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[BootsLoader]

'ere come the trollSS again..

I’m just asking to get a grasp of the discussion.

 

[Wildebeest]

So Ukraine won the war?

This is like asking if we finally cured cancer.

 

[BootsLoader]

This is like asking if we finally cured cancer.

A war may end, cancer is not.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Russia has been at war with Ukrainian (and other states on its borders) independence for centuries. And will be so for a very long time in the future.
For the current chapter in that conflict, the war will end with either Russian forces being pushed out or Russia installing a vassal in Kyiv. Both could happen as Western countries elect leaders who want to abandon Ukraine while Putin stays in power but the Russian losses are so vast they may even be unable to take over a toally alone Ukraine.
The other outcome seems far fetched but a collapse can come quickly and suddenly.

 

[winjer]

A war may end, cancer is not.

Russia is always at war with it's neighbors. It never ends.

 

[Liljagare]

The Air Force reports that air defense forces destroyed 71 of about 75 “Shahed” drones during the night and morning.

Wake-up call: Nothing is stopping Russia from increasing production of these [Shahed] drones to thousands per month. It just takes a bit more time. If the West only reacts when Russia's new factories are up and running, it will be too late.

Denmark will increase aid to Ukraine by more than 3.15 billion euros by 2027, — the Ministry of Defense of Denmark.



(A corresponding (i.e. adjusted for population and GDP per capita) commitment by the US would be over 180 billion USD.)


Canada will transfer 11 000 assault rifles and 9 million rounds of small ammunition to Ukraine, - Trudeau




Russia's war with its gravest imaginable crimes isn't the first attempt to erase Ukrainian nation from the face of Earth. Today in Kyiv I honoured Holodomor's victims, millions of Ukrainians who perished because of deliberate mass famine - a genocide perpetrated by the soviets.

Today we remember the millions of children, women & men starved to death during the Holodomor genocide.
90 years later, Russia is again weaponising food as it pursues its [war of] aggression [against] Ukraine.
We must do everything to stop the atrocities. We continue to #StandWithUkraine.

 

[BootsLoader]

Russia is always at war with it's neighbors. It never ends.

You mean, neighbors never asking for this? They never want war?

 

[winjer]

You mean, neighbors never asking for this? They never want war?

So now you are shifting the blame to the countries invaded by Russia.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

You mean, neighbors never asking for this? They never want war?

Like who? Who asked for their war with Russian scum?

 

[thuGG_pl]

You mean, neighbors never asking for this? They never want war?

Don't be so cryptic, please elaborate. Which neighbouring countries during which wars?

 

[MisterFalcon]

Obviously there would not be a need for war if the lesser ones just accept their natural place beneath Moscow's boot.
So in Russia's reasoning, they are asking for a war.

(this is where Azov is brought in acccording to the the vatnik playbook)

 

[Tams]

I’m just asking to get a grasp of the discussion.

Lol. No you aren't. You don't even try being subtle.

 

[BlackTron]

You mean, neighbors never asking for this? They never want war?

Stupid Ukraine refusing to be peacefully subjugated. It could have been over in no time! All they needed to do was let Russia take their whole country, PEACEFULLY. These Ukrainian warmongers should be held responsible.

 

[darth.shrimp]

Stupid Ukraine refusing to be peacefully subjugated. It could have been over in no time! All they needed to do was let Russia take their whole country, PEACEFULLY. These Ukrainian warmongers should be held responsible.

It would be funny if some people weren't actually thinking that... including in here, it would seem.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Russia launches record 75 attack drones at Ukraine, all but one downed​

pravda.com.ua/eng/ne...

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Russians have already lost newly acquired equipment, barely after leaving the factory​

essanews.com/russia...

 

[Chittagong]

Russia launches record 75 attack drones at Ukraine, all but one downed​

pravda.com.ua/eng/ne...

Iranian-made drones cost as little as $20,000 to make but up to $500,000 to shoot down, a growing concern in Ukraine, report says

The cost of shooting down Russia's Iranian-made exploding drones in Ukraine is becoming an issue, The New York Times reported.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Three agents from Russia’s notorious FSB security service have died, and a fourth is hospitalized, after eating a Melitopol takeout meal laced with arsenic and rat poison​

nypost.com/2023/1...

 

[MrA]

Three agents from Russia’s notorious FSB security service have died, and a fourth is hospitalized, after eating a Melitopol takeout meal laced with arsenic and rat poison​

nypost.com/2023/1...

pretty sure that's not news and just a typical russian takeout

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Three agents from Russia’s notorious FSB security service have died, and a fourth is hospitalized, after eating a Melitopol takeout meal laced with arsenic and rat poison​

nypost.com/2023/1...

Cant blame the restaurant. They just delivered what they wanted --> suicide flavour chicken wings.

