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[FunkMiller]

Yep it's similar to how Churchill was an amazing wartime prime minister and a very below average one during peace time.

Churchill was 76 and had had several strokes by the time he came back to power. It’s not really fair to compare his capabilities at that stage with when he was a younger, stronger man. A strong argument can be made that he should never have taken power again, but not that he wouldn’t have been a better peacetime PM if he had been fit.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I note the full throated defenders of the EU are ignoring this, which I guess is understandable.

However, the fact the man at the centre of this horror show is repeatedly calling out the actions of the major EU governments cannot, and should not be ignored.

It absolutely deserves to be called out, but you have to at least somewhat understand the position that Germany in particular is in. It's much easier for places like Lithuania, canada, and the US to completely sever ties with Russian oil. That's because they were never that reliant on it in the first place. And don't get me wrong I understand that it is 100% Germany's own fault for making itself so reliant on foreign energy that they end up in a position like this.


Germany by way of its own stupidity has basically put itself in a lose-lose situation. Either they continue to take Russian oil and have to deal with the horrible PR that goes along with it. Or they cut themselves off entirely and crater their economy.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah but war president/first ministers are remembered forever.

Who succeeded Churchill? Who knows, who cares. But Churchill, ah, his memory will last as long as our civilization lasts.

Jesus Christ. Clement Attlee replaced Churchill. He founded the NHS, the most famous and highly regarded free health service in the world.

Maybe some of you should either read your British history a little closer, or not comment on it?

 

[FunkMiller]

It absolutely deserves to be called out, but you have to at least somewhat understand the position that Germany in particular is in. It's much easier for places like Lithuania, canada, and the US to completely sever ties with Russian oil. That's because they were never that reliant on it in the first place. And don't get me wrong I understand that it is 100% Germany's own fault for making itself so reliant on foreign energy that they end up in a position like this.


Germany by way of its own stupidity has basically put itself in a lose-lose situation. Either they continue to take Russian oil and have to deal with the horrible PR that goes along with it. Or they cut themselves off entirely and crater their economy.

I’m not talking about about oil or gas now. I’m talking about Germany’s refusal to allow Ukraine to join NATO, because they didn’t want to annoy Russia, because they wanted their gas and oil. That’s what Zelensky is talking about. The UK and the US wanted Ukraine to be allowed to join. France and Germany prevented it, just because they wanted closer ties with Russia - despite being warned about it by the US and the UK. This was in 2008.

 

[Resident_UA]

It absolutely deserves to be called out, but you have to at least somewhat understand the position that Germany in particular is in. It's much easier for places like Lithuania, canada, and the US to completely sever ties with Russian oil. That's because they were never that reliant on it in the first place. And don't get me wrong I understand that it is 100% Germany's own fault for making itself so reliant on foreign energy that they end up in a position like this.


Germany by way of its own stupidity has basically put itself in a lose-lose situation. Either they continue to take Russian oil and have to deal with the horrible PR that goes along with it. Or they cut themselves off entirely and crater their economy.

But why not ban Russian oil? Oil is replaceable unlike gas.

 

[Lord Panda]

 

[Pagusas]

Jesus Christ. Clement Attlee replaced Churchill. He founded the NHS, the most famous and highly regarded free health service in the world.

Maybe some of you should either read your British history a little closer, or not comment on it?

I think the point he's trying to make is, regardless of nationality or history knowledge, most humans know the name Churchill. Just like even if you arent american, most humans know the name George Washington, but I'd argue few know the name Millard Fillmore. War time presidents/leaders get like +1000 in terms of historical recognition. Peace time leaders far less.

 

[akimbo009]

But why not ban Russian oil? Oil is replaceable unlike gas.

You know why.... shame others won't admit it. It's OK to make mistakes - all countries make mistakes - but what I don't get is the adamant defense of these decisions. It's one thing to make mistakes, but just take accountability.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think the point he's trying to make is, regardless of nationality or history knowledge, most humans know the name Churchill. Just like even if you arent american, most humans know the name George Washington, but I'd argue few know the name Millard Fillmore. War time presidents/leaders get like +1000 in terms of historical recognition. Peace time leaders far less.

