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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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Panajev2001a

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so an influx of over 1k of africans a week who then get put up in hotels at the cost of the tax payer of 7m a day, plus 500k a year to store the boats they have used is a good thing?? could that money not go to the nhs if we stopped these gimmegrants coming over.
No need, we already gave £350 Million a week to the NHS a few years back, right ;)?
 
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clown.....so how come theres english building my sons school and working on the road to the school, coz it aint the 1k plus a week africans coming over here in there free hotel rooms.
Comes into a Ukraine thread, complains that the UK gov isn't fixing roads because of Ukraine, contradicts himself in next post that English lads are in fact building roads & schools by him! Complaint becomes invalid. UK government obviously has enough money to fix roads (and build schools) and help Ukraine!

Thanks for playing along on Spot the Idiot this week! You win the grand prize of a brand new place on the block list!
 

Liljagare

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There are major problems now with Russian artillery in Ukraine.



Helps with the huge effort of demining before being able to move forwards.

Making gains in the #Bakhmut direction and in western #Zaporizhia Oblast where Ukrainian forces continue to penetrate the Russian defensive layer ahead of the current extent of Ukrainian advances.



Encouraged to hear last night that two civilian ships have entered a Black Sea port to load nearly 20,000 tons of grain for African and Asian countries.

 
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Ironbunny

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Snyder in the below video making the right point of why the West and the rest of the world is playing word games with whats actually happening in Ukraine. Its genocide but we are doing all the same mistakes we did with the Nazi's. Just so that we dont have to take part in it _now_. When you dont say it you dont have to act.

Timothy Snyder is the American historian specializing in Eastern Europe and Soviets, including Ukraine. His interview for the European Pravda is focused on the Crime of Genocide, the gravest crime committed by Russians in Ukraine.

 
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Susurrus

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Bitmap Frogs

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Arond bahkmut the mostly poor trained recruits are losing ground.

Around Robotyne, however, the VDV is holding ground. It might even become Kreminna 2.0... same playbook: recruits lose ground, vdv comes and stalls ukraine's forces.

Ukraine managed to end Wagner in Bakhmut, maybe they can end the vdv through attrition.
 

FUBARx89

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Multiple reports tonight Ramzan Kadyrov is dead.

A destabilised Chechnya is very helpful to Ukraine.

Abit conspiracy theorist of me, but what are the chances Putin has had something to do with it, the borked coup will have him clearing the board of anyone who could be a threat to him.

Eitherway. Fuck him and his dad for betraying their country in the 2nd Checnya war and becoming Putins satalite state.
 

RAÏSanÏa

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The part of the strategy for reducing racism in Russia for migrant workers from central Asia by simultaneously creating a slave class from relocated Ukrainian forced labour to build imagined cities in Siberia is quite the imaginative genocidal social plan for their neobarbaric world order.

The muscovite conclusion that the West would find Ukraine uninteresting if that happened seems erroneous.


That's what a Storm Shadow delayed detonation would look like in joining Rostov-on-rub-a-sub-bub with Moskva and Minsk in a tub.
 

Liljagare

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First Genocide Case against Russia. How Ukraine and 32 Countries Sue Kremlin in the Hague
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/articles/2023/09/18/7169639/
This joint lawsuit (Ukraine has won the first stage) is being considered by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) – the highest judicial institution in the world. The hearings will last for two weeks.

Denmark pledges to deliver 45 more tanks to Ukraine - 15 T-72EA (a modernised Czech variant of the T-72, produced by Czech armaments concern Excalibur Army) as well as 30 Leopard 1 tanks. 🇩🇰🤝🇺🇦
 
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Liljagare

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New details of today's attack on the command post of the Russian Black Sea Fleet near Sevastopol have emerged.
According to the Ukrainian media, based on their sources in the Security Service of Ukraine, the military base was destroyed by missiles that hit the target precisely. It was a joint special operation of the Security Service of Ukraine, the Air Force and the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



The Russian generals designated this base as their backup command post so that they would not be caught behind the main deployment site.
The strike was carried out after the Security Service verified data that the commanders of the enemy fleet were indeed in the military unit.
 