 

[sinnergy]

Iranian-made drones cost as little as $20,000 to make but up to $500,000 to shoot down, a growing concern in Ukraine, report says

The cost of shooting down Russia's Iranian-made exploding drones in Ukraine is becoming an issue, The New York Times reported.

www.businessinsider.com

All great ! We the west could have had all this in the pocket with early advanced military aid .. great minds etc ! Like I said almost 2 years ago. F16S, stealth 90s tech, Apaches, NASAMS early .Should have went for the K.O. Now just keep supporting ! , we like it.

 

[winjer]

Iranian-made drones cost as little as $20,000 to make but up to $500,000 to shoot down, a growing concern in Ukraine, report says

The cost of shooting down Russia's Iranian-made exploding drones in Ukraine is becoming an issue, The New York Times reported.

www.businessinsider.com

That is only true if we use Patriots to shoot down drones.
What has been happening a lot in this war, both in the Ukrainian and Russia side, is the increase use in electronic jamming to take out drones.
This is a much more effective and cheap way of dealing with drones.

 

[BootsLoader]

Stupid Ukraine refusing to be peacefully subjugated. It could have been over in no time! All they needed to do was let Russia take their whole country, PEACEFULLY. These Ukrainian warmongers should be held responsible.

Looks like you lack a lot of context, that Is why your talk is so inaccurate.

I don’t support or care about either side. But I think that we gotta look to the whole picture, not just what we want to see.

 

[BootsLoader]

Lol. No you aren't. You don't even try being subtle.

Ok. No prob.

 

[BootsLoader]

Don't be so cryptic, please elaborate. Which neighbouring countries during which wars?

Ukraine for example.

 

[thuGG_pl]

Ukraine for example.

And what did they do to provoke the war?

 

[BlackTron]

Looks like you lack a lot of context, that Is why your talk is so inaccurate.

I don’t support or care about either side. But I think that we gotta look to the whole picture, not just what we want to see.

People have asked you not to be so cryptic. All you really have is "lol ur wrong bc u don't know". Okay, so why don't you actually say something instead of different variations of "educate yourself".

What is this "whole picture" you speak of that we lack but that you, as the sole person who cares nothing for either side, has the clairvoyance to see with such clarity?

You seem to be fine telling other people they are wrong but can't get a single sentence together about why you might be right.

 

[winjer]

Ukraine for example.

Seriously, you are trying to blame Ukraine for being invaded by Russia?
That is a very disingenuous statement. As if the victims were to blame for the attacker.

 

[FatallyYours]

Looks like you lack a lot of context, that Is why your talk is so inaccurate.

I don’t support or care about either side. But I think that we gotta look to the whole picture, not just what we want to see.

Hey look, sobaka got himself an alt!
How's it going dude? Living it up in the Polish bought part of ukraine or talking with the bigwig russian military planners for your next front collapse?

Ah, I missed you guy!

 

[BlackTron]

And what did they do to provoke the war?

He's not going to elaborate in a way that actually answers your question because that would be impossible. Maybe he will try to play up some "evidence" of Ukrainian "misgivings" that occurred AFTER the war started. Or just say that he can't be bothered talking to us because we are too stupid. Or some combination/variation of multiple such fallacies until he runs out of stupidity ammo and ways to blame us for his inability to make his own point.

I'll be impressed if he responds with a thoughtful post with real points in it. Even if they are all completely wrong, at least had the balls to put what he really thinks to back up his own allegations. I doubt he will have the real discussion he claims to want though. Like most everything else he says it's BS.

I’m just asking to get a grasp of the discussion.

But I think that we gotta look to the whole picture, not just what we want to see.

From the guy who was "just trying to get a grasp of the discussion", we could list 100 points and he would just come back with "you don't see the whole picture". O ye who has naught one grasp of thigh discussion at hand, please thusly bestow upon us thine divine clairvoyance of thy whole picture, that upon which we so sorely lack.

 

[BootsLoader]

And what did they do to provoke the war?

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

 

[Liljagare]

Russians find out that attacking the critical infrastructure is a game that can be played by two, as half of temporarily occupied Donetsk is apparently without electricity after a successful Ukrainian strike takes out a distribution centre.



Two international airports in Moscow have suspended operations after a major drone attack targeted the capital city. Russian media claims 11 Ukrainian drones were shot down by air defense while one building in the city of Tula was hit. Injuries were reported by local Russian media.

After the Russian Shahed attack yesterday night, Ukraine responded with a drone attack on Russian cities. In Moscow, 5 UAVs were reportedly shot down while 20 drones struck other places. In Tula, a high-rise building was hit and in Smolensk explosions were also recorded

Movement on the street in Moscow is completely blocked due to the electrical wiring catching fire, according to the transport department.
The cause of the fire is unknown

A UAV is reportedly flying again over Russia's Tula. There was an explosion in Tula two hours ago.

