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[RJMacready73]

Unless a massive economic crisis leads to parties coming into power who want to 'return to normal' with cheap Russian gas and will throw Ukraine under the bus to get it.

Those days are well and truly over

 

[Deleted member 1159]

I dunno how y'all are looking at pictures/videos of the dead kids, i've been following this war closely like everyone else but just reading about the medieval shit the Russians have been getting up to makes my blood boil but as a dad to two young kids i really don't need to see it graphically. Once the proper investigative teams go in and the evidence mounts i really don't see how Russia can ever join the "sane" world again or for western countries to drop sanctions until at the very least there's a regime change, i'm hitting turkey in the summer and its going to be very hard to keep my tongue in my mouth/fists in my pockets if i come across any Russians towing the party line

I can’t handle it either, I’m avoiding as much footage as I can of victims. Reading it is enough. Seeing the toddler in diapers with contact info written on her back…nah, that hits way too close to home right now.

 

[Tams]

Genocide would indicate some directed policy being carried out in an organized manner from Moscow, similar to Hitler and the SS.When in all likelihood what we're more likely seeing is a shockingly ill disciplined rabble of a Russian Army, practically abandoned to fend for themselves by a military command structure that is simply incompetent beyond what was thought possible and therefore simply feel like they can commit any atrocity they can think of, during their retreat.

Also amongst its regualr ranks are extremist elements from the Russian regions & scum operators like the Wagner group mercenaries, notorious for their brutality to civilians wherever they operate.

The attitudes of those at the top have affected the grunts at the bottom though. And they have to all intents and purposes publicly published their wish to wipe Ukraine off the map.

Just being a grunt doesn't absolve you. You're still a human capable of compassion, shame, and recompense. And a very few Russian soldiers do seem to have had some humanity and decency left in them from the stories coming out. A very few. So, yes, it could still be genocide.

 

[Tams]

Had never heard of them before strangely and read a lot of news.

For anyone else curious;

What is Russia's Wagner group, and what has happened to its leader?

The UK government wants to designate Wagner a terrorist group because it threatens global security.

www.bbc.com

Wagner are very well known. US forces even wiped out an entire 'battalion' of them without taking any casualties.

Have you been living in a cave?

 

[Tams]

I think I’d prefer it if we just started battering his forces with cruise missiles, and bald faced lie and say it’s all the Ukrainians. How’s he going to prove it isn’t? Start rapid surgical strikes that obliterate entire regiments at a time.

Hell, start fucking targeting Russian towns and claim it’s the Ukrainians. Let’s see how his people keep supporting him if they’re in the firing line.

The cunt loves a ‘proxy’ war. Let’s give him one properly.

We've got plenty of drones. If one or more get shot down and captured, we can just say 'yeah, we're providing Ukraine with those now'.

 

[Chaplain]

Thoughts appreciated on the following tweet:

 

[Ionian]

Wagner are very well known. US forces even wiped out an entire 'battalion' of them without taking any casualties.

Have you been living in a cave?

I'm BatMan.

You American?

 

[Wildebeest]

Thoughts appreciated on the following tweet:

Of course, disrupting global food supplies is crazy, but do you really think that America will not be able to feed itself this year?

 

[Ionian]

Of course, disrupting global food supplies is crazy, but do you really think that America will not be able to feed itself this year?

They will be able to with this sweet bag!

Had never heard of him. Many laughs to be had once I looked up him and his shop.

 

[Doczu]

They will be able to with this sweet bag!

Had never heard of him. Many laughs to be had once I looked up him and his shop.

He's right though. Ukraine is the breadbasket and Russia produces.a shitton fertilizer.
Fertilizer prices in Poland have gone up by 100% right now, and that is from around 3k to 6k PLN.
This is A LOT. So harvests this summer and fall will be expensive for the regular family.
This also counts for animal food - just wait till the meat, cheese and eggs prices go up.

