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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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GeorgioCostanzaX

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This is why modern western democracy will always be the best form of government. That kind of propaganda and mentality is completely impossible in a society where those in power can be questioned and interrogated, and massive injustice cannot just be hidden behind the monolithic state apparatus.
To paraphrase Churchill no one pretends democracy is all perfect but it’s the best system we have. Not to get too far into politics but checks and balances two parties and three coequal branches ensures a tyrant can’t truly take hold without military support to can the whole system.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
So Reddit is suspending accounts that use the word orc/ork to refer to the Russians invaders in Ukraine. Which is hilarious considering r/Russia exists and well you can imagine what goes in there.

Speaking of embarrassing stuff, the extreme left seccecionists in Spain’s parliament refused to clap zelensky speech… because Ukraine approved a law forbidding communist parties.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Podcast discussing the looming food and fertilizer shortages due to the war and pre-existing factors. It's long, I'll try to highlight the major points:




Ukraine and Russia are, together, enormous producers of wheat, corn, barley — which is a major animal feed. Sunflower oil, which is a really important cooking oil in many parts of the world, and also fertilizer. And just to give you a sense. Together, they account for nearly 30 percent of the world’s wheat exports

One study calculated that Russia and Ukraine together account for 12 percent of the world’s calories.

And so after Russia invaded Ukraine, as we know, the Western world and much of the world hit Russia with very strict sanctions. And that essentially cut Russia off from much of the world. At the same time, Ukraine is under attack. The wheat fields in Ukraine, some of them have turned into battlefields. The farm workers, who usually would sow and harvest the fields, are suddenly fleeing the country or on the front lines. Fuel that is used to power the tractors is being diverted to the military. And the Black Sea, the way they export wheat and corn and barley, is essentially cut off. And so what that means is, this huge supply of food is suddenly trapped.

Well, we can say that just about everyone in the world is affected. But there are dozens of countries, especially in the Middle East and Africa, that are most at risk here. And that’s in part because that region is geographically close to Ukraine and Russia. So they import a lot of wheat from those countries. And wheat is important culturally. It’s a staple food in the region.

in March, after the war began, the U.N.‘s Food and Agriculture Organization put out a major assessment of the situation and the impact on the global food system from the war. And specifically, it showed that some smaller countries depend almost entirely on Ukraine and Russia for their wheat. So Eritrea, Armenia, Mongolia, Azerbaijan, these countries import virtually all of their wheat from Ukraine and Russia.

Egypt, the world’s single biggest wheat importer, gets about 3/4 of its wheat from Ukraine and Russia. Turkey, 85 percent. Saudi Arabia, nearly half. And these are major consumers of wheat. And so it’s going to be much more difficult to make up that shortfall.

So there is wheat on the market. And fortunately, there are also stockpiles in many countries that will enable places to get by in the near term. But the real problem is the prices. And we should note that before Russia invaded Ukraine, food prices had already hit an all-time high for the world.

They were soaring because of rising energy costs. There were shipping disruptions related to the pandemic. And there were a number of extreme weather events, including droughts in Brazil and Argentina and in East Africa and flooding in China, which, altogether, were creating a significant increase in global food prices. And then the war arrived. And so, just to give you a sense, wheat prices over the past year are up 61 percent

Now, this really matters because it means that regardless if you get your food from Russia or Ukraine directly, you’re still paying more for your food. And while that may mean a higher grocery bill for many people in the United States or in Europe, it is a question of whether to eat at all in other countries and in other places.

And to make matters worse, the largest supplier to the World Food Program, which feeds more people than any other agency in the world, is Ukraine. They get about half of all their wheat from Ukraine.

what historically has happened is the market has fixed itself. When food prices are high, farmers are drawn to plant more, to chase the high prices. And the higher supply brings the prices down. But the problem is, to get a good wheat crop, you need fertilizer.

Well, Russia is the world’s single largest exporter of fertilizer. It accounts for nearly 15 percent of the world’s exports. And now because of sanctions, most of that fertilizer is stuck. So we’ve already talked about record increases in food prices, but prices of fertilizers have risen even faster. The cost of all the major fertilizers have doubled or even tripled over the past year. And many of them are now at all-time highs, in large part because of soaring energy prices.

And let me explain. So the most important fertilizer, a nitrogen-based fertilizer, is essentially made with natural gas. And because natural gas has almost doubled in some cases, that has made it unprofitable for some fertilizer plants to produce. And so across Europe, what we’ve seen over the past month is many major fertilizer plants are restricting capacity or shutting down altogether.

