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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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J3nga
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Yep, Niko Bellic told us this long time ago:
This whole "operation" went completely nuts. People cheering when some russians die, that's mad. There are lots of young kids that were told go there and do that, most of them don't want this stupid bloodbath.
Sega Orphan
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Apparently Russia has only sent in 30% of their troops into Ukraine, so to have got as far as they have in that period of time is quite impressive.
It's almost impossible for them to overrun Keiv, as it's too big and too heavy defended. Russia isn't just bombing the fuck out of the city that would have happened in WW2, so to make your way into the city street by street will be hard fought and cost many lives. I think Russia has three objectives.
1. Take out the government. Try to find the President and kill him along with his cabinet.
2. Encircle Kiev, cut it off from supplies such as water, food and such and wait it out until a surrender happens.
3. Take over certain areas of Ukraine such as Dombass, Odessa etc to reduce the size of Ukraine and the threat they pose by destroying all military infrastructure.
They appear to be trying to limit civilian deaths, and all the interactions I have seen between them and angry locals they seem to be quite well manured, maybe even embarrassed by being there.
It's almost impossible for them to overrun Keiv, as it's too big and too heavy defended. Russia isn't just bombing the fuck out of the city that would have happened in WW2, so to make your way into the city street by street will be hard fought and cost many lives. I think Russia has three objectives.
1. Take out the government. Try to find the President and kill him along with his cabinet.
2. Encircle Kiev, cut it off from supplies such as water, food and such and wait it out until a surrender happens.
3. Take over certain areas of Ukraine such as Dombass, Odessa etc to reduce the size of Ukraine and the threat they pose by destroying all military infrastructure.
They appear to be trying to limit civilian deaths, and all the interactions I have seen between them and angry locals they seem to be quite well manured, maybe even embarrassed by being there.
FunkMiller
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Yep, Niko Bellic told us this long time ago:
This whole "operation" went completely nuts. People cheering when some russians die, that's mad. There are lots of young kids that were told go there and do that, most of them don't want this stupid bloodbath.
Who here is cheering that Russians are dying? Seriously…. point to their posts.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
They are definitely not just being probed. You don't lose the kind of equipment that they're losing just to test your enemy. They lost 4 $60 million dollar troop carriers in the last 2 days with paratroopers on board. Russia is not rich enough to be able to throw away stuff like that casually.
They have severely underestimated Ukraine and fucked everything up along the way. Their troops are uninformed, undersuplied, and by all accounts getting bodied compared to what they are doing to the Ukrainians.
That's not to say that Russia can't win or that they don't have anything left to throw at Ukraine they obviously do, but it's ridiculous to say that everything up to this point was just some kind of test.
J3nga
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30%? I doubt that's even close.
Not talking about here, internet in general.
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Amiga
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What the US army didn't do in Iraq. Cowboys wiped out every institution, and left nothing for their proxies to use. only thing left was underground Iran loyalists who took over the country.
Not to mention unmotivated.
It's a lot different being sent to a war you don't want to fight than defending your homeland. Ukrainians are a people with strong national pride. Most Russian soldiers don't /can't even remember when Ukraine became independent.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Its more than 30%. Outlets have been reporting it's closer to the 50% mark than 30%.
And even if it is only 30% they have not taken even a single major city in several days with 30% of their army. What hope would they have in holding an entire country? Meanwhile the rest of the world is completely and utterly United against them and have essentially crippled their economy to the point of being basically non-functional.
Russia is looking like it is on the receiving end of the greatest self own in modern history.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Assassinating a head of state with no fallout or escalation?
Put down the crack pipe.
Kilau
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Looks like more video game footage.
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He's not talking about the whole Russian army.
He means the amount of army that was assigned and was building up near the border for months.
TrumpacShakur
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The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
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Sega Orphan
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Not of their full army no, but reports were that only 30% of the forces they had brought up to the border had gone in.