Of course, disrupting global food supplies is crazy, but do you really think that America will not be able to feed itself this year?

Oh they will.

Please confirm or correct me american bros on this:
Is it true thst the US has dropped the sanctions on fertilizers? Cause if that wasn't fake news then this proves the administration was/is scared regarding food prices or shortages.

 

[Ionian]

He's right though. Ukraine is the breadbasket and Russia produces.a shitton fertilizer.
Fertilizer prices in Poland have gone up by 100% right now, and that is from around 3k to 6k PLN.
This is A LOT. So harvests this summer and fall will be expensive for the regular family.
This also counts for animal food - just wait till the meat, cheese and eggs prices go up.


Oh they will.

Please confirm or correct me american bros on this:
Is it true thst the US has dropped the sanctions on fertilizers? Cause if that wasn't fake news then this proves the administration was/is scared regarding food prices or shortages.

I was joking at the link I posted from the person he quoted. It's not important.

I'm well aware of Poland, been numerous times. Was with a lass over a decade and she's back soon. Polish people are very close to my heart and was the first person I spoke to when things kicked off, she's there at the moment but not like news there is great anyway. Well whatever her mother watches.

(The same voice dubbed over films is hilarious but that's an aside, hard to not laugh although it's normal apparently).

 

[FunkMiller]

Remarkable from Guy verhofstadt…

 

[mxbison]

Thoughts appreciated on the following tweet:

Great. Idiots already calling for the next round of hording.

Shouldn't people still have stacks of yeast and toilet paper left from the start of the pandemic when we were also about to starve?

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Remarkable from Guy verhofstadt…

Wow, first time I agree with this cretin.

 

[Facism]

Great. Idiots already calling for the next round of hording.

Shouldn't people still have stacks of yeast and toilet paper left from the start of the pandemic when we were also about to starve?

yeh people like this is why I haven't been able to find diesel for 3 days.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Thoughts appreciated on the following tweet:

Sounds like the US needs to get rid of its retarded ethanol subsidies to stop incentivizing corn so farmers here grow grains that aren’t bullshit

 

[TwinB242]

This is bad news. It appears that Russians are doing a massive combined land/air push to encircle Ukrainian forces in the east

 

[RJMacready73]

This is bad news. It appears that Russians are doing a massive combined land/air push to encircle Ukrainian forces in the east

They'll now meet even stronger resistance from not only the military but from the public now that the horrors of occupied Russian territories are out in the open

 

[TheDreadLord]

You joke, but the EU will be stronger and more united after this (minus Hungary of course). I can absolutely see Ukraine and Georgia being fast tracked into the EU as soon as this war is over.

After that, it'll be a unified EU army and then within a few years a truly unified EU state. No more individual countries. Just lettered/numbered regions of a new united states of Europe.

Of course this isn't everyone's ideal outcome, but it's absolutely the way I see the EU headed in the next ten years or so.

Oh, what a great outlook. Can’t wait to have some EU tanks right next to my door just because someone I don’t know cut a tree in a rain forest.

 

[TheDreadLord]

How embarrassing it must be for you then that Norway are a part of the EEA, which means Norway is de facto part of the EU, except Norway has no voting power what so ever like actual EU members have. Norway is best in class in implementing new EU regulations and laws even though it's not a full member.

As far as I understand, since they are basically a commodity export country for them it is better to be outside the EU umbrela when it comes to monetary and economy policies.

 

[Gp1]

Wagner are very well known. US forces even wiped out an entire 'battalion' of them without taking any casualties.

Have you been living in a cave?

Complementing...

How a 4-Hour Battle Between Russian Mercenaries and U.S. Commandos Unfolded in Syria (Published 2018)

Interviews and newly obtained documents provide the Pentagon’s first public on-the-ground accounting of one of the bloodiest battles the military has faced in Syria since deploying to fight ISIS.

www.nytimes.com

 

[EviLore]

Saw a tweet just now that showed a pile of bodies with a girl who could not have been older than 4 or maybe 5 on top of the pile. I may still fuck around in other threads and try to work off steam with jokes and stuff, but I am not sure how much longer I can pay truly close attention to this topic anymore. I have followed wars in my life. I have seen horrors and I have seen war crimes. But the regularity of the horrors we have seen this past week or so is making me just mentally uneasy.



