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[Whitecrow]

Looks like we're at the beginning of an escalation. Putin is asking for what is basically a NATO intervention, then he will answer with nukes if that happens. Man I cant believe this is happening.

 

[Von Hugh]

What an evil little manlet that Putin is.

Edit: Man -> manlet

 

[mxbison]

Waiting for comments from all the clowns talking about peace offers and referendums...

 

[Tams]

Waiting for comments from all the clowns talking about peace offers and referendums...

Twatter already has quite a few.

 

[Roll Fizzlebeef]

This is rather expected after the bridge explosion.

The likely nato response will be a huge bump in air defense systems

 

[IDKFA]

Looks like we're at the beginning of an escalation. Putin is asking for what is basically a NATO intervention, then he will answer with nukes if that happens. Man I cant believe this is happening.

I really hope Putin doesn't hit the nuke button. I'm hoping that if he does, Russian higher brass see how absolutely stupid this would be and prevent the strike, while at the same time giving Putin a bullet to the head for the trouble.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Revenge for the bridge.

This is the price they pay for exposing Russia’s failures.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Twatter already has quite a few.

There’s even a clown currently enrolled in a NY college who tweeted that according to dialectical analysis Putin is playing a progressive role in the conflict.

Granted she’s a member of PCUSA (a splinter from the American Communist Party) so mental issues are to be expected.

 

[Aggelos]

 

[nemiroff]

Kills, rapes and tortures civilians for months. Blames terrorism when bridge to invaded land eats a bomb. Then targets and kills civilians as revenge. Ruzzians in a nutshell.

 

[Tumle]

Looks like we're at the beginning of an escalation. Putin is asking for what is basically a NATO intervention, then he will answer with nukes if that happens. Man I cant believe this is happening.

why is this an escalation? haven't they already done these kind of strikes before?

 

[Whitecrow]

why is this an escalation? haven't they already done these kind of strikes before?

Not really. Not likes those ones I think.

Anyways, ukraine hits a major blow to Russia. Russia responds with major blows hitting civilians. That's just how escalations start.

 

[Nikodemos]

why is this an escalation? haven't they already done these kind of strikes before?

They're deliberately targeting infrastructure, like electricity and water. And the waves are much larger this time. We're talking dozens upon dozens of cruise missiles and suicide drones.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Time to give Ukraine the good stuff. 300km himars and bomb the fuck out of the crimean brigde until it's complete rubble. Every citizen crossing that bridge to and from Ruzzia is basically a collaborator or a russian invador.

 

[Darius87]

explosion in Kyiv on air



ukraine really hit putlers nerves with crimea bridge.

 

[MadAnon]

Russia is using it's only (but significant) advantage. Long range missiles launched from different platforms.

Covering Ukraine with decent aa is near impossible, especially when you need it at the frontlines to cover troops.

 

[sobaka770]

While city center shelling gets media attention now it's the power station shelling that is more damaging long term - especially as it's getting cold.
Expected after Putin's announcement yesterday. Escalation it is then.

 

[Tams]

This is just the same as threatening to use nuclear weapons, only actually carried out. "Do what I want or this continues".

i.e. State terrorism.

We can't give in to this shitstain manlet.

 

[captainnapalm]

I guess people don't know that up until now Putin has been very restrained. Even the NY Times said his restraint has baffled western officials. He's not targeted any critical infrastructure or supply hubs in Ukraine. I guess that's over.

Good to see at least one former top US official go on TV this weekend to call for a return to negotiations. I'm sure the neocons won't be happy.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

 

[UnNamed]

Give long range missiles to Ukraine.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

While city center shelling gets media attention now it's the power station shelling that is more damaging long term - especially as it's getting cold.
Expected after Putin's announcement yesterday. Escalation it is then.

Afaik only one power station got hit, according to early reports over half of the missiles were intercepted.

In any case this is not going to stop the Luhansk and Kherson counteroffensives,

 

[Lord Panda]

Give long range missiles to Ukraine.

Yep time to give the Ukrainians some ATACMS to go with the HIMARS and other long range weapons.

 

[Tams]

I guess people don't know that up until now Putin has been very restrained. Even the NY Times said his restraint has baffled western officials. He's not targeted any critical infrastructure or supply hubs in Ukraine. I guess that's over.

Good to see at least one former top US official go on TV this weekend to call for a return to negotiations. I'm sure the neocons won't be happy.

And how, pray tell, is this acceptable?

If Putin gets want he wants through terror this time, then what? Next time? I'm sure there'd be a next time.

No, Russia must be pushed out of all of Ukraine. For both Ukraine and the entire democratic world.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

What a fucking nightmare.

