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[akimbo009]

Seems that Russia is just regrouping and gonna take Donbass region and probably south region Odessa.

Unfortunately it seems that this war is gonna drag for months and months with no peace deal in sight..

They won't take those regions. They will fail - the BTGs in the north are ineffective, and moving them is going to be weeks/months of logistics. They are a mess.

 

[EviLore]

Ukrainians shot down a Russian KA-52 helicopter using a Stugna-P anti-tank weapon system.




Pretty impressive. They used indirect targeting until the last second because the KA-52 can automatically detect laser guidance systems.

 

[Patrick S.]

Fucking children, man. Executed.

Bomb Russia. That's what the allied forces deservedly did to my country during WW2, and that's what needs to happen to Russia today.

 

[strange headache]

It's not been that hard to see what's been going on. The US elections were completely meddled with, regardless of outcome. It has been known Russia has been destabilizing the US for the better part of a decade - really more cause it didn't really stop after the cold war. Russia poisoned and murdered people on UK soil. It's not a mystery, so yeah... 20+ years sounds about right.

The fact that Russia is in Europe's backyard makes a lot of inaction squarely on them - unless you want the US to be an ever present hegemonic presence. Considering your pro-EU stance I imagine you don't want that - so either take responsibility or someone will tell you what to do.

Russia being Russia and doing backstabby things is nothing new and not indicative of the atrocities that they are committing right now. Many eastern Europeans countries were in absolutely shambles and suffered from corrupt regimes, didn't keep us western Europeans from cooperating with them in the hope that they might become long-time allies and strong democracies.

That being said, your criticism is fair enough. If Russia is not to be trusted, Europe should not have made itself so dependent on energy materials. I also don't mind the US' hegemonic presence, you guys are cool in my book and we share many of the same values. But you must understand that Europeans always viewed Russia differently and we also don't have a huge landmass full of natural resources.

I'm an Eurofederalist, and I'll tell you plainly, if the EU doesn't do something drastic about addressing its fundamental design issues, it'll bloody buckle.
It took them 20 damn years to get a unified EU prosecutor's office. And it's bloody optional! Like, what the fuck, when did justice become optional?!?

I agree, the European institution needs reform, but that is outside the scope of this discussion and also not relevant for the core principles of European idealism. Helping Ukraine is important, but embedding them into a Europe that upholds the right principles and values is equally important. That is how we got here in the first place, warts and all.

1. Money; 2. money; 3. money. Most Eastern European countries were complete basket cases, and several of them went off the reservation mega hard. I should know, I live in one. Many of the Eastern politicians said to themselves "eh, we'll bullshit them somehow, think of all the money we'll get".

That is not how I see Eastern Europeans, at least not those that I visit regularly.

A couple of weeks ago I was in Slovakia and despite its problems, the EU brought a lot of prosperity and stability to the places that I visited. The people know this and I don't think it's only about the money, it's also about freedom, democracy, political cooperation, mutual protection, culture and freedom of movement. And even if it only starts out as an economic cooperation, the rest usually follows.

I am sad and f*cking furious that Putin want to put an end to all of this. My only hope is that Europe tightens its common bonds as a result of this. None of us, neither west nor east Europe, wanted for the second world war to repeat itself, which is one of the founding principles of the EU.

As for everybody else:
Sorry for my hostile comment about the unnuanced discussion. That was uncalled for. I felt personally attacked and got angry, but lashed out at the wrong people.

 

[Klik]

Fucking children, man. Executed.

Bomb Russia. That's what the allied forces deservedly did to my country during WW2, and that's what needs to happen to Russia today.

NATO would crush Russia military in 2 weeks just using F35 II and drones. Unfortunately the only problem are nukes that Russia has(at least some of them that are actually working)..

 

[Gp1]

Poland Signs for Abrams tanks for $4,7 bn

Head of the Polish Ministry of Defence, Mariusz Błaszczak, signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance concerning 250 M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 MBTs. The agreement is worth around 4.75 bn. dollars and this is the net amount. The first 28 vehicles coming from the US Army stock would be handed off to the...

defence24.com

Remember that Poland still has something like 500-600 T-72s

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Don't worry, Cobb is safe and sound in my hard drive

Cobb will return as soon as this shameful and useless war ends.

I think you’re tying to make the point that Germany and France aren’t the EU, but they do clearly have more influence and control of the EU than any other nations.

Okay though, I’ll make you a deal, I won’t collectively talk about ‘the EU’ anymore in these terms, just the countries directly responsible for enabling Putin.

I mean this would be a total derail and it’s the last post I write on the matter but the EU is a thing and the collective of countries that are part of the EU are a different thing although obviously related.

