Days like these...
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And I'm telling you how I see it. People are too apathetic and nihilistic to give a shit about anything in Russia that's why he's in power not because of "loyalty".
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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FunkMiller
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You’re looking at it wrong. The mere fact Prigorzhin got as far as he did indicates a high level of weakness of Putin’s military. Putin relies on a strong man image to retain power. That image is now shattered. Others will seek to take advantage of the fact Putin can’t put a putsch of this size down immediately, and violently.
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Apocryphon
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Putin definitely got heavily rocked by this.
Right now I’m assuming the FSB started rounding up Wagner families or something.
Right now I’m assuming the FSB started rounding up Wagner families or something.
Well, you clearly aren't familiar with russians and their mentality, which Putin developed and honed since he came to power. If you lived in an ex-soviet country with a large russian population like I do, then you would know better. Their devotion to Putin and his rethoric is second to none.
It's like when people were parroting the whole "when zinc coffins start to come back russian mothers will finally stand up just like they did during Soviet invasion of Afghanistan". It gave me a good chuckle. Now everyone is surprised how russian mothers happily send their sons to war and treat their death as heroic sacrifice in the name of Russia. Russian society since Putin came to power has significantly changed.
Westerners and scandinavians are especially clueless in this regard. That's why they've been so ignorant about this growing cancer that is Putin's Russia until this invasion.
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Chiggs
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Huh? All the West has heard about since 2016 has been how evil Russia is. That's 7 years of Russia, Russia, Russia.
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Russian mothers are getting the big pile of money of life insurance when their soldier children die in the war.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
When people don't have to be bussed in, forced, coerced or cajoled to go to parades. I'll buy what you're selling.
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BlackTron
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Is it even really happening, or are they just buying into it?
I can't help but think that the Russian government would just try to kick the can until they go away in many cases
What is told is that russian soldiers are now being well paid in order to increase their numbers, parents see that as a financial opportunity.
I wouldn't be sadly that surprised because countries like Russia and China have their history over the last 200 years based on massive repressions and wars, for them, war crimes were just your typical day. The reason why NATO survived the fall of Soviet Union was because the eastern european countries wanted to be secured from any attempt from Russia repressing them again as they did during the imperial and soviet times, ever wondered why they were the first ones to tear down communist governments and in case of the USSR members, leave the union right after it was allowed to do so?
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BlackTron
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Ok, so how about once the soldier is killed? At that point there is no longer any benefit for the government to pay, aside from reputation, not that that ever counted for anything before.
They do, its a KIA compensation that's worth 42k euros, wounded soldiers get half.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Putin came out of this looking real bad.
Fools idol
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Prigozhin's spent 9 years in a Soviet prison, leading a ring of thieves and murderers and drug dealers as a teenager. He sat in the front line, training much like a conqueror or a leader of old times.
Compare that with Putin, who spent his days making coffee for KGB agents is now a poseur working on his image, like Twitter gym bros.
Russians will detect who's real & who's not. The shattered bear riding dream of the pompous days are numbered.
Compare that with Putin, who spent his days making coffee for KGB agents is now a poseur working on his image, like Twitter gym bros.
Russians will detect who's real & who's not. The shattered bear riding dream of the pompous days are numbered.
MisterFalcon
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Just imagine what Prigozhin must think of Russian resolve compared to Ukraine. Fighting for months to take a small town versus getting the government on their knees in a day.
That is great Russia for you
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RJMacready73
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Liljagare
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Billions of roubles: Prigozhin claims Russian forces have found a van and 2 buses containing boxes of his money
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner Group Private Military Company, has confirmed that Russian security forces have found boxes full of money near his office in St Petersburg. Russian media reported that the boxes contain a total of 4 billion roubles (approximately US$47 million).
www.pravda.com.ua
I cant see him being alive for much longer.
Hoping it gave something for Ukraine at the front, morale will probarly have been affected among the RuSSkie troops.