Yeah, fair point. I think I just baulked at the 'who cares?' bit!

 

[FunkMiller]

You know why.... shame others won't admit it. It's OK to make mistakes - all countries make mistakes - but what I don't get is the adamant defense of these decisions. It's one thing to make mistakes, but just take accountability.

I think it's rather demonstrative of the EU's famous inability to admit fault, and its high handed arrogance towards other nations and organisations.

I know the accepted rationale behind Brexit is that it happened because Britain is full of racists and little Englanders, but I know an awful lot of people who saw this attitude over many years, and that informed their decision.

 

[rnlval]

Zelenskyy speaking from Bucha.




He invited Angela Merkel to visit Bucha and witness what her decisions—vetoing Ukraine’s NATO membership and other pro-Russia measures—accomplished.

The context is back in 2008.

Zelenskyy invited Angela Merkel to look at mass graves in Bucha, saying they were the result of a 2008 decision not to let Ukraine join NATO

In 2008, Germany and France rejected Ukraine's bid to join NATO, arguing that it would increase friction with Russia.

www.businessinsider.com

Zelenskyy invited Angela Merkel to look at mass graves in Bucha, saying they were the result of a 2008 decision not to let Ukraine join NATO.

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Seven European nations have increased defense budgets in one month. Who will be next? - Breaking Defense

Germany, Belgium, Romania, Italy, Poland, Norway and Sweden have all pledged to increase defense spending since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

breakingdefense.com

Latvia’s defense minister, Artis Pabriks: "If we were not now a member of NATO or the European Union, we would share the fate of Ukraine now. It would be guaranteed that Russia would invade us. Now they can’t do this because we are a member of NATO,”

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Unlike Russia's hot war action against Ukraine, the UK has exited from the EU while on track to join CPTPP, hence showing freedom of association.

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) covers NATO, EU, USMCA, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Israel.

In March 2014, the OECD halted membership talks in response to Russia's role in that year's Crimean Annexation and continuous human and civil rights abuses. On 25 February 2022, the OECD terminated the accession process with Russia after it invaded Ukraine.


Angela Merkel grew up in East Germany, hence there are some friendly Russian viewpoints.

 

[rnlval]

I think it's rather demonstrative of the EU's famous inability to admit fault, and its high handed arrogance towards other nations and organisations.

I know the accepted rationale behind Brexit is that it happened because Britain is full of racists and little Englanders, but I know an awful lot of people who saw this attitude over many years, and that informed their decision.

That's not the complete narrative. Brexit UK border control copied Australia's border control. The statement "Britain is full of racists" is false.

For example, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-brink-collapse-putting-25-000-jobs-risk.html

In April, British Steel secured a £100million loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill and avoid a hefty fine.

Germany's steel production output is greater than the UK, hence the UK's argument of EU bias against UK.

Investigate Russia’s covert funding of US anti-fossil fuel groups

Dominating the global energy market by covertly working to limit U.S. production would have been a huge coup — in more ways than one.

thehill.com

Investigate Russia's covert funding of US anti-fossil fuel groups that benefits Russia's own fossil fuel interest.

The Green movement has been weaponized by foreign powers.

 

[rnlval]

Jesus Christ. Clement Attlee replaced Churchill. He founded the NHS, the most famous and highly regarded free health service in the world.

Maybe some of you should either read your British history a little closer, or not comment on it?

Stafford Cripps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cripps and the Labour government were perfectly willing to provide technical information on the Rolls-Royce Nene centrifugal-flow jet engine designed by RAF officer Frank Whittle, along with discussions of a licence to manufacture Nene engines. The Nene engine was promptly reverse-engineered and produced in modified form as the Soviet Klimov VK-1 jet engine, later incorporated into the MiG-15 which flew in time to deploy in combat against UN forces in North Korea in 1950.

 

[TwinB242]

Today's summary from the ISW. Hopefully Ukraine can get enough forces over to the east in time to prevent a potential encirclement and keep Slovyansk contested.