I’ve heard the term eurobloc used as a stand for the collective of countries that joined the EU which I think better describes it.

I'm willing to accept my position as being minority or whatever, but I have my reasons for that.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Amen to this.

But i think we must try and find a peaceful solution to this, and to do this we need to understand first our past mistakes in managing our relations with Russia. It is not a matter of "who makes the biggest mistake is wrong". Russia is more wrong than NATO, but both are wrong, and both have to admit their own mistakes to find a new point of balance and avoid full scale war.

Stated that we are dealing with a mad dictator, do we want to find a mediation to reach the ceasefire?

If yes, it is needed for us to reckon our mistakes to push Russian to a real mediation table. If not, the only way to solve this is by moving war to them and destroying Putins' regime.

But i fear we are already to deep into this confrontation to see a step back from both sides.

I mean, understanding NATO as something that expands and menaces any country security is pretty much failing into the dialectical traps of Putin's technopolitics.

Countries who want to join NATO do it of their own volution, and acquire very severe responsabilities in doing so, but in exchange they become safer from attacks by bigger countries. The proof is in the pudding: NATO has existed since 1949 and it has yet to invade anyone.

NATO being imperialistic or some sort of network of clientelist states for the USA is a fully misguided belief that sadly many european left parties assumed by influence of russian political thinking because russia craves that kind of clientelist network as proven by the warsaw pact since it's signataries were essentially satellite states with very little independence.

At this point there is very little chance of a full scale NATO-Russia engagement, and if it happened as a conventional war (not nuclear) Russia would get its shit kicked back in. Its a long post already, but Russian military spending is extremely misguided in its goals.[/QUOTE]

 

[Bragr]

My only hope is that Europe tightens its common bonds as a result of this.

Man fuck that, all parts of Europe are completely different, north, middle, south, east, west, different places, different cultures. I am so glad we aren't in the EU.

 

[Halo is Back]

What do you think it will happen tomorrow is Mexico wakes up in love with Russia?

Every imperialist country (like USA and Russia) aims to defend and increase its power, and this is exactly what happened in Ukraine in the latest years, from both sides.

Only that this time the losing side decided to go full shit to solve the situation, this is what happens when you take decision looking only at your own yard with a strict mind.

What is with this bullshit false narrative? NATO has been stonewalling Ukraine from joining for years. Putin annexed Crimea before Ukraine was even able to join NATO and don't forget Russia was supplying pro-Russian separatists to wage war in the east with the hope of keeping Ukraine out of NATO. Western allies also supplied pro-western political and militia groups as well, so the allies are not entirely innocent here. However, Putin has been slowly making moves to fully take over Ukraine for some time now. Even if Ukraine explicitly stated thier intention was to remain netural, do you really think Putin would stop there after Crimea? Look what happened to Chechnya and Georgia.

The true cause of this was the desire of the Ukrainian people to separate from Russian authority. With historical events like the Holodomor, who could honestly blame them? Putin is a sad angry old man who can't stand the idea that his precious USSR crumbled before his eyes and the people of Ukraine want nothing to do with Russian rule.

 

[kurisu_1974]

Man fuck that, all parts of Europe are completely different, north, middle, south, east, west, different places, different cultures. I am so glad we aren't in the EU.

Are you from the UK? Did you ever go outside the Western sphere? Also why would being different matter. It's not like your culture will be replaced with some vanilla Euro flavor.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Are you from the UK? Did you ever go outside the Western sphere? Also why would being different matter. It's not like your culture will be replaced with some vanilla Euro flavor.

Hmmm Euroculture

Now with more vanilla.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Man fuck that, all parts of Europe are completely different, north, middle, south, east, west, different places, different cultures. I am so glad we aren't in the EU.

And why is that? EU countries don't lose their cultures.

 

[speckz]

 

[Urban]

imo the last country which has the right to call out war crimes

 

[Airbus Jr]

MSN

 

[akimbo009]

MSN

Killing their own.

 

[Azurro]

imo the last country which has the right to call out war crimes

It's not about moral authority, it's about international isolation of Russia, that's why it's relevant.

 

[EviLore]

MSN

Yes, some Russian soldiers have been spotted with Mosin-Nagants.

 

[akimbo009]

Yes, some Russian soldiers have been spotted with Mosin-Nagants.

With bolt action rifles.... Nice.

 

[Rentahamster]

Or it would have started prematurely. Fact is, we don't know.

We can't redo history so we don't know. However, given what we've seen play out so far, it is highly more plausible that Russia wouldn't have invaded a NATO-allied Ukraine just as Russia doesn't invade any of the other former Soviet states who have joined NATO. NATO works because it is a deterrent to Russia taking over their neighbors.