And we already had a squeeze in the supply of fertilizer because ahead of the Winter Olympics, China was curtailing its production of fertilizer. And that’s because many major Chinese fertilizer plants are coal-fired, which produce a lot of pollution. And as part of their blue sky policy to reduce pollution ahead of the Olympics, they cut production. So, as a result, what we essentially have is a fertilizer crisis. And that is threatening to worsen what is already becoming a crisis in food.

And what economists and officials are worried about is that the high fertilizer prices are going to cause farmers to apply less fertilizer. And less fertilizer means worse crops, crops that are less in quantity, less in size, lower protein. And when you have, let’s say, corn and soybean, for example — crops that are often fed to animals — when they have less protein, we’re going to have skinnier cattle, skinnier hogs. And that means higher meat prices. So there are all sorts of cascading effects. And this is already playing out.

So, for example, I spoke to a farmer in South Texas. And he told me that because of high fertilizer prices, he’s already stopped applying fertilizer to his pastures. And what that means is the hundreds of cows that graze there are likely going to end up skinnier come slaughter. And that means he’ll have less meat to sell, and less supply means higher prices. And when this plays out across the world, it means that fertilizer could end up resulting in even higher and higher prices.


The impact will be felt most once it's time for the second harvest. Will there even be one? Will they be able to harvest in Ukraine? First world countries will merely face slightly higher costs for a number of products. Smaller, poorer nations may face levels of starvation they haven't experienced in some time. Sad stuff. Fuck Putin.
 
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mxbison

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It made me think how quickly will the world forget and/or forgive Russians for their barbaric actions in Ukraine. We did forgive Germans rather quickly after WW2.

I mean Germany got carpet bombed to dust and like 1 in 8 women/girls were raped. Their leaders dead/arrested and most people traumatized and ashamed.

If Russia gets away from this with just some economic sanctions while Putin and his ass licker squad are still in power and supported by most of the russian population, it will be harder to forgive IMO.
 
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Alx

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It made me think how quickly will the world forget and/or forgive Russians for their barbaric actions in Ukraine. We did forgive Germans rather quickly after WW2.
Well the post-war Germans were very different from the pre-war ones, so it's not exactly about "forgiving" them than acknowledging their new stand.
After the war the whole Germany has been carrying the responsibility and the shame of what happened under the nazi regime, to the point that they're probably the European country the least likely to reproduce it. They even were opposed to any external military action until very recently.
 
Maybe but the problem is that Russia still has far more numbers when it comes to equipment, vehicles, and infantry that they can throw at the Ukrainian army to eventually grind them down through attrition. Russia originally spread their forces too thin as they tried to take over the North and South which made them rack up a ton of losses from Ukrainian ambushes, but that strategy is going to be a lot less feasible if all their forces are concentrated in the same area. I hope im wrong but refocusing everything in the East might work in Russia's favor.
You have been following the war surely? the great big myth of the Red Army has well and truly been squashed, they are a disorganised rabble utilising outdated equipment along with tactics from a bygone era,.. war of attrition? don't make me laugh this isn't Stalingrad, have you not seen the videos of Russian armour coming under attack, they completely and utterly panic then run for the hills making them easy to mop up.

With even more advanced weapons pouring in from all corners and this weaponry being deployed to the Donbass region there's a very real chance that Ukraine could drive the cunts out. The Russians are demoralized and fighting a war they know they've already lost, think about it.. you got nowhere north and where completed hounded out of the country barely alive, your own generals don't give a fuck about you, you where fighting with weapons that barely worked eating food you wouldn't give a dog and all the shit you heard about being welcomed as liberators vanished the day you found out you weren't on exercises but actually inside Ukraine because nobody in the Russian army tells anyone anything. Now take that cunt and redeploy him to the Donbass region after everything he now knows... you think he's about to sacrifice himself to the greater good of mother Russia against a force that's kicking their arses all ways but Sunday? Is he fuck.. concentrating all your forces in the Donbas region simply means Ukraine concentrates all its forces in the same region and i know what army i'm putting my money on
 
Some cozy trenches the Russians dug.


How it started:

digging season 3 GIF


How it ended:

digging homer simpson GIF
 

Vestal

Junior Member
No confirmed connection, but if this were a cyber attack…

Wild speculation, that 99.999999% sure it was internal to PR. Puerto Ricos electrical system is an absolute mess. The infrastructure has been on its edge for decades, Maria brought it to the brink 4 years ago, and it is basically still in the brink.
 