 

[mxbison]

I guess people don't know that up until now Putin has been very restrained. Even the NY Times said his restraint has baffled western officials. He's not targeted any critical infrastructure or supply hubs in Ukraine. I guess that's over.

Good to see at least one former top US official go on TV this weekend to call for a return to negotiations. I'm sure the neocons won't be happy.

What negotiations? Give the terrorist Putin what he wants and wait for the next round?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Jesus and just next to the presidential palace. Balls of steel.

 

[Lasha]

Russia is only good at bombing people who can't fight back. All those playgrounds and apartment buildings are definitely critical infrastructure.

 

[MadAnon]

I guess people don't know that up until now Putin has been very restrained. Even the NY Times said his restraint has baffled western officials. He's not targeted any critical infrastructure or supply hubs in Ukraine. I guess that's over.

Good to see at least one former top US official go on TV this weekend to call for a return to negotiations. I'm sure the neocons won't be happy.

So you would be glad to watch smaller nations turned into irrelevant states in the name of Putin's imperialistic desires? Sounds very much like the time shortly before WW2 when Hitler was "saving" germans from "oppression" by annexing new territories, while all the major world powers were tip toeing around Hitler just to avoid escalation.

 

[Tams]

Jesus and just next to the presidential palace. Balls of steel.

Putin won't target Zelenskyy though, at least while in prominent places.

As that would put the greenlight on for assassination attempts on himself. And boy are there probably a lot lined up ready to go.

 

[captainnapalm]

So you would be glad to watch smaller nations turned into irrelevant states in the name of Putin's imperialistic desires? Sounds very much like the time shortly before WW2 when Hitler was "saving" germans from "oppression" by annexing new territories, while all the major world powers were tip toeing around Hitler just to avoid escalation.

There are few things more important in world politics than avoiding a war between Russia and the west. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that.

And I'm one of those crazy people who doesn't think Ukraine can actually beat Russia in a war, no matter how many weapons you give them, so unfortunately negotiation with Russia is the only option. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that too.

And if negotiations don't eventually happen, it will mean something a lot worse happened, like the total destruction of Ukraine, or World War 3. It's just realpolitik to acknowledge that there's too much at stake here.

 

[Tams]

There are few things more important in world politics than avoiding a war between Russia and the west. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that.

And I'm one of those crazy people who doesn't think Ukraine can actually beat Russia in a war, no matter how many weapons you give them, so unfortunately negotiation with Russia is the only option. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that too.

And if negotiations don't eventually happen, it will mean something a lot worse happened, like the total destruction of Ukraine, or World War 3. It's just realpolitik to acknowledge that there's too much at stake here.

So what, pray tell, should those negotiations be?

You are aware that Putin has designs for almost the whole of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries? What would you think would be satisfactory to both sides?

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

 

[LimanimaPT]

I have such hatred for ruzzia at this moment that I can't even describe it. We are walking towards a total and complete disaster in Europe right now.
I can't see any way out of this.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Sounds like Belarus troops will reinforce Russian troops. Whether that means a new front or not, we will see.

 

[captainnapalm]

So what, pray tell, should those negotiations be?

I don't know but it would have to be some kind of negotiation about the Russian-speaking east of Ukraine and Crimea. It would surely be worth it to the world if that brought an end to the war.

Anyway, things are getting very bad this morning. Worrying times.

 

[Lasha]

There are few things more important in world politics than avoiding a war between Russia and the west. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that.

And I'm one of those crazy people who doesn't think Ukraine can actually beat Russia in a war, no matter how many weapons you give them, so unfortunately negotiation with Russia is the only option. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that too.

And if negotiations don't eventually happen, it will mean something a lot worse happened, like the total destruction of Ukraine, or World War 3. It's just realpolitik to acknowledge that there's too much at stake here.

A "cursory reading of history" also shows the value of negotiating with Russia on anything. Russia only understands capitulation. A "cursory reading of history" also highlights the result of appeasing dictators and Russia. Handing Ukraine to Russia is just going to embolden them to take more land in other countries.

 

[Ozriel]

I guess people don't know that up until now Putin has been very restrained. Even the NY Times said his restraint has baffled western officials. He's not targeted any critical infrastructure or supply hubs in Ukraine. I guess that's over.

Good to see at least one former top US official go on TV this weekend to call for a return to negotiations. I'm sure the neocons won't be happy.

He’s targeted critical infrastructure multiple times in the past. Dams, power stations, railways, bridges, among others. I know those aren’t covered extensively in the Russian Telegram groups you get your news from.

Everyone wants a return to peace. But that’s conditional on Russia taking their troops out of Ukraine and negotiating damages to be paid.