The actual past objections for Ukraine joining NATO is looking less like "we want to promote peace and don't want to antagonize Russia" and more like "we will use the pretense of peace to line our pockets with Russian money and in doing so enable Russia's imperialist objectives".

 

[Airbus Jr]

Yes, some Russian soldiers have been spotted with Mosin-Nagants.

Looks like activision new game when they mixed cod modern warfare and world at war 2 series into one game

 

[Forsete]

Good news.

 

[akimbo009]

Good news.

It's just not true. It's not the first time a foreign country has provided Ukraine with tanks. Russia's been donating them for the past few weeks.

 

[NickFire]

It's just not true. It's not the first time a foreign country has provided Ukraine with tanks. Russia's been donating them for the past few weeks.

But the new ones come with gas. The Russian ones just sit in the mud.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

It's just not true. It's not the first time a foreign country has provided Ukraine with tanks. Russia's been donating them for the past few weeks.

You try to wrestle them from the farmers, at your own peril.

 

[sinnergy]

Yes, some Russian soldiers have been spotted with Mosin-Nagants.

It’s even worse than a 50s army

 

[sw0mp_d0nk3y]

It's not about moral authority, it's about international isolation of Russia, that's why it's relevant.

Also further nail in the coffin of the de-nazification narrative.

 

[M1chl]

Good news.

I have to say, that given the situation which is now, I am happy with government here. Which I wasn't expecting and I voted against this party. But they surprised me.

 

[Bragr]

Are you from the UK? Did you ever go outside the Western sphere? Also why would being different matter. It's not like your culture will be replaced with some vanilla Euro flavor.

And why is that? EU countries don't lose their cultures.

Norway. We don't wanna be tied to idiot countries and be forced to take part in regulations that don't help us with people that don't like us. Countries like Italy and Greece are like the third world to us.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Norway. We don't wanna be tied to idiot countries and be forced to take part in regulations that don't help us with people that don't like us. Countries like Italy and Greece are like the third world to us.

According to the human development index, elaborated by the UN and based on empirical data, if norway was 100% both Italy and Greece are at 90%. Actual third world countries like Liberia, Yemen, etc are at 50%.

I will not even bother replying your comment about country IQ because it reeks of racial superiority complex so I won't even touch it.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Norway. We don't wanna be tied to idiot countries and be forced to take part in regulations that don't help us with people that don't like us. Countries like Italy and Greece are like the third world to us.

Well, sorry to say it but you seem to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

[Peggies]

Norway. We don't wanna be tied to idiot countries and be forced to take part in regulations that don't help us with people that don't like us. Countries like Italy and Greece are like the third world to us.

You sound like Varg Vikernes

 

[Bragr]

According to the human development index, elaborated by the UN and based on empirical data, if norway was 100% both Italy and Greece are at 90%. Actual third world countries like Liberia, Yemen, etc are at 50%.

I will not even bother replying your comment about country IQ because it reeks of racial superiority complex so I won't even touch it.

Well, sorry to say it but you seem to be arrogant and ignorant.

I think you are the arrogant one when you reply with petty nonsense like that.

I'm joking with the Italy and Greece comment (lol at listing real third-world countries), obviously, but the EU is a bureaucratic chain. It's important to us to be able to govern and vote for our own democratic principles, not to be governed by legislation from Brussels.

 

[Bragr]

You sound like Varg Vikernes

It was a joke. Kind of. In France, they barely speak English. In Germany, they dub movies because they can't read subtitles and watch a movie at the same time. How are we supposed to tolerate this?

 

[Wildebeest]

The elusive and mysterious Norwegian humour. Probably you need all the vitamin D in your body leached out before you understand it.

 

[M1chl]

Norway. We don't wanna be tied to idiot countries and be forced to take part in regulations that don't help us with people that don't like us. Countries like Italy and Greece are like the third world to us.

Open dem oil valves, so we don't have to suck Russia for oil.

 

[Peggies]

It was a joke. Kind of. In France, they barely speak English. In Germany, they dub movies because they can't read subtitles and watch a movie at the same time. How are we supposed to tolerate this?

Can't argue with that I suppose but try to sound a bit less like Nietzsche and people might take you seriously.

 

[IDKFA]

Man fuck that, all parts of Europe are completely different, north, middle, south, east, west, different places, different cultures. I am so glad we aren't in the EU.

You joke, but the EU will be stronger and more united after this (minus Hungary of course). I can absolutely see Ukraine and Georgia being fast tracked into the EU as soon as this war is over.

After that, it'll be a unified EU army and then within a few years a truly unified EU state. No more individual countries. Just lettered/numbered regions of a new united states of Europe.

Of course this isn't everyone's ideal outcome, but it's absolutely the way I see the EU headed in the next ten years or so.