Institute for the Study of War

Russian forces continue to make little to no progress in frontal assaults to capture Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, their current main effort of the war. Russian units in Donbas face growing morale and supply issues. Additionally, the Ukrainian defenders

www.understandingwar.org

Key Takeaways

Russian forces in Izyum are setting conditions to begin offensive operations southeast toward Slovyansk in the coming days to link up with other Russian forces in Donbas and encircle Ukrainian defenders.
Russian forces in Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts continue to make little to no progress and face mounting casualties and declining morale. Replacements and reinforcements from northeastern Ukraine are highly unlikely to meaningfully change the balance of forces.
Efforts by Russian forces advancing from Izyum to capture Slovyansk and threaten Ukrainian forces in Donbas with encirclement will likely prove to be the next pivotal battle of the war in Ukraine. If Russian forces are unable to take Slovyansk, Russia’s campaign to capture the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts will likely fail.
The defenders of Mariupol have outperformed ISW’s previous estimates, and Russian forces are likely taking heavy casualties in ongoing efforts to capture the city.
Ukrainian forces likely conducted successful counterattacks in Kherson Oblast in the last 24 hours.
Russian forces have almost completely withdrawn from Chernihiv and Sumy oblasts and will likely completely vacate these regions in the coming days.
Russian forces withdrawn from the Kyiv axis are highly unlikely to be effectively deployed elsewhere in Ukraine and are likely a spent force.

 

[akimbo009]

Today's summary from the ISW. Hopefully Ukraine can get enough forces over to the east in time to prevent a potential encirclement and keep Slovyansk contested.

Institute for the Study of War

Russian forces continue to make little to no progress in frontal assaults to capture Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, their current main effort of the war. Russian units in Donbas face growing morale and supply issues. Additionally, the Ukrainian defenders

www.understandingwar.org

Russian forces withdrawn from the Kyiv axis are highly unlikely to be effectively deployed elsewhere in Ukraine and are likely a spent force....


Spent... To Belarus you say? No nukes in Belarus you say?... Let's go boys.

 

[sw0mp_d0nk3y]

Cool Zelinsky snowboard.

 

[Romulus]

Off topic and unlikely, but imagine an ultra-advanced civilization from another world/dimension watching this unfold as observers, much like we observe wildlife from a distance undetected. Humans all over the planet sit around, fully aware in an age of the internet, doing little while thousands are butchered, tortured, and humiliated. Doesn't seem we've evolved much beyond the barbarism of medieval days. We probably need a few more million years in the evolutionary oven, but I don't think we'll make it as a species.

 

[FunkMiller]

Look at this piece of shit right here...




This is an Austrian... a fucking AUSTRIAN... telling us to stay cool about Russian war atrocities.

Can't even bring himself to say oil and gas should even be targeted at all.

 

[EviLore]

I got Putin wrong, says chastened German President

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, long an advocate of Western rapprochement with Russia, expressed regret for his earlier stance, saying his years of support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline had been a clear mistake.

www.reuters.com

BERLIN, April 4 (Reuters) - German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, long an advocate of Western rapprochement with Russia, expressed regret for his earlier stance, saying his years of support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline had been a clear mistake.

Steinmeier, a Social Democrat who served as Foreign Minister under Chancellor Angela Merkel before being elevated to the presidency, said Russia's invasion of Ukraine meant he and others had to reckon honestly with what they had got wrong.

"My adherence to Nord Stream 2 was clearly a mistake," he said. "We were sticking to a bridge in which Russia no longer believed and which other partners had warned us against."

Steinmeier was a prominent member of a wing of his Social Democratic Party, led by former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, that argued close economic ties to Russia were a way of anchoring it within a western-oriented global system.

The now-cancelled Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which critics said would have weakened Ukraine by cutting it out of the energy transit business, was a centrepiece of that strategy.

That has triggered a growing backlash, with critics on social media repeatedly tweeting past pictures of him affectionately embracing Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, while Ukraine's ambassador Andrij Melnyk has been outspoken in his criticism.

When Steinmeier arranged a "solidarity concert" for Ukraine, Melnyk tweeted sarcastically that the only soloists appeared to be Russian. "An affront," he wrote. "Sorry, I'm not coming."

Germany's president is meant to be a unifying figure who stands above the cut and thrust of daily politics, one who enjoys the moral authority to exhort people to better behaviour.