I don't know what to say anymore. This whole ordeal is just surreal and horrifying in ways that I did not think I would experience in my lifetime. Maybe I am just weaker than I thought.

There's a reason this stuff is censored on most television news outlets. Always protect your mental health and don't feel like you need to force yourself to watch any of it.

We're seeing such graphic reporting in part because so many people across the world bought into Russia's lies and it was important to dispel them. Knowing the truth is enough, though.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Twitter stupidity never fails to amaze me:





She's cleary an expert in the field of removing mines from dead bodies. This is not how you do it, guys...

 

[AJUMP23]

He's right though. Ukraine is the breadbasket and Russia produces.a shitton fertilizer.
Fertilizer prices in Poland have gone up by 100% right now, and that is from around 3k to 6k PLN.
This is A LOT. So harvests this summer and fall will be expensive for the regular family.
This also counts for animal food - just wait till the meat, cheese and eggs prices go up.


Oh they will.

Please confirm or correct me american bros on this:
Is it true thst the US has dropped the sanctions on fertilizers? Cause if that wasn't fake news then this proves the administration was/is scared regarding food prices or shortages.

US carves out mechanism for insulating Russian fertilizer exports from sanctions

In FY 2021, Russia alone accounted for over 17 percent of total MOP (muriate of potash) imports and nearly 60 percent of NPK (nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium) imports.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

We have.

The US will suffer higher prices for all things without imports. Supply chains may be strained due to demands for greater US grain exports. The US has already seen a rise in prices in grocery stores.

Grocery prices spike again in January, as inflation roars on

Supermarket prices shot up a full 1% in January, despite a decline in the cost of beef and pork, and are up 7.4% over the past year as inflation shows little sign of abating.

www.agri-pulse.com

We are suffering severe inflation in the US due to the over distribution of dollars during the pandemic. The inflation has nothing really to do with Russia. Food prices have some to do with Russia but they were rising in 2021.

US is taking public positions that condemn Russia but behind the scenes they are indirectly funding it, just like Germany and other countries dependent on their resources.

 

[SlimySnake]

I know we are not allowed to talk politics anymore, but I see these war crimes and immediately think of genocide, ehtnic cleansing, stuff we heard about in WW2. In the decade leading up to WW2, everyone just ignored Hitler or tried to appease him. I saw the same thing happen under the Trump administration, and I also remember Obama mocking Mitt Romney for calling Russia our #1 foe. I have to wonder if people had taken Putin seriously in the 2010s if we would seeing this kind of despicable behavior. I dont think the Russian soldiers are going off and doing these things on their own. The orders must have come from above. This is the same sicekening shit saw from Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

When will we learn? We shouldve stood up to him when he took over Crimea. We shouldve stood up to him when the Russian backed Crimean soldiers blew up that airplane. We shouldve stood up to him when he meddled in our elections. Even now we are holding back on sanctioning him where it would really hurt.

Maybe they are operating under more information than us and think hes suicidal (Especially if hes got terminal cancer) and might use nukes, but the fact that his soldiers committed these atrocities a month after the entire world sanctioned him shows that he isnt not scared of these sanctions.

 

[M1chl]

I know we are not allowed to talk politics anymore, but I see these war crimes and immediately think of genocide, ehtnic cleansing, stuff we heard about in WW2. In the decade leading up to WW2, everyone just ignored Hitler or tried to appease him. I saw the same thing happen under the Trump administration, and I also remember Obama mocking Mitt Romney for calling Russia our #1 foe. I have to wonder if people had taken Putin seriously in the 2010s if we would seeing this kind of despicable behavior. I dont think the Russian soldiers are going off and doing these things on their own. The orders must have come from above. This is the same sicekening shit saw from Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

When will we learn? We shouldve stood up to him when he took over Crimea. We shouldve stood up to him when the Russian backed Crimean soldiers blew up that airplane. We shouldve stood up to him when he meddled in our elections. Even now we are holding back on sanctioning him where it would really hurt.