 

[EviLore]

Just lettered/numbered regions of a new united states of Europe.

I can't wait to visit City 17 on vacation!

 

[FunkMiller]

I know some of you are balking at the near constant criticism of Germany’s response to these war atrocities, but the volume of the criticism is becoming markedly louder across multiple platforms, and multiple levels of society. This is very serious.

Have a read of this from a Berlin resident:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...ows-that-remembrance-without-resolve-is-empty

Quote:

“According to the respected economist Moritz Schularick, an embargo by Germany would be economically “manageable” for Berlin, costing a short-term hit to GDP of between 0.5 and 3 per cent (between about €100 and €1,000 per capita). Significantly reducing Russia’s ability to wage genocidal war at a cost to the average German of a mid-range holiday? It should not be a difficult decision. Yet at the time of writing the federal government deems it a step too far.”

If more isn’t done to curb Putin’s war chest by Germany, and more articles from experts come out indicating that the financial hit is sustainable, then Germany is going to find itself losing a huge amount of its moral standing in the world.

“We can’t hurt the German economy” doesn’t cut it at all as a reason to keep funding the Russian equivalent of Einsatzgruppen.

This war destroys Russia’s place in the modern world. Let’s hope it doesn’t also negatively affect Germany’s, due to perceived inaction on their part.

 

[Halo is Back]

I've had a nice chuckle from all of the Ukraine tractor memes.

 

[Bragr]

The elusive and mysterious Norwegian humour. Probably you need all the vitamin D in your body leached out before you understand it.

You also need to eat brown cheese, ski every winter (cross-country), and be better than Swedes or Danes, which I guess you are, judging from your jealousy.

 

[Bragr]

I know some of you are balking at the near constant criticism of Germany’s response to these war atrocities, but the volume of the criticism is becoming markedly louder across multiple platforms, and multiple levels of society. This is very serious.

Have a read of this from a German:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...ows-that-remembrance-without-resolve-is-empty

Quote:

“According to the respected economist Moritz Schularick, an embargo by Germany would be economically “manageable” for Berlin, costing a short-term hit to GDP of between 0.5 and 3 per cent (between about €100 and €1,000 per capita). Significantly reducing Russia’s ability to wage genocidal war at a cost to the average German of a mid-range holiday? It should not be a difficult decision. Yet at the time of writing the federal government deems it a step too far.”

If more isn’t done to curb Putin’s war chest by Germany, and more articles from experts come out indicating that the financial hit is sustainable, then Germany is going to find itself losing a huge amount of its moral standing in the world.

“We can’t hurt the German economy” doesn’t cut it at all as a reason to keep funding the Russian equivalent of Einsatzgruppen.

This war destroys Russia’s place in the modern world. Let’s hope it doesn’t also negatively affect Germany’s, due to perceived inaction on their part.

I fear this sort of thing, with all the politically correct media machines turning most people into moral high-elves that want to be "morally correct" and base their decisions on whims they hear on the radio that they feel are "incredibly humane", you get rash decisions that can create serious ramifications. It's like when Bono went around the world, getting world leaders to pledge hundreds of millions of dollars to charities that turned out to be a sham just because they all wanted to be seen as charitable.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Ukrainians shot down a Russian KA-52 helicopter using a Stugna-P anti-tank weapon system.




Pretty impressive. They used indirect targeting until the last second because the KA-52 can automatically detect laser guidance systems.

Classic Battlefield tactic, I'd link to my compilation of helo shootdowns but YouTube deleted it for, I shit you not, "promoting terrorism". It was just a montage of my best Battlefield 4 clips.

Russian air power is sure having a bad time over Ukraine

 

[Pagusas]

why in the world is an attack helicopter spending anytime hovering like that in hostile territory?

 

[EviLore]

why in the world is an attack helicopter spending anytime hovering like that in hostile territory?

Vodka break.

 

[M1chl]

why in the world is an attack helicopter spending anytime hovering like that in hostile territory?

Probably Russians spotted penny, which is worth million in the Russia mainland

I know, cringe, whatever...

 

[Sub_Level]

What is the border between these countries even gonna be like when this is over? Like a Berlin wall or 38th Parallel? Can't imagine any love lost between them now.

 

[jonnyp]

I think you are the arrogant one when you reply with petty nonsense like that.

I'm joking with the Italy and Greece comment (lol at listing real third-world countries), obviously, but the EU is a bureaucratic chain. It's important to us to be able to govern and vote for our own democratic principles, not to be governed by legislation from Brussels.

How embarrassing it must be for you then that Norway are a part of the EEA, which means Norway is de facto part of the EU, except Norway has no voting power what so ever like actual EU members have. Norway is best in class in implementing new EU regulations and laws even though it's not a full member.