"We failed to build a common European house," Steinmeier said. "I did not believe Vladimir Putin would embrace his country's complete economic, political and moral ruin for the sake of his imperial madness," he added.

"In this, I, like others, was mistaken."

 

[FunkMiller]

I got Putin wrong, says chastened German President

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, long an advocate of Western rapprochement with Russia, expressed regret for his earlier stance, saying his years of support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline had been a clear mistake.

www.reuters.com

I’m frankly amazed he managed to admit that they were warned about cozying up to Russia.

Repeatedly. By the US, the UK, the Poles, the Baltic states… all completely ignored.

The maddening hubris.

 

[akimbo009]

Look at this piece of shit right here...




This is an Austrian... a fucking AUSTRIAN... telling us to stay cool about Russian war atrocities.

Can't even bring himself to say oil and gas should even be targeted at all.

EU has a problem...

 

[Nikodemos]

I’m frankly amazed he managed to admit that they were warned about cozying up to Russia.

Repeatedly. By the US, the UK, the Poles, the Baltic states… all completely ignored.

The maddening hubris.

Western Europeans ignoring, talking over, and tone policing Eastern Europeans is, sadly, rather common in recent history.

 

[FunkMiller]

'straya!

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Admitting to getting Putin/Russia partnership wrong

Respect for those that take responsibility openly, make an about face and embrace future change instead of holding fast, lying to themselves/world and making things far worse.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

EU has a problem...

Sadly they depend on Russian gas, but I hope it finishes as soon as possible.

Fuck Vladolf Putler.

 

[akimbo009]

Sadly they depend on Russian gas, but I hope it finishes as soon as possible.

Fuck Vladolf Putler.

I know that. Time to fix that. Mobilize.

 

[Nobody_Important]

'straya!

May the Ukrainians make good use of it.


Preferably by parking it on the bastards who were responsible for Bucha and the surrounding areas.

 

[FunkMiller]

Sadly they depend on Russian gas

But they *could* cut off the gas and oil from Russia.

Yes, it would severely harm the German economy, probably plunging it into deep recession, and they’d have to go cap it in hand to other nations, but they *could* do it.

They just don’t want to.

In no analysis have I read that Germans would die, or that the country would collapse… but they would all be poorer, and there may have to be some rationing.

That is the price of handing your economy to Vladimir Putin. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be a price Germany’s ruling class is willing to pay to stop children being raped and murdered, and other war atrocities being committed.

It remains shameful.

 

[Nikodemos]

Regarding the ancient Mosin rifles given to DNR/LNR slave soldiers, it's actually one of the few intelligent things the Russian military has done in this conflict.

If you look carefully, they all have scopes. Since those guys are absolutely useless as line troops (no training, shit morale and discipline), command has decided to use them as marksmen.

 

[akimbo009]

But they *could* cut off the gas and oil from Russia.

Yes, it would severely harm the German economy, probably plunging it into deep recession, and they’d have to go cap it in hand to other nations, but they *could* do it.

They just don’t want to.

In no analysis have I read that Germans would die, or that the country would collapse… but they would all be poorer, and there may have to be some rationing.

That is the price of handing your economy to Vladimir Putin. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be a price Germany’s ruling class is willing to pay to stop children being raped and murdered, and other war atrocities being committed.

It remains shameful.

It's easy for us to ask them. And they should. It will be the same when countries break links with China. Painful and frustrating, but has to happen to maintain any morale standing.

There is urgency here though, so some steps today but got to keep the pressure up.

 

[akimbo009]

Since we're talking about Russian dependency.. an interesting infographic.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I think it's rather demonstrative of the EU's famous inability to admit fault, and its high handed arrogance towards other nations and organisations.

I know the accepted rationale behind Brexit is that it happened because Britain is full of racists and little Englanders, but I know an awful lot of people who saw this attitude over many years, and that informed their decision.

You say Potato, but I say in most why voted brexit polls the words "immigration" and "sovereignity" come up and in this same forum, not long ago, one of you hit me with traditional newspaper sunday special "in some cities the the most chosen baby name is Ivan" and honestly considering poles represent 1% of the UK ethnic mix, that is either miraculous fertility or a very localized phenomenom.