Maybe they are operating under more information than us and think hes suicidal (Especially if hes got terminal cancer) and might use nukes, but the fact that his soldiers committed these atrocities a month after the entire world sanctioned him shows that he isnt not scared of these sanctions.

I still think that EU bares far more responsibility for this than USA, because it's the petro dollar which fund all of this shit and shitlib response to 2014 annexation of Crimea. it's insane that such deed can be done today without some major repercussions.

 

[jonnyp]

As far as I understand, since they are basically a commodity export country for them it is better to be outside the EU umbrela when it comes to monetary and economy policies.

That may be true but that doesn't change the fact that if a country is in the EEA, they basically are part of the EU but have no voting power. Norway has to comply with all EU laws and regulations to access the EU market

 

[Doczu]

US carves out mechanism for insulating Russian fertilizer exports from sanctions

In FY 2021, Russia alone accounted for over 17 percent of total MOP (muriate of potash) imports and nearly 60 percent of NPK (nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium) imports.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

We have.

The US will suffer higher prices for all things without imports. Supply chains may be strained due to demands for greater US grain exports. The US has already seen a rise in prices in grocery stores.

Grocery prices spike again in January, as inflation roars on

Supermarket prices shot up a full 1% in January, despite a decline in the cost of beef and pork, and are up 7.4% over the past year as inflation shows little sign of abating.

www.agri-pulse.com

We are suffering severe inflation in the US due to the over distribution of dollars during the pandemic. The inflation has nothing really to do with Russia. Food prices have some to do with Russia but they were rising in 2021.

US is taking public positions that condemn Russia but behind the scenes they are indirectly funding it, just like Germany and other countries dependent on their resources.

Welcome to the team. We currently have 10.9% (officialy...), the same reasons. We over spent during the pandemic, many businesses fell and this war next to us is making things worse. Gas heating prices are almost 80% up, fuel ~40%.
And now the sanctions are also hitting us...

I want to make it clear: i support what needs to be done in order to stop Putin, but i fear for what will happen in the coming months. If the food prices go through the roof then a lot of people in the country will be on the streets and it looks like this is a part of Putins game...

 

[Patrick S.]

I still think that EU bares far more responsibility for this than USA, because it's the petro dollar which fund all of this shit and shitlib response to 2014 annexation of Crimea. it's insane that such deed can be done today without some major repercussions.

You know who's responsible?

Vladimir Putin and Russia.

Not the EU.

 

[TwinB242]

They'll now meet even stronger resistance from not only the military but from the public now that the horrors of occupied Russian territories are out in the open

Maybe but the problem is that Russia still has far more numbers when it comes to equipment, vehicles, and infantry that they can throw at the Ukrainian army to eventually grind them down through attrition. Russia originally spread their forces too thin as they tried to take over the North and South which made them rack up a ton of losses from Ukrainian ambushes, but that strategy is going to be a lot less feasible if all their forces are concentrated in the same area. I hope im wrong but refocusing everything in the East might work in Russia's favor.

 

[dotnotbot]

I know we are not allowed to talk politics anymore, but I see these war crimes and immediately think of genocide, ehtnic cleansing, stuff we heard about in WW2. In the decade leading up to WW2, everyone just ignored Hitler or tried to appease him. I saw the same thing happen under the Trump administration, and I also remember Obama mocking Mitt Romney for calling Russia our #1 foe. I have to wonder if people had taken Putin seriously in the 2010s if we would seeing this kind of despicable behavior. I dont think the Russian soldiers are going off and doing these things on their own. The orders must have come from above. This is the same sicekening shit saw from Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

When will we learn? We shouldve stood up to him when he took over Crimea. We shouldve stood up to him when the Russian backed Crimean soldiers blew up that airplane. We shouldve stood up to him when he meddled in our elections. Even now we are holding back on sanctioning him where it would really hurt.