This war has years left how do you think the conflict began.
Putin cant afford this war to last years, the sanctions will really start to bite in the latter half of this year not to mention the EU is set to completely wean itself of Russian energy dependence by the end of year so there's a massive chunk of money lost, draggin it out will only hurt Russia more
 

TwinB242

Member
You have been following the war surely? the great big myth of the Red Army has well and truly been squashed, they are a disorganised rabble utilising outdated equipment along with tactics from a bygone era,.. war of attrition? don't make me laugh this isn't Stalingrad, have you not seen the videos of Russian armour coming under attack, they completely and utterly panic then run for the hills making them easy to mop up.

With even more advanced weapons pouring in from all corners and this weaponry being deployed to the Donbass region there's a very real chance that Ukraine could drive the cunts out. The Russians are demoralized and fighting a war they know they've already lost, think about it.. you got nowhere north and where completed hounded out of the country barely alive, your own generals don't give a fuck about you, you where fighting with weapons that barely worked eating food you wouldn't give a dog and all the shit you heard about being welcomed as liberators vanished the day you found out you weren't on exercises but actually inside Ukraine because nobody in the Russian army tells anyone anything. Now take that cunt and redeploy him to the Donbass region after everything he now knows... you think he's about to sacrifice himself to the greater good of mother Russia against a force that's kicking their arses all ways but Sunday? Is he fuck.. concentrating all your forces in the Donbas region simply means Ukraine concentrates all its forces in the same region and i know what army i'm putting my money on
I wish I shared that optimism. I think if the west continues to fail to supply Ukraine with what they've been asking for (Longer range Anti Air, artillery, jets, tanks,etc) then the situation in that area might get out of control. Even if they manage to hold off Russian assaults, its still unlikely they'll be able to take back pieces of that territory without more equipment.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I wish I shared that optimism. I think if the west continues to fail to supply Ukraine with what they've been asking for (Longer range Anti Air, artillery, jets, tanks,etc) then the situation in that area might get out of control. Even if they manage to hold off Russian assaults, its still unlikely they'll be able to take back pieces of that territory without more equipment.

For sure. So far they’ve proven they make good use of gear, let’s hope that encourages governments.

Personally given how much of a bitch Putin has become in the past 20 years if I was in government I’d be rushing to help Ukraine just to get back at him.
 
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This war has years left how do you think the conflict began.
There’s no way it can continue at this pace for that long. Russia’s going to struggle to keep its forces equipped (unless aided by China) with all the sanctions, while Ukraine will keep getting tons of aid from the west.

It’s possible some level of conflict will be ongoing in disputed areas for a long period of time, like years, but I bet it’s far more concentrated in specific areas Russia wants to capture rather than a full on effort to topple the government and annex the entire country
 

sinnergy

Member
It made me think how quickly will the world forget and/or forgive Russians for their barbaric actions in Ukraine. We did forgive Germans rather quickly after WW2.
My grandfather which was a English war veteran forgave them, he was president of operation market garden after the war .. that was around 2008 or so. He held memorials with both sides. So it took a while .
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Russia suspended from the UN Human Rights Council.


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UNITED NATIONS, April 7 (Reuters) - The United Nations General Assembly on Thursday suspended Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council over reports of "gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights" by invading Russian troops in Ukraine.

The U.S.-led push garnered 93 votes in favor, while 24 countries voted no and 58 countries abstained. A two-thirds majority of voting members in the 193-member General Assembly in New York - abstentions do not count - was needed to suspend Russia from the 47-member Geneva-based Human Rights Council.

Suspensions are rare. Libya was suspended in 2011 because of violence against protesters by forces loyal to then-leader Muammar Gaddafi.

It was the third resolution adopted by the 193-member General Assembly since Russia invaded neighboring Ukraine on Feb. 24. The two previous General Assembly resolutions denouncing Russia were adopted with 141 and 140 votes in favor.

The resolution adopted on Thursday expresses "grave concern at the ongoing human rights and humanitarian crisis in Ukraine," particularly at reports of rights abuses by Russia.

Russia's deputy U.N. Ambassador Gennady Kuzmin said now was not the time for "theatrical performances" and accused Western countries and allies of trying to "destroy existing human rights architecture."

"We reject the untruthful allegations against us based on staged events and widely circulated fakes," Kuzmin told the General Assembly before the vote, defending Russia's record as a Human Rights Council member.

