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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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FunkMiller
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If they can. The slow pace of the counter offensive suggests they don't have the equipment or manpower to really push hard in a decisive manner, but there's no doubt this provides them with a decent opportunity to exploit Russia's internal problems.
Frankly, this is the time to unleash everything NATO can provide (tomahawks launched from US carriers for instance) to take advantage, but I see no appetite for that unfortunately.
Rentahamster
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Echoes of 1917
Wildebeest
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Russian regular army are still there behind their minefields and artillery zeroed in. It isn't easy.
FunkMiller
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Well, if you ever wanted to witness the fall of a major nation on a scale not seen since the second world war... you may just get the chance this weekend.
Don't make any plans.
Don't make any plans.
RJMacready73
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Christ if that Uber cunt Medvedev has left the building the writing is on the wall
Rentahamster
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It'll be something if this really turns out to be Putin's "fuck around and find out" moment.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Wonder what is happening in Belarus.
If he got 25k... would't ruzzia have like millions... infinite amount of fodder ? like in ww2?
nemiroff
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This may not change a lot of what's happening on the battlefield right now. Most ruZZian soldiers won't even know what's going on, so they'll just keep fighting.
But yes; There's a chance that this might go in Ukraine's favor, and hopefully it'll snowball and gain real momentum before the chaos ends. We'll see.
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Agent_Nobody
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The guy has been dipping his toe in the Rubicon for a while now. When they ordered him to hold position in Ukraine and then demanded he hand over control of Wagner to the MOD it was like watching a repeat of the Roman senate ordering Caesar to hold position and give up his legions….With the exception that Prigozhin didn’t actually win any battles beforehand.
Back in May it was reported he was offering up Russian positions to Ukraine and had been talking with them for a while:
The guy isn’t stupid and he isn’t suicidal, which has made his statements against Putin and the Russian military all the more eyebrow raising over the last few months since it would normally be a death sentence for anyone else and there was virtually no direct response from Russia (they likely couldn’t touch him). The only way he would do this now is he knows he has solid backing and a fairly good chance at succeeding, you only make this move if you know you’ve got the advantage, since there’s no stalemate or backing down after a move like that, and he knows that, which tells me he has some serious backing.
Back in May it was reported he was offering up Russian positions to Ukraine and had been talking with them for a while:
The guy isn’t stupid and he isn’t suicidal, which has made his statements against Putin and the Russian military all the more eyebrow raising over the last few months since it would normally be a death sentence for anyone else and there was virtually no direct response from Russia (they likely couldn’t touch him). The only way he would do this now is he knows he has solid backing and a fairly good chance at succeeding, you only make this move if you know you’ve got the advantage, since there’s no stalemate or backing down after a move like that, and he knows that, which tells me he has some serious backing.
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V1LÆM
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I'm not an expert but doesn't Russia have an internal army? Well when I say Russia I mean Putin's private army because he's too shit scared of the military turning on him?
I'm reading things across the internet today and I saw that. This Wagner dude might be wiped out if he gets near Moscow. Fuck knows what'll happen but it's interesting times.
rofif
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25k military is nothing... remember millions were fighting and dying in ww2
Hero of Spielberg
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How are they planning on mobilising millions overnight?
V1LÆM
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Yeah I know. he might end up with more than 25k by the time he gets to Moscow. not that it'll really make much of a difference.
Need to wait and see how this all goes. I want some of that popcorn.
FunkMiller
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I'd say there's zero chance he's acting alone in this. The ease he rolled into Rostov (the nerve centre of the C&C for the war) speaks volumes.
Agent_Nobody
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That might have been a major obstacle to him taking over Russia if it wasn’t for the fact that most of the Russian army is sitting in Ukraine and the rest can likely by easily bribed.
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FunkMiller
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Exactly. Pigorzhin would know exactly where Russian troops are stationed. He's obviously been planning this for months... stockpiling resources, bribing officials... the whole nine yards.