 

[Liljagare]

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

 

[FunkMiller]

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

Go back to your cabbage and potatoes, tovarisch.

 

[winjer]

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

NATO has had missiles capable of hitting Moscow for many decades before this invasion. And Russia has had missiles capable of hitting Washington for just as long.
That is a very sad, pathetic excuse, especially when Russia also has missiles in it's borders with Nato countries. Let's not pretend that this was ever a real reason for anything.

And that thing about Azod is precious, when considering that Wagner has so many open Neo-Nazi's in it's ranks. One of them is the late founder of the group.

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

LOL, not one single reason on why you think Ukraine provoked this war.
The reality is that there were no provocations from Ukraine. Neither now, nor is 2014.
It's all just Russian ambition to expand it's empire.

 

[darth.shrimp]

And with that said, I’m out of this thread.

Good riddance.

 

[thuGG_pl]

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

I don't remember Ukraine being in NATO, when did the accession happen?
Welp, looks like a Russbot post.

 

[Ozriel]

Looks like you lack a lot of context, that Is why your talk is so inaccurate.

I don’t support or care about either side. But I think that we gotta look to the whole picture, not just what we want to see.

You clearly support Russia, and we’re still waiting to see your list of Russia’s neighbors that just begged for Russia to invade them.

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

This was 100% just copied and pasted from Kremlin propaganda. Every single talking point there from NATO, to ‘oppressed people in the Donbas’ to Azov.

Hopefully someone can make your exit from this thread permanent.

Fun fact: Russia has used the ‘protecting Russian speaking people’ excuse innumerable times in the past century to justify invasion of their neighbors.

 

[BlackTron]

NATO maybe, they started the transferring of missiles near the borders of Russia, missiles that could easily hit Moscow? Terrorism in certain areas of Ukraine where people who spoke Russian and wanted to be part of Russia, people who did not have water and electricity because Ukraine didn’t want to give them their right of “free thinking” ? Did you forget about the Azov?

And much more. I repeat that I don’t support either side and I don’t really care, but I try to see the whole picture, it’s not like “Russian woke up in the morning and wanted to do war”. There are years of history behind this.

Even Angela Merkel admitted that the “peace treaty” was a fluke to save time and prepare for the war.

Whoever is really interested in this war can start researching and reading, not just “stand with the trend”. And with that said, I’m out of this thread. Hope this war ends someday and we don’t suffer this economic crisis because of it.

 

[The Janitor]

Fun fact: Russia has used the ‘protecting Russian speaking people’ excuse innumerable times in the past century to justify invasion of their neighbors.

Yeah, I mean didn't they do exactly the same thing in Georgia? They have their Russian backed separatists start some shit, then falsely accuse Georgia of committing genocide, which they then use for a reason to invade.
Same story in Ukraine. If you're on Russia's side after all the bullshit they've pulled you're either very gullible or a Russian bot.

 

[Liljagare]

 

[TwinB242]

I literally rolled my eyes when I saw the comment about NATO being the cause of this war. There has been a mountain of evidence to prove otherwise, but if people would rather bury their heads in the sand then thats on them I guess.

 

[Ozriel]

I literally rolled my eyes when I saw the comment about NATO being the cause of this war. There has been a mountain of evidence to prove otherwise, but if people would rather bury their heads in the sand then thats on them I guess.

After Russia set up the civil war in Ukraine in 2014 and the Crimea situation, it blocked any possibility of them getting into NATO.

Anyone still pushing the NATO excuse for the war is a Kremlin bot, or a Kremlin dupe.

Russia just never wanted the prospect of a prosperous Ukraine. They invaded in 2014 just to block moves for Ukraine to join the EU, and that’s certainly not a military union.

 

[MrA]

Yeah, I mean didn't they do exactly the same thing in Georgia? They have their Russian backed separatists start some shit, then falsely accuse Georgia of committing genocide, which they then use for a reason to invade.
Same story in Ukraine. If you're on Russia'sRussia'sii side after all the bullshit they've pulled you're either very gullible or a Russian bot.

Plus if it was about Russian speakers, they had control of the Russian speaking areas day 1 of their invasion but they kept going,
Really we need to stop teaching that the ussr was an ally in ww2, they were simply the enemy of the nazi,

 

[Tams]

Ok. No prob.

At least try to be an entertaining troll.

 

[winjer]

 

[TwinB242]

Shit like this really infuriates me. I don't understand why nobody is clamping down on these obvious loopholes when it comes to sanctions and exports of western tech in general.

 

[Susurrus]

And what did they do to provoke the war?

They provoked the war by bordering Russia, obviously.

Shouldn't have done that. The deserved it.

(/s if not obvious)

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[MrA]

Just because Russian weapons manufacturing explode doesn't the Ukrainians took out a target , Russians are fully capable of accidentally blowing up their own stuff, but either way, good news