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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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Chill with the inflammatory language. You must realise it puts peoples backs up! I think the discussion went well in here yesterday when people were civil.

Sometimes people need to get their opinions off their chest and then go about their business and not bother the thread for the rest of the week. 😃

It's freedom of thought and speech. We should be thankful we have a place like neogaf where we can partake in it.

(By inflammatory I mean 'idiotic bullshit' not yourv thoughts on the Russian army. 😘)

The discussion went well when you posted Russian space lasers and then failed to acknowledge your own bullshit.

Instead of giving a weird commentary on what you think other posters are doing why not engage in the actual topic? For example I gave you a very nuanced (which is apparently what you want *cough*) reply to your neoliberal post that you completely ignored. Do you have no further thoughts on your own subject?
 
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Bitmap Frogs

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Chill with the inflammatory language. You must realise it puts peoples backs up! I think the discussion went well in here yesterday when people were civil.

Sometimes people need to get their opinions off their chest and then go about their business and not bother the thread for the rest of the week. 😃

It's freedom of thought and speech. We should be thankful we have a place like neogaf where we can partake in it.

(By inflammatory I mean 'idiotic bullshit' not yourv thoughts on the Russian army. 😘)

That's the second time I see you rush in defense of the torturing-kidnapping-raping-murdering horde of not-quite-potty-trained beasts that is the russian army.
 

FunkMiller

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Chill with the inflammatory language. You must realise it puts peoples backs up! I think the discussion went well in here yesterday when people were civil.

Sometimes people need to get their opinions off their chest and then go about their business and not bother the thread for the rest of the week. 😃

It's freedom of thought and speech. We should be thankful we have a place like neogaf where we can partake in it.

(By inflammatory I mean 'idiotic bullshit' not yourv thoughts on the Russian army. 😘)

Fuck outta here with your tone policing bullshit 😂😂😂 The mods will smack my dumb ass if they need to. They don’t need your help.

Don’t like the language, don‘t have to stick around.
 

ItsGreat

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The discussion went well when you posted Russian space lasers and then failed to acknowledge your own bullshit.

Instead of giving a weird commentary on what you think other posters are doing why not engage in the actual topic? For example I gave you a very nuanced (which is apparently what you want *cough*) reply to your neoliberal post that you completely ignored. Do you have no further thoughts on your own subject?

No. I thought your reply was great and needed no further reply. I don't understand your issue? Do you have to argue everything or something?
 

Liljagare

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Chill with the inflammatory language. You must realise it puts peoples backs up! I think the discussion went well in here yesterday when people were civil.

Sometimes people need to get their opinions off their chest and then go about their business and not bother the thread for the

Stopped reading, and no@u.

One side is busy raping, murdering and pillaging, other side is defending itself.

If you can't grasp the difference, you are just, meaningless.
 

ItsGreat

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I have no sympathy for the Russian State or the soldiers that doing despicable disgusting inhumane war crimes. It's all the poor bastards (on both sides) who are caught up in this terrible war whose lives are getting table top gamed away I feel for.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

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I have no sympathy for the Russian State or the soldiers that doing despicable disgusting inhumane war crimes. It's all the poor bastards (on both sides) who are caught up in this terrible war whose lives are getting table top gamed away I feel for.

Good to hear.

You'll have plenty of opportunities to express your feelings as Russia has a knack for targetting civilians. And more torture chambers are bound to show up in the liberated territories.
 
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MrA

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I have no sympathy for the Russian State or the soldiers that doing despicable disgusting inhumane war crimes. It's all the poor bastards (on both sides) who are caught up in this terrible war whose lives are getting table top gamed away I feel for.
there are Russians that are just caught up in it, which some here seem to forget, poor, unarmed, and thousands of miles from Moscow (I'm certain Putin is focusing on the conscription of ethnic minorities because he's a bastard) hence why we should celebrate Russians surrendering and the Ukrainians showing humanity and compassion and treating them well. But the vast majority of Ukrainians (if not nearly all) are all in on fighting back,I doubt you'd find many Ukrainian armed forces that believe they were being treated as a game piece. it's their home, their people, and they get to decide what they fight for, how far they'll go, and what sacrifices they'll make, not a comfortable war is bad mmmmm-kay observer
 

Nester99

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I think his point is that "Dehumanizing" of any kind will not create any positive outcomes other then your temporary feels.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
There's reports that they're now having conscripts surrendering who are wearing flip-flops - they don't even have boots. Hopefully this is ending real soon.
 

Brazen

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This image is being shared internationally according to my wife who is from Russia. Things aren’t looking good at all.

As it should. First thing I was reminded of when I saw that picture was one of the more disturbing moments in Schindler's List. It's horrifying enough looking back on it through our history. I never thought I would witness something like that today. Sickening...
 
There definitely feels like a change in the air with these successful counter offenses by Ukrainians. It is heart warming to see these guys retake their occupied territories, On another note this music video is doing the rounds thought some might find it interesting



If memory serves it is an Irish song about British oppression slightly erm "reworded" shall we say.
 