RJMacready73
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This is utterly brilliant and couldn't happen to a more deserving cunt of a country, the fact that this is playing out real time is just fucking amazing but a part of me still thinks it's all theatrical bollocks
FunkMiller
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If it helps, every single verifiable military expert I follow, and all the ones being interviewed by major news outlets are all saying this is very real.
Jack Videogames
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Isn't the Wagner commander staunchly anti Ukraine? I've seen people suggesting he's trying to strongarm Putin into making him the new MoD.
Wouldn't this (or him rising to power, something unlikely I admit) be Bad News for Ukraine? He won't do any worse than the clowns in charge of the invasion now.
Wouldn't this (or him rising to power, something unlikely I admit) be Bad News for Ukraine? He won't do any worse than the clowns in charge of the invasion now.
FunkMiller
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The rebels in Chechnya will be watching all of this with great interest...
Liljagare
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Another aircraft leaving Moscow to St. Petersburg from Special Flight Detachment. The whole gang is leaving!
BBC got nice coverage:
BBC got nice coverage:
Putin says leaders of Wagner mutiny want Russia 'choked in bloody strife'
Russian President Vladimir Putin has addressed the nation after an attempted mutiny at the weekend.
www.bbc.com
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RJMacready73
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Im seeing the same shit but there hasn't been any actual fighting per se, the man is heading up the motorway in a very easily distinguishable convoy, so where is the jets straffin the fuck out of it, whys it not being attacked, has the MOD/Putin lost complete control over the rest of the Army/Airforce? I don't get it, Shoigu knows that he's coming for his head there's no way out for him so why isn't he fighting and taking out that convoy in an area that won't result in massive civilian casualties (like they fucking care anyways) something's not right, it's all to easy and choreographed
RJMacready73
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Wouldnt it be great to see them go at it, same with Belerus, hell Georgia should go kick out the detachment as well, every country in the world is just sitting back waiting to see
Hero of Spielberg
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You’ve got the only competent force storming the capital and your president and everyone is fleeing. Would you be risking your life to stop them?
FunkMiller
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Pigorzhin wouldn't have started this without knowing he had allies within both the GRU and FSB. And he'll also know what Russia's actually military capabilities are. There are battles going on between the two forces, but as you say, not as many as you'd expect. This suggests that deals have been done.
Liljagare
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FunkMiller
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Both Chechen and Belarussian rebels have been waiting a long time for Putin's powerbase to crack.
I fully expect uprisings in both countries, should Pigorzhin prove in any way successful in the coming days.
FunkMiller
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Agent_Nobody
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There’s no more strong-arming over anything anymore, he’s well past that line, there’s no pardon or way out from this other than winning or dying, if Putin handed over the MOD right now he would literally be handing over the country. So no that definitely isn’t Prigozhin‘s game plan.
In regards to Ukraine he can’t fight a civil campaign and fight Ukraine at the same time, even if he takes over completely he will be stuck consolidating the country keeping him from a launching any serious campaign in Ukraine. Win or lose either way Russian troops have to be pulled back from Ukraine in the middle of a counter-offensive and the timing couldn’t be worse. It’s win-win for Ukraine no matter which way you cut it.
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FunkMiller
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Belarus and Chechnya will both explode if it looks like Putin's power is slipping.
ThisIsMyDog
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If Putin is gone then Russia is going to implode
FunkMiller
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Yep. There will be uprisings in all of the republics, who have been cowed by Putin's perceived power in recent years.
China will also look to strike in Manchuria.
There's been blood in the water for months, and Pigorzhin's just opened a vein.
Yoboman
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War... has changed.
It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines.
War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine.
War has changed.
ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nano-machines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities.
Genetic control, information control, emotion control... battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control.
War - has changed.
The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from Weapons of Mass Destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed... When the battlefield is under total control, war becomes routine.
Rentahamster
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