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What do you guys think about Poland not arming Ukraine anymore as a result of the argument over grain imports. I was surprised by Ukraine wanting to sue an ally at a time like this, but then I also agree partly with Ukraine. We are still buying Russian gas but we won't buy Ukrainian grain. The whole thing strkes me as a bit ridiculous to be honest. I doubt it will have much impact as America can probably make up the difference with a stroke of a pen.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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What do you guys think about Poland not arming Ukraine anymore as a result of the argument over grain imports. I was surprised by Ukraine wanting to sue an ally at a time like this, but then I also agree partly with Ukraine. We are still buying Russian gas but we won't buy Ukrainian grain. The whole thing strkes me as a bit ridiculous to be honest. I doubt it will have much impact as America can probably make up the difference with a stroke of a pen.

It's election time in poland.

Because the governing party is a right wing populist party, they need to present as strong defenders of poland, hence the current ruckus. Keep in mind the grain issue is real, but like other countries that have the same issue, after elections are over it'll go into the backrooms again.
 
It's election time in poland.

Because the governing party is a right wing populist party, they need to present as strong defenders of poland, hence the current ruckus. Keep in mind the grain issue is real, but like other countries that have the same issue, after elections are over it'll go into the backrooms again.
It's a very real issue and I get that. It's one of the reasons Ukraine hasn't been admitted into the EU as well as other reasons. No other European can compete with Ukraine and it would hurt the agricultural sectors of Poland, France etc. We have the same issue with cheap Chinese steal. However it's not logically consistent. We have massively reduced Russian oil and gas, which has significantly hit the economies of Europe and plunged Germany into a recession and this was done knowingly, so important Ukrainian grain is no different, it would also give billions to Ukraine which sorts out funding for rebuilding. If economic stability was paramount we would be ending the war and buying Russian gas like no tomorrow.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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It's a very real issue and I get that. It's one of the reasons Ukraine hasn't been admitted into the EU as well as other reasons. No other European can compete with Ukraine and it would hurt the agricultural sectors of Poland, France etc. We have the same issue with cheap Chinese steal. However it's not logically consistent. We have massively reduced Russian oil and gas, which has significantly hit the economies of Europe and plunged Germany into a recession and this was done knowingly, so important Ukrainian grain is no different, it would also give billions to Ukraine which sorts out funding for rebuilding. If economic stability was paramount we would be ending the war and buying Russian gas like no tomorrow.

I agree with you, but the reality is that integrating Ukraine into the European Union is going to be a challenge. Ukraine's size, population, agricultural exports... it's not going to be easy.
 

winjer

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There is a strong movement in the EU that is against further expansion, until the EU re-organizes itself.
Right now there are a handful of countries in the Balkans, with candidate status, that will probably have to wait a long time because of this.
And these are small countries, several with good conditions to enter the EU.
A country as big as Ukraine and with so many problems, would be even more difficult to manage.
And the Common Agricultural Policy is going to require a huge rethinking if ever Ukraine is to enter the EU.

But the main thing for Ukraine is to enter NATO. As this would make it immune from attacks from Russia and Belarus.
With this, Ukraine can be safe and focus on rebuilding and it's own development.

Another thing to remember is that just because a country is not a part of the EU, does not mean it can't receive financial help.
There are also many level's of cooperation and integration for countries outside of the EU.
For example, Switzerland is not a part of the EU, but it has so many agreements and policy deals, that it's just one step away from it.
Or, that there are countries that are not a part of the EU, but that are a part of Schengen.

And finally, we have to remember that Ukraine usually exports trough the Black Sea, into the wider world.
If it wasn't for the Russia blockade, Ukraine would not be so desperate to go through the EU.
 