Poland suggests hosting US nuclear weapons amid growing fears of Putin’s threats

Poland says it has asked to have US nuclear weapons based on its territory, amid growing fears that Vladimir Putin could resort to using nuclear arms in Ukraine to stave off a rout of his invading army.

The request from the Polish president, Andrzej Duda, is widely seen as symbolic, as moving nuclear warheads closer to Russia would make them more vulnerable and less militarily useful, according to experts. Furthermore, the White House has said it had not received such a request.

“We’re not aware of this issue being raised and would refer you to the government of Poland,” a US official said.

Duda’s announcement appears to be the latest example of nuclear signalling as the US and its allies seek to deter Putin from the first nuclear use in battle since 1945, while preparing potential responses if deterrence fails that would have maximum punitive impact while containing the risk of escalation to all-out nuclear war.

Previous war games conducted by US administrations have shown that is a fine, and fuzzy, line to tread, given the uncertainty over Putin’s state of mind, and his record of giant miscalculations over Ukraine.

Duda’s remarks on basing nuclear weapons followed changes in the constitution of neighbouring Belarus that would allow Russian nuclear weapons to be based on its territory.

The Polish president said there was “a potential opportunity” for Poland to take part in “nuclear sharing”, by which pilots from the host country are trained to fly missions carrying US nuclear bombs, which are stored on their territory.

“We have spoken with American leaders about whether the United States is considering such a possibility. The issue is open,” Duda told Gazeta Polska.

Moving US nuclear weapons into Poland could be a violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the Nato-Russia Founding Act in 1997, after the end of the Cold War in which Nato stated it had no plan to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of new members. Russia has meanwhile violated its own commitments under the act
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/05/poland-us-nuclear-wars-russia-putin-ukraine

Now this is a truly horrible idea and a dangerous game. Just as I talked of yesterday, this is playing out as Herman Kahn wrote about in On Escalation.

EDIT: I decided to look through it again and came across a RAND study that built on Kahn's earlier work. Given how I've been saying you need to understand your opponent and their mindset, I found this particular section very interesting:

Appendix B provides an extensive sampling from the primary Soviet literature, but it seems more appropriate in the text to rely on summary conclusions from Soviet specialists. In one such summary, RAND collogue Benjamin Lambeth (1981a) notes five constant Soviet themes: (1) The best deterrent is an effective warfighting capability; (2) victory is possible (or at least to be pursued vigorously, even if the "winner" will suffer horrible losses); (3) it pays to strike first; (4) restraint is foolhardy; and (5) numbers matter.*​
*See also Ermarth (1978) and Douglass (1980).​
We're eliminating (1) by grinding down their forces. They are enabling (5) with mass mobilization. (2), (3) and (4) all lead to a really, really bad outcome.
 
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Tams

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I have no sympathy for the Russian State or the soldiers that doing despicable disgusting inhumane war crimes. It's all the poor bastards (on both sides) who are caught up in this terrible war whose lives are getting table top gamed away I feel for.
And yet the path you suggest would turn Ukraine into utter pawns.

But hey, maybe you should go back to reading Ayn Rand. Actually, maybe don't. It'll just make you a worse person.
 

Meicyn

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Now this is a truly horrible idea and a dangerous game. Just as I talked of yesterday, this is playing out as Herman Kahn wrote about in On Escalation.

EDIT: I decided to look through it again and came across a RAND study that built on Kahn's earlier work. Given how I've been saying you need to understand your opponent and their mindset, I found this particular section very interesting:

Appendix B provides an extensive sampling from the primary Soviet literature, but it seems more appropriate in the text to rely on summary conclusions from Soviet specialists. In one such summary, RAND collogue Benjamin Lambeth (1981a) notes five constant Soviet themes: (1) The best deterrent is an effective warfighting capability; (2) victory is possible (or at least to be pursued vigorously, even if the "winner" will suffer horrible losses); (3) it pays to strike first; (4) restraint is foolhardy; and (5) numbers matter.*​
*See also Ermarth (1978) and Douglass (1980).​
We're eliminating (1) by grinding down their forces. They are enabling (5) with mass mobilization. (2), (3) and (4) all lead to a really, really bad outcome.
While I am in agreement, the article literally states that the request is symbolic, akin to Ukraine’s application to NATO a bit ago, or as the article stated, Belarus potentially hosting Russian nukes via a change to their constitution. There is no strategic value in recreating the Cuban Missile Crisis in a different millennium on another continent. This is much ado about nothing.
 

akimbo009

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While I am in agreement, the article literally states that the request is symbolic, akin to Ukraine’s application to NATO a bit ago, or as the article stated, Belarus potentially hosting Russian nukes via a change to their constitution. There is no strategic value in recreating the Cuban Missile Crisis in a different millennium on another continent. This is much ado about nothing.

This is correct. He's also implying Polish people don't understand the Russian/Soviet mindset which is.... Hilarious.
 
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