After abstaining on the previous two General Assembly votes, Russia's partner China opposed the resolution Thursday.

"Such a hasty move at the General Assembly, which forces countries to choose sides, will aggravate the division among member states, intensify the confrontation between the parties concerned - it is like adding fuel to the fire," China's U.N. Ambassador Zhang Jun said before the vote.

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Gp1

Member

First time that they are admitting major troop losses. Looks like something smells fishy at the home front.
 

Nikodemos

Member

First time that they are admitting major troop losses. Looks like something smells fishy at the home front.
Smells pretty dirty to me. Sounds like Putler is trying to manufacture a sunk cost situation. "Look how many we've lost, we can't let their deaths go unavenged! The Russian people must stay strong to win this!"

Or some garbage like that.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Some additional bits on the UN HRC resolution. Russia of course threatened any country that abstained or voted in support of the resolution.

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The resolution received 93 votes in favor and 24 against, and 58 countries abstained. China had said before the vote that it would not support the measure, and India, Brazil, Mexico and United Arab Emirates — all members of the U.N. Security Council — abstained from voting. Their arguments included that the move could worsen the war, and that further investigation of reported atrocities was needed before the United Nations took action.

They also said the United Nations should focus on ending the conflict through diplomatic negotiations. “When innocent human lives are at stake, diplomacy must prevail as the only viable option,” India’s ambassador, T.S. Tirumurti, said.

Russia’s suspension, by contrast, comes in the face of its blanket denials of any rights violations in Ukraine. The Kremlin had warned that it would consider votes in support of the resolution or even abstentions as “unfriendly” acts that would have consequences for its relations with those countries.

Russia has been active in Council proceedings challenging any resolutions critical of individual countries, particularly allies such as Syria and Belarus, and proposing amendments aimed at undercutting a wide range of rights initiatives.
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I don’t know if it makes any sense suspending Russia from this council. It is almost like internet cancelation arrived in the UN specially when you still have countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia in there. What actually should be discussed is if the security council should have more members or Russia should be removed from having a permanent seat.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores


Sophisticated:

dumb patrick star GIF by SpongeBob SquarePants

"We'll have to make our western flank more sophisticated in terms of ensuring our security," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told Britain's Sky News

...ensuring our security (from a self defensive counterattack)

Given the circumstances, this is what it seems like. Russia doesn't want strong bordering countries because it'll be easier to thwart Russia's invasions.
 
I don’t know if it makes any sense suspending Russia from this council. It is almost like internet cancelation arrived in the UN specially when you still have countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia in there. What actually should be discussed is if the security council should have more members or Russia should be removed from having a permanent seat.

it suspended Libya in 2011
 
Some additional bits on the UN HRC resolution. Russia of course threatened any country that abstained or voted in support of the resolution.

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The resolution received 93 votes in favor and 24 against, and 58 countries abstained. China had said before the vote that it would not support the measure, and India, Brazil, Mexico and United Arab Emirates — all members of the U.N. Security Council — abstained from voting. Their arguments included that the move could worsen the war, and that further investigation of reported atrocities was needed before the United Nations took action.

They also said the United Nations should focus on ending the conflict through diplomatic negotiations. “When innocent human lives are at stake, diplomacy must prevail as the only viable option,” India’s ambassador, T.S. Tirumurti, said.

Russia’s suspension, by contrast, comes in the face of its blanket denials of any rights violations in Ukraine. The Kremlin had warned that it would consider votes in support of the resolution or even abstentions as “unfriendly” acts that would have consequences for its relations with those countries.

Russia has been active in Council proceedings challenging any resolutions critical of individual countries, particularly allies such as Syria and Belarus, and proposing amendments aimed at undercutting a wide range of rights initiatives.
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What is the point of Russia in Human rights, if they do not give 2 Fucks about it?

  • It is fake news
  • We did not do it
  • The recordings are not ours or are fake

Please let me continue to commit abominable acts against civilians, for the war I started, while I say they are the ones making those terrible acts!!!!

How dare you try to place me in my place!!!!! Everyone is a bully!!!, Let my soldiers kill and rape, you are the real monsters!!!
 

Darius87

Member
Ukrainian's finishing heavy injured russian...
this is not far from butcha was filmed at the end of march when russians where retreating so it could be these russians where involved in massacre of civilians, they get one and only thing they deserve .. death.
 
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