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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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TwinB242

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If Russia retreats from Northern Kherson over the dnipro, it can't be underestimated just how much of a major defeat that'll be for them for several reasons. The biggest since Kyiv, and bigger than Kharkiv

1) Thats been the site of some of the most fiercest fighting since the beginning of the war, especially recently. Russia has lost thousands of soldiers in what is a relatively small part of the frontline when you look at its size. All those Russians will have basically died for nothing.
2) Kherson city was the only regional capital Russia managed to capture since Feb 24th. From a political standpoint, losing it will be devastating.
3) Russian morale will plummet even further, while Ukranian soldiers will be in even higher spirits than they already are.
4) The river will make the perfect natural defense line that Ukraine will further fortify to make any future Russian offensive in that area basically impossible. Putin's dream of taking over Mykolaiv and Odessa to eventually build a land corridor with Transnistria will never be realized.

So yeah.....interesting times ahead.

Reposting this so people are aware of how big of a loss Kherson will be.
 

nemiroff

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Have they lost Kherson yet?
I'm on the edge of my seat here..
The Ukrainians are proceeding with extreme care, and wisely so. Everything in Kherson is mined, EVERYTHING. If it's completely abandoned and not an even more elaborate trap then it's still going to take a long time to undo all the ruzzian fuckery.


 
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Kerotan

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Mykolaiv almost entirely free now and they're closing in on Kherson city. But my eyes are on bakmut. Russia took the village south of it. Hopefully the city hold's. We don't want Russia getting a morale booster.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Not sure if this has been posted yet.

According to US officials, there have been an estimated 200,000 military deaths so far, with both Russia and Ukraine each losing around 100,000 each. On top of that, there are estimated to be around 40,000 civilian deaths.

Both Ukraine and Russia jealously guard their casualty numbers.

Moscow's last update in September said that just 5,937 troops had been killed since the start of the conflict, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu dismissing reports of a significantly higher death toll.

Ukraine has largely refrained from giving casualty figures. But in August, the armed forces' commander-in-chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, was quoted in Ukrainian media saying 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died so far.

The UN has said it does not consider figures released by those involved in the conflict to be reliable.


Fresh rounds of talks could also be on the cards for Ukraine and Russia.

signs Kyiv was willing to re-enter talks with Moscow offered "a window" for negotiations.

In recent days, Ukraine has signalled a willingness to hold some discussions with Moscow, after President Volodymyr Zelensky dropped a demand that his opposite number, Vladimir Putin, must be removed from power before negotiations could resume.

But speaking in New York, Gen Milley added that for any talks to be successful, both Russia and Ukraine would have to reach a "mutual recognition" that a wartime victory "is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means".

 

Ozriel

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Not sure if this has been posted yet.

According to US officials, there have been an estimated 200,000 military deaths so far, with both Russia and Ukraine each losing around 100,000 each. On top of that, there are estimated to be around 40,000 civilian deaths.

Both Ukraine and Russia jealously guard their casualty numbers.

Moscow's last update in September said that just 5,937 troops had been killed since the start of the conflict, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu dismissing reports of a significantly higher death toll.

Ukraine has largely refrained from giving casualty figures. But in August, the armed forces' commander-in-chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, was quoted in Ukrainian media saying 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died so far.

The UN has said it does not consider figures released by those involved in the conflict to be reliable.


Fresh rounds of talks could also be on the cards for Ukraine and Russia.

signs Kyiv was willing to re-enter talks with Moscow offered "a window" for negotiations.

In recent days, Ukraine has signalled a willingness to hold some discussions with Moscow, after President Volodymyr Zelensky dropped a demand that his opposite number, Vladimir Putin, must be removed from power before negotiations could resume.

But speaking in New York, Gen Milley added that for any talks to be successful, both Russia and Ukraine would have to reach a "mutual recognition" that a wartime victory "is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means".

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Please note that 'casualties' isn't the same as 'deaths'.

You'd expect the KIA proportion to be much higher for russians because at least Ukrainians are able to get medical care to their wounded much faster.
 

Tams

Gold Member

Lol, Russia thinking 'an agreement' with the Americans would save them.

It makes sense if you're a delusional Russian moron trying to explain it away. Either you genuinely think the US are ultimately in charge, or need an excuse for the Russian forces failure.

Just to be clear, you need to be a Russian orc to think that.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
I get confused with this type of rounds. Are this guided somehow?

GLMRS... Not guided. Area affect.

My understanding is 2 things have happened. 1/ UA has been sending drones, and precision arms at transfer points on the river. This has caused embarking to be severely slowed. 2/ this has trapped 14-20k orcs on the wrong side of the river which has effectively caused these (mostly conscripts) troops to totally break. It's not clear if UA is pummeling them as the enqueue or otherwise capturing them, etc.

Either way, it's a slaughter which will end up in what will like be in the high thousands KIA and similar numbers captured.

They are trapped, and are just a speed bump on getting a fire line at the edge of the river to continue to push the contact lines out.

I'm curious if UA just holds gains here to re-enforces their northern front or they continue to push across and consolidate in the SE.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
Here's some mapping.... And more news it seems UA is pouring it on. Can't blame them... Russia needs to drain a little from the human gene pool.

 

akimbo009

Gold Member
This requires audio... But almost could sleep with it on repeat it's such a nice series of sounds (not for the orc bastards, it's continuous shelling)

 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
This is beautiful.

For all their hardliner talk, they succumbed to pressure in 3 months.

Now all we need is for Ukraine to push through Svatove which means they’ll get back a nice chunk of Luhansk and then it’s time to wait winter out.
 

6502

Member
So they are moving from the right bank to the left. Going from west to east.

This does not compute. Can someone explain?
 

FunkMiller

Member
The footage of those Russian soldiers crossing single file over the bridge is absolutely glorious. Not least because it means they would have to have dumped an awful lot of equipment before making such a crossing. Pathetic little men running away, empty handed.
 

Tams

Gold Member
It's, uh... flowing south? So if you follow the river, the left bank - the bank to your left - is west?

No need to be condescending. Quite a lot of people don't know that the convention with rivers is to follow the direction of flow as the front, and instead go off body relative directions on a map.
 

LimanimaPT

Member
The footage of those Russian soldiers crossing single file over the bridge is absolutely glorious. Not least because it means they would have to have dumped an awful lot of equipment before making such a crossing. Pathetic little men running away, empty handed.
Where can I see it?
 
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