Maybe they are operating under more information than us and think hes suicidal (Especially if hes got terminal cancer) and might use nukes, but the fact that his soldiers committed these atrocities a month after the entire world sanctioned him shows that he isnt not scared of these sanctions.

I think the idea of sanctions isn't to stop him now but make him too weak for his further plans. Russians are too stubborn to let Ukraine go (it's not only Putin) and that's what should lead to their collapse in the long run.

 

[Rentahamster]

Thoughts appreciated on the following tweet:

Hyperbolic conclusion reached from an oversimplified premise.

"No one knows except meeeee" added on as Twitter clickbait icing.

 

[M1chl]

You know who's responsible?

Vladimir Putin and Russia.

Not the EU.

True, that's not how I want it to say it tho. But yeah, true.

 

[speckz]

That !

 

[ShadowNate]

 

[Wildebeest]

I know we are not allowed to talk politics anymore, but I see these war crimes and immediately think of genocide, ehtnic cleansing, stuff we heard about in WW2. In the decade leading up to WW2, everyone just ignored Hitler or tried to appease him. I saw the same thing happen under the Trump administration, and I also remember Obama mocking Mitt Romney for calling Russia our #1 foe. I have to wonder if people had taken Putin seriously in the 2010s if we would seeing this kind of despicable behavior. I dont think the Russian soldiers are going off and doing these things on their own. The orders must have come from above. This is the same sicekening shit saw from Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

When will we learn? We shouldve stood up to him when he took over Crimea. We shouldve stood up to him when the Russian backed Crimean soldiers blew up that airplane. We shouldve stood up to him when he meddled in our elections. Even now we are holding back on sanctioning him where it would really hurt.

Maybe they are operating under more information than us and think hes suicidal (Especially if hes got terminal cancer) and might use nukes, but the fact that his soldiers committed these atrocities a month after the entire world sanctioned him shows that he isnt not scared of these sanctions.

Asking too many "what ifs" about the past and coming up with counterfactuals is a luxury for intellectuals who don't actually have to make decisions.

The time period known as appeasement of Hitler is also the time of British rearmament. The UK had a deep soul sickness of war after WW1, but they knew Hitler was not a peaceful neighbour and war was very likely.

I don't know if the US has been guilty of not being tough on Russia. A large problem with Russia has been that the US armed forces are so capable against the Russian forces that any confrontation would quickly lead to a dangerous realization from Putin that nuclear weapons were really his only option for showing force and saving face.

 

[Nikodemos]

Prime Minister of Slovenia:

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

True, that's not how I want it to say it tho. But yeah, true.

Also, not all of the countries on the EU get their gas or oil from Putin. Which is why mistakenly using "the eu" creates issues.

The problem here is that the leading country in the continent and his closest economic proxies are the ones hitting that gas pipe like there's no tomorrow.

 

[6502]

Asking too many "what ifs" about the past and coming up with counterfactuals is a luxury for intellectuals who don't actually have to make decisions.

The time period known as appeasement of Hitler is also the time of British rearmament. The UK had a deep soul sickness of war after WW1, but they knew Hitler was not a peaceful neighbour and war was very likely.

I don't know if the US has been guilty of not being tough on Russia. A large problem with Russia has been that the US armed forces are so capable against the Russian forces that any confrontation would quickly lead to a dangerous realization from Putin that nuclear weapons were really his only option for showing force and saving face.

Nato is re-arming.

I hope America eventually goes in and rips Russia a new arsehole.