So you're brit eh? Now I understand your hate boner for the EU.

 

[EviLore]

 

[FunkMiller]

You say Potato, but I say in most why voted brexit polls the words "immigration" and "sovereignity" come up and in this same forum, not long ago, one of you hit me with traditional newspaper sunday special "in some cities the the most chosen baby name is Ivan" and honestly considering poles represent 1% of the UK ethnic mix, that is either miraculous fertility or a very localized phenomenom.

So you're brit eh? Now I understand your hate boner for the EU.

Yeah, that’s right. Anyone who criticises the actions of the EU has a hate boner for them And you’ll note none of us are criticising the vast majority of EU members. Just the ones committing terrible acts of foreign policy. Does Zelensky have a hate boner because he’s pointing these things out?

Are you all so indoctrinated into the project that you can’t look at its faults and admit them? Is it impossible for you to believe others can be critical without hating? Because as a half British person, I have no issues criticising the UK government for its faults, and as a half Australian, I can do the same thing with the Aussie government (especially when it comes to China).

Maybe the fact that you, like other Europeans, seem constitutionally incapable of just admitting fault about the EU when it gets something as wrong as this, is one of the reasons this kind of awful foreign policy can be both enabled and excused?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Yeah, that’s right. Anyone who criticises the actions of the EU has a hate boner for them

Are you all so indoctrinated into the project that you can’t look at its faults and admit them? Because as a half British person, I have no issues criticising the UK government for its faults, and as a half Australian, I can do the same thing with the Aussie government (especially when it comes to China).

Maybe the fact that you, like other Europeans, seem constitutionally incapable of just admitting fault about the EU when it gets something as wrong as this, is one of the reasons this kind of awful foreign policy can be both enabled and excused?

I see you have tried to ignore my remarks about how immigration is a strong component of the pro brexit sentiment.

Are you not ready to discuss the less savory ingredients in the UK’s politics?

Have you not realized yet you’re the only poster trying to take pot shots on the EU regularly in a large amount of your posts?

 

[FunkMiller]

I see you have tried to ignore my remarks about how immigration is a strong component of the pro brexit sentiment.

Are you not ready to discuss the less savory ingredients in the UK’s politics?

Have you not realized yet you’re the only poster trying to take pot shots on the EU regularly in a large amount of your posts?

Immigration and sovereignty did indeed make up a large part of the reason why many voted for Brexit. Never claimed otherwise. But they weren’t the only reasons for everyone.

Are you expecting me to defend Brexit? Because I have no intention of doing that.

And I’m happy to discuss less savoury elements of British politics. What a shame you aren’t willing to do the same with Germany’s, given what damage it’s done.

And the ‘pot shots’ I’m taking are based on the evidence and opinion we’re all seeing… especially from…. And I’ll say this again… Zelensky himself. I’m incredibly angry that warnings were ignored, and that the Ukrainians are paying for it now.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Immigration and sovereignty did indeed make up a large part of the reason why many voted for Brexit. Never claimed otherwise. But they weren’t the only reasons for everyone.

Are you expecting me to defend Brexit? Because I have no intention of doing that.

And I’m happy to discuss less savoury elements of British politics. What a shame you aren’t willing to do the same with Germany’s, given what damage it’s done.

And the ‘pot shots’ I’m taking are based on the evidence and opinion we’re all seeing… especially from…. And I’ll say this again… Zelensky himself.

Oh I am more than willing to tell you that merkel was disastrous as defacto leader of the EU, being her push towards renewables the only bright spot in her way too long career.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh I am more than willing to tell you that merkel was disastrous as defacto leader of the EU, being her push towards renewables the only bright spot in her way too long career.

Fair play!

…Thera a great deal I love about the EU. But on this topic, it’s been a failure of horrifying proportions.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Fair play!

…Thera a great deal I love about the EU. But on this topic, it’s been a failure of horrifying proportions.

I mean the EU doesn’t have an army so what can it do? It has no weapons to give and neither can the EU tell a country to nuke its economy by refusing Russian energy exports.