 

[RaduN]

I'm romanian, and i thank NATO for existing, and Ukraine for being so brave and resiliant.

Whoever says that Ukraine should negociate (surrender basically) and give up land, has no fucking clue what can of worms would be opened here in Europe.
Learn some fucking european history before opening your retarded mouths.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

I don't know but it would have to be some kind of negotiation about the Russian-speaking east of Ukraine and Crimea. It would surely be worth it to the world if that brought an end to the war.

Anyway, things are getting very bad this morning. Worrying times.

There's not going to be any negotations until Putin is removed from power. That much is clear.


They just need to get the fuck out of Ukraine, and leave all they have stolen over the years.

No other way around it.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

I'm romanian, and i thank NATO for existing, and Ukraine for being so brave and resiliant.

Whoever says that Ukraine should negociate (surrender basically) and give up land, has no fucking clue what can of worms would be opened here in Europe.
Learn some fucking european history before opening your retarded mouths.

Also this.

 

[captainnapalm]

He’s targeted critical infrastructure multiple times in the past. Dams, power stations, railways, bridges, among others. I know those aren’t covered extensively in the Russian Telegram groups you get your news from.

Everyone wants a return to peace. But that’s conditional on Russia taking their troops out of Ukraine and negotiating damages to be paid.

Well, he has been limited in his targeting of infrastructure. It's not from Russian sources. It's from the NYT, like I said.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah, one is showing a definitive situation where the parties involved are clear.
The other might indicate something by whomever.

But sure, if what's indicated is true, that is obviously a way worse atrocity.
Humans are trash. That's sadly nothing new.

The video has been checked and verified. You don’t get to wriggle out of it by suggesting it’s faked.

And No. Humans are not all trash. The humans who commit these war crimes are the trash and deserve to die. Stop with the both sides stuff, eh?

 

[FunkMiller]

There are few things more important in world politics than avoiding a war between Russia and the west. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that.

And I'm one of those crazy people who doesn't think Ukraine can actually beat Russia in a war, no matter how many weapons you give them, so unfortunately negotiation with Russia is the only option. Any cursory reading of history will tell you that too.

And if negotiations don't eventually happen, it will mean something a lot worse happened, like the total destruction of Ukraine, or World War 3. It's just realpolitik to acknowledge that there's too much at stake here.

Read the last sentence of E. Would you be so keen on negotiations if it was your country he’d invaded?

Let me answer for you… No. You wouldn’t.

 

[LimanimaPT]

I know the solution for this: evacuate the entire population of Ukraine to other countries, and then give more powerfull weapons to Ukraine.
Let those fucking ruzzians throw bombs at nothing while destroying their military. That would be something I'd like to see..

 

[Aggelos]

Explosive wave of the missile strike

 

[Ozriel]

Well, he has been limited in his targeting of infrastructure. It's not from Russian sources. It's from the NYT, like I said.

And if you bothered to read the article, you’d see that some of that ‘restraint’ includes not attacking supply hubs outside Ukraine in the likes of Poland. In effect, saying he’s ‘restrained’ for not attacking NATO countries.

Even you should see how ludicrous that sounds.

 

[Tams]

I don't know but it would have to be some kind of negotiation about the Russian-speaking east of Ukraine and Crimea. It would surely be worth it to the world if that brought an end to the war.

Anyway, things are getting very bad this morning. Worrying times.

I thought as much. I was going to pre-emptively say, "and don't give me the 'I don't know' spiel", but I gave you a chance. You wasted it.

It would bring an end this war. But you have utterly failed to address my points. What if such a deal emboldened Russia to start another war to gain more territory? What of the discontent that would be widespread in Ukraine over ceding their territory?

And what of the specifics of the deal for the current war? What do you propose? What happens to Kherson or Zaporizhzhia? Russia would almost certainly demand them, yet they are without any doubt Ukrainian.

If you don't have any answers to those, then kindly don't come back here.

As for my answers? Ukraine should drive Russia out of all their territory and need all the support from the democratic world that they can get. This is ultimately an existential crisis for Ukraine and the democratic world. It isn't for Russia.

 

[GymWolf]

some warcrimes on video

The only warcrime i see here is the video being low res.

 

[Tams]

Well, he has been limited in his targeting of infrastructure. It's not from Russian sources. It's from the NYT, like I said.

Well.

1. If he hopes to capture this territory, mass destruction of critical infrastructure is going to do his forces no good.
2. Targeting government buildings risks killing high level government officials, if not Zelenskyy himself. The latter would be like signing his own death warrant.
3. Any attack on supply hubs outside of Ukraine would be an attack on a NATO member. I need say no more.