Seems there are some pretty big pushes.
Defense Forces launch offensive in several directions at once in eastern Ukraine â Maliar
The Eastern Grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has launched the offensive in several directions at once. â Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
2022: Russia invades Ukraine
2023: Russia invades Russia
Honk, honk.
2023: Russia invades Russia
Honk, honk.
Corpsepyre
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Coup, written by Dan Weiss & David Benioff.
Neff
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The Putin who shat himself for all the world to see yesterday is not the Putin he's conditioned Russia to believe in.
Russians won’t even , was nothing on tv about this in Russia
Tams
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Well, it seems that the MOD attacked Wagner and Prigozhin had to react, if only to save face in front of his troops. He likely had larger designs, but he was forced.
Russian forces in Rostov-on-Don decided that it wasn't their battle, and likely that either someone else would deal with Wagner or supported him. Apart from some of the airforce who promptly got shot down.
He then had to send Wagner troops towards Moscow as his hand had been forced.
Putin panicked and said some superlative stuff.
They both realised it wasn't worth keeping this nonsense up and Putin knows that Wagner troops are some of the best he's got, so Lukashenko was made to feel important by 'brokering' a deal between them.
Prigozhin isn't going to go to Belerus without some significant security.
What I'm concerned about is that maybe they are planning on him reopening up the front at the North of Ukraine.
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Kenpachii
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U can bet wagner is n1 putin enemy at this point. Absolute idiotic to not overtake the country or attempt it. Dude has his days numbered.
Rat Rage
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Maybe that was Prigozhins plan: to expose Russia's awful leadership.
Agent_Nobody
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Putin blinked. He said this beforehand:
The fact that they just willy nilly agreed with the Belarus‘s president to solve it, doesn’t stand the smell test…it smells like bullshit. He can’t let the quote above stand and be the supposedly ‘strong‘ leader he is, while letting everyone live. At the same time Prighozin probably knows that too.
You just had a guy take over two cities with military installations, blew down Russian military aircraft and blitzed towards Moscow in record time and forced them to dig ditches and destroy roads, and that was after Putin outlawing them all and threatening to obliterate them while they continued to blitz towards it.
The fact that they just willy nilly agreed with the Belarus‘s president to solve it, doesn’t stand the smell test…it smells like bullshit. He can’t let the quote above stand and be the supposedly ‘strong‘ leader he is, while letting everyone live. At the same time Prighozin probably knows that too.
Madserb2023
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This whole thing is strange and reminds me what happened in Turkey. Not sure if real or not. Could be an excuse to escalate the situation as some commentators have been saying. Make it look like it is life or death for Russia. I mean technically Russia has more powerful weapons they have not used yet outside of Nuclear but Vacuum bombs like the FOAB etc are for just killing high numbers of people and I would like to think that the guy has some sanity yet.
NoLootBoxDev
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NoLootBoxDev
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Stupid cunts , everyone knows lick finger hold up , feel wind direction
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justonething
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Prigozhin knew he would die at least from the moment he realized he couldn't rally enough support. Lukashitco probably told him you're still going to die if you reverse, but at least you'll have a bit more time to live and say goodbye to your family.
LimanimaPT
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He got away with shit. "I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, don't try to stop us" and in the end he just runned away like the coward he is.
No idea, they where near that plant .. who knows .
LimanimaPT
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I don't think there are nukes in the power plant. Unless you're McGyver and know how to make one with gum and plutonium.
Not that plant, maybe plant was the wrong word, a institute / building in Russia .
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NoLootBoxDev
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There is a video of some Ruzzian soldiers killing a Wagner guy. I bet this will intensify, so the guy who started the mess left his men to pay the price. I saw the video, and it was terrible (I thought it was going to be a shot in the head, but no, they cut his throat), but as some people pointed out, they did terrible things to the Ukrainian people, so I felt less bad.
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