced their oil with ZERO contingency plan? Cause if they had a plan, they should doing that... but they aren't. Blood is in them barrels.
Dude was an idiot, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see what Germany has done.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yep it's similar to how Churchill was an amazing wartime prime minister and a very below average one during peace time.
FunkMiller
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I note the full throated defenders of the EU are ignoring this, which I guess is understandable.
However, the fact the man at the centre of this horror show is repeatedly calling out the actions of the major EU governments cannot, and should not be ignored.
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