 

[FunkMiller]

I mean the EU doesn’t have an army so what can it do? It has no weapons to give and neither can the EU tell a country to nuke its economy by refusing Russian energy exports.

I think you’re tying to make the point that Germany and France aren’t the EU, but they do clearly have more influence and control of the EU than any other nations.

Okay though, I’ll make you a deal, I won’t collectively talk about ‘the EU’ anymore in these terms, just the countries directly responsible for enabling Putin.

 

[Tams]

'Minesweeping' courtesy of RIA Novosti.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

But they *could* cut off the gas and oil from Russia.

Yes, it would severely harm the German economy, probably plunging it into deep recession, and they’d have to go cap it in hand to other nations, but they *could* do it.

They just don’t want to.

In no analysis have I read that Germans would die, or that the country would collapse… but they would all be poorer, and there may have to be some rationing.

That is the price of handing your economy to Vladimir Putin. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be a price Germany’s ruling class is willing to pay to stop children being raped and murdered, and other war atrocities being committed.

It remains shameful.

There's a 3 or 5 year plan to do it. Cutting off everything immediately would harm us more than them. That's why I'm glad we're not doing it.

 

[Tams]

What the fuck are they still doing there anyway, Germany fucking sucks

Look at it from another perspective (and still not good for Germany nor France):

Expelled diplomats will be met in kind. So that must mean that Germany and France don't have many 'diplomats' that are helping or are spies in Russia. The likes of the US and UK almost certainly do, and won't want to lose those sources of intelligence for as long as possible.

 

[FunkMiller]

There's a 3 or 5 year plan to do it. Cutting off everything immediately would harm us more than them. That's why I'm glad we're not doing it.

It’s not about harming them or you. It’s about forcing them to stop committing genocide, by not filling their coffers with money every single day. It’s frankly better you’re poor than Ukrainians dead. Sorry, but there it is.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It’s not about harming them or you. It’s about forcing them to stop committing genocide, by not filling their coffers with money every single day. It’s frankly better you’re poor than Ukrainians dead. Sorry, but there it is.

It won't make them stop doing anything, though. So there's no need to sacrifice ~15 million poor people in Germany.

 

[bellome]

But they *could* cut off the gas and oil from Russia.

Yes, it would severely harm the German economy, probably plunging it into deep recession, and they’d have to go cap it in hand to other nations, but they *could* do it.

They just don’t want to.

In no analysis have I read that Germans would die, or that the country would collapse… but they would all be poorer, and there may have to be some rationing.

That is the price of handing your economy to Vladimir Putin. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be a price Germany’s ruling class is willing to pay to stop children being raped and murdered, and other war atrocities being committed.

It remains shameful.

It is not all about Germany, it ia about Germany, UK, Italy and the whole european manufacture industry in almost avery step of the supply chain.

Europe can't carry this economical weight by itself on behalf of USA imperialist foreign policy. WIthout russian gas, Europe manufacture wuold halt its production with serious economic conseguences for EU economies.

Europe lacks natural resources to support its manufature, is Saudi gas any better? If USA want EU to support in their foreign policy they must be ready to pay for it, the most part of it, USA/NATO brought this war in Ukraine and now wants EU to suffer the price, how smart!

EU (+Ucraine of course) should not suffer for USA imperialist goals, or is this the price of handing EU foreign policy to USA?

 

[funkygunther]

USA/NATO brought this war in Ukraine

not this shit again

 

[FunkMiller]

Europe lacks natural resources to support its manufature, is Saudi gas any better? If USA want EU to support in their foreign policy they must be ready to pay for it, the most part of it, USA/NATO brought this war in Ukraine and now wants EU to suffer the price, how smart!

EU (+Ucraine of course) should not suffer for USA imperialist goals, or is this the price of handing EU foreign policy to USA?

Nvm…not worth the effort.

 

[FunkMiller]

It won't make them stop doing anything, though. So there's no need to sacrifice ~15 million poor people in Germany.

Of course it will. Europe is a major contributor to Russia’s ongoing war chest. Why do you think Ukraine and other Baltic states are asking for it?

 

[bellome]

Nvm…not worth the effort.

Having a polite confrontation is always worth the effort my friend.

This is the starting point of a better society.