 

[AJUMP23]

Incredible moment single Ukrainian tank takes on entire Russian convoy

Thanks to brilliant positioning, the tank was able to fire several rounds at the invaders' convoy, threading the gap between other structures from a concealed location behind a house.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

There are really good people.

Belarusian railway rebellion disrupts Vladimir Putin’s Ukraine War​

atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/...

Fuck Putin

 

[FunkMiller]

I know we are not allowed to talk politics anymore, but I see these war crimes and immediately think of genocide, ehtnic cleansing, stuff we heard about in WW2. In the decade leading up to WW2, everyone just ignored Hitler or tried to appease him. I saw the same thing happen under the Trump administration, and I also remember Obama mocking Mitt Romney for calling Russia our #1 foe. I have to wonder if people had taken Putin seriously in the 2010s if we would seeing this kind of despicable behavior. I dont think the Russian soldiers are going off and doing these things on their own. The orders must have come from above. This is the same sicekening shit saw from Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

On the US, both democrat and republicans administrations bear responsibility for not putting Putin in check properly.

On UK, it allowed private Russian citizens to money launder.

On Europe, Germany blocked Ukraine joining NATO in 2008, and cozied up to Putin for cheap gas.

All of these things contributed to Putin feeling enabled to launch this invasion.

 

[Gp1]

Incredible moment single Ukrainian tank takes on entire Russian convoy

Thanks to brilliant positioning, the tank was able to fire several rounds at the invaders' convoy, threading the gap between other structures from a concealed location behind a house.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I was going to post this. This could be straight out of Battlefield 4.

In another news





One hell of a bloody nose there.

 

[EviLore]

People across Russia asked what they heard about the Bucha massacre.

 

[Tams]

To lighten the mood a bit (as damn we need it), guess who the woman in this video is:

 

[FunkMiller]

People across Russia asked what they heard about the Bucha massacre.

A few know and understand.

Some chose to ignore.

Most condone and disbelieve.

But my question is this: some of them have seen the evidence, but still chose to believe the lie their government tells them. What does that say? Too horrified to handle the truth? Or just unwilling to stop supporting their 'strong man'?

 

[01011001]

People across Russia asked what they heard about the Bucha massacre.

people always said someone like Hitler would never be able to gain power these days because people are more informed...
yeah, well... they underestimated how brainwashed Russians are currently, fucking hell...

as a sidenote, I hope they find those soliders and cut their dicks off... for real, capture them, cut their dicks off and send them home

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

people always said someone like Hitler would never be able to gain power these days because people are more informed...
yeah, well... they underestimated how brainwashed Russians are currently, fucking hell...

as a sidenote, I hope they find those soliders and cut their dicks off... for real, capture them, cut their dicks off and send them home

It kind of makes you wonder if Goebels was so good at prooganda that the German people actually didn’t fully understand all of what was going on?

 

[01011001]

It kind of makes you wonder if Goebels was so good at prooganda that the German people actually didn’t fully understand all of what was going on?

a lot of people either just ignore facts or are delusional. I think this is just how people that see themselves as part of a "group" act when confronted with information that degrades their group.
I'm no fan of group think at all, because it is a dangerous remnant of our caveman instincts, that turned into something really scary in our modern times.

 

[FunkMiller]

It kind of makes you wonder if Goebels was so good at prooganda that the German people actually didn’t fully understand all of what was going on?

It's less that, and more that the Nazis promised a great new dawn for the German people, where Germany was strong and successful again after the depression of the post WW1 period.

And guess what... Putin says exactly the same things to the Russian people, after the depression of the post Cold War era.

We really do need to accept the fact that some people will ignore or justify the most heinous of crimes, if it means they can live in a strong, prosperous, successful country. They do know what's going on, but it's not happening to them, so they can turn a blind eye.

This is why modern western democracy will always be the best form of government. That kind of propaganda and mentality is completely impossible in a society where those in power can be questioned and interrogated, and massive injustice cannot just be hidden behind the monolithic state apparatus.