There is a strong movement in the EU that is against further expansion, until the EU re-organizes itself.
Right now there are a handful of countries in the Balkans, with candidate status, that will probably have to wait a long time because of this.
And these are small countries, several with good conditions to enter the EU.
A country as big as Ukraine and with so many problems, would be even more difficult to manage.
And the Common Agricultural Policy is going to require a huge rethinking if ever Ukraine is to enter the EU.

But the main thing for Ukraine is to enter NATO. As this would make it immune from attacks from Russia and Belarus.
With this, Ukraine can be safe and focus on rebuilding and it's own development.

Another thing to remember is that just because a country is not a part of the EU, does not mean it can't receive financial help.
There are also many level's of cooperation and integration for countries outside of the EU.
For example, Switzerland is not a part of the EU, but it has so many agreements and policy deals, that it's just one step away from it.
Or, that there are countries that are not a part of the EU, but that are a part of Schengen.

And finally, we have to remember that Ukraine usually exports trough the Black Sea, into the wider world.
If it wasn't for the Russia blockade, Ukraine would not be so desperate to go through the EU.
Switzerland should never be allowed in the EU with their neutrality stand imo. They helped Hitler and are helping the Russians too with their easy money laundering etc...
 

winjer

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Switzerland should never be allowed in the EU with their neutrality stand imo. They helped Hitler and are helping the Russians too with their easy money laundering etc...

Maybe that is the issue. If they were to join the EU, they would have to make a stand against Russia.

But if we are going to talk about laundering money for Russian oligarchs, then the 2 main countries would be Malta and the UK.
 
Switzerland should never be allowed in the EU with their neutrality stand imo. They helped Hitler and are helping the Russians too with their easy money laundering etc...
This is something I have always thought. The concept of neutrality is bizarre. Both Switzerland and Ireland were neutral during WW2. Who looked at what the Nazis were doing, especially regarding genocide and thought I'm neutral on that. It was known at the time what was happening, maybe not the true scale until the Soviets got to the camps but still.
 

Liljagare

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At night, a large-scale fire strike was carried out at the Saki military airfield in the temporarily occupied Crimea. According to Censor NET sources in the Security Service, there were at least 12 combat aircraft (Su-24 and Su-30) at the airport, as well as the Pantsir air defense system. The Mojaher UAV operator training base was also located there. It is these drones that the Russians use to coordinate their own air strikes, as well as as a combat strike drone.
Strikes by the Security Service and the Naval Forces hit the target and caused serious damage to the occupiers' equipment. Drones were used to defeat the enemy, which overloaded Russian air defense, and then they launched Neptune missiles.



Slovakia, Ukraine agree grain trade system to replace ban — Slovak ministry
Slovakia and Ukraine's farm ministers have agreed to establish a licensing system for trading in grains, allowing a ban on imports of four Ukrainian commodities to Slovakia to be lifted once the system is set up, the Slovak Agriculture Ministry said on Thursday.
Slovakia, Poland and Hungary announced national restrictions on Ukrainian grain imports last week after the European Commission decided not to extend its ban on imports into five EU eastern European member states.
"(Ministers) agreed on creating a grain trade system based on issuing and controlling licences," the Slovak ministry said in an email.
"Until this system is up and running and fully tested, the ban on imports of four commodities from Ukraine remains in place."
https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...ystem-replace-ban-slovak-ministry-2023-09-21/

Ukraine and Poland agreed to find a joint solution regarding the export of grain. This became known as a result of the conversation between the Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine, Mykola Solskyi, and his Polish colleague, Robert Telus.

 

kuncol02

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Ukraine and Poland agreed to find a joint solution regarding the export of grain. This became known as a result of the conversation between the Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine, Mykola Solskyi, and his Polish colleague, Robert Telus.
Ukraine promised solutions when ban started in spring. Till now they shown nothing.
 
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