Fare thee well
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I don't cheer on any individual soldier's death, but there is a big difference between being an invading soldier for one of the largest armies in the world, and a homeland defender standing for the lives of women, children, elderly, and the disabled. Seeing the armed efforts of Russian troops fail is a victory against autocrat fascists like Putin and saving the sovereignty of Ukraine. That is something I desire. 'Cheer' isn't a word I would choose. As many have said, no one wanted this war.Yep, Niko Bellic told us this long time ago:
This whole "operation" went completely nuts. People cheering when some russians die, that's mad. There are lots of young kids that were told go there and do that, most of them don't want this stupid bloodbath.
Sega Orphan
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There is alot of propaganda going on that's for sure.The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
Liljagare
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The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
This has also been confirmed by the UK intelligence services.
LUHANSK, Ukraine — Pro-Russian fighters walk past the site of remnants of a downed Ukrainian army aircraft Il- 76 at the airport near Luhansk. Pro-Russia separatists shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane Saturday, killing all 49 crew and troops aboard in a bloody escalation of the conflict in the country's restive east. (PHOTO: AP)
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Kittehkraken
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The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
After claiming another two without so much as somebody posting a picture of the smoke in the distance....the claims are looking a little suspicious.
That's from 2014 when one was shot down in Ukraine.
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Depends on where it went down and in what condition it was in when it went down. A missile wouldn’t necessarily cause it to explode and breakup midair (though it could), it could also just disable flight controls and cause it to nosedive into the ground at 500MPH. If that happened in a remote area, it might not be found for years considering the other pressing priorities people have at the moment.The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
So a healthy dose of skepticism is certainly called for, but I don’t think this is an open and shut a propaganda effort at all. It’s a big country and those shoot downs could’ve happened in any manner of ways we don’t know about.
TrumpacShakur
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This has also been confirmed by the UK.
Nope, just reverse search image, the destroyed turret or whatever is from a Ukrainian IL-76 shot down in 2014
Ukrainian civil war looms as 49 die in plane shot down by rebels
A CCTV camera in Luhansk captured the moment the plane hit the ground, causing a huge fireball which killed all 49 Ukrainian soldiers on board.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
The troop carriers being shot down were confirmed by sources outside the Ukrainian government.
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Phunkydiabetic
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Read my reply in the context of what I was replying to. I'm goofing on the quoted comment for the exact reason you are..
Liljagare
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Ukraine claims to have shot down Russia's Sukhoi-25 and two giant IL-76 aircraft
Russian helicopter and Sukhoi 25 have been shot down by the Ukrainian army. Ukraine claims to have shot down Sukhoi-25 with S-300. Earlier it was reported that Russia’s Ilyushin-76 was also shot down by Ukraine. It is being told that the Ukrainian army shot down the IL-76 plane near Vasylkiev...
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TheDreadLord
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Umm, I don’t know. The “selected banks” part makes me think Europe will still keep buying the sweet Russian and oil and gas.
TrumpacShakur
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The troop carriers being shot down were confirmed by sources outside the Ukrainian government.
It very well could be true, they could've shot down only one or two or none at all . I'm just saying we haven't seen any proof of that yet.
Ukraine claims to have shot down Russia's Sukhoi-25 and two giant IL-76 aircraft
Russian helicopter and Sukhoi 25 have been shot down by the Ukrainian army. Ukraine claims to have shot down Sukhoi-25 with S-300. Earlier it was reported that Russia’s Ilyushin-76 was also shot down by Ukraine. It is being told that the Ukrainian army shot down the IL-76 plane near Vasylkiev...
That's a Ukrainian military emblem on the tail.
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Sega Orphan
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Yeah the 30% was what I last heard maybe a day ago, more than likely they have sent more in.
Russia has taken over Mariupol which is one of the biggest cities in Ukraine.
I don't think Russia is getting any less resistance than they expected. None of us know what Russia's goals are, and what where they are with those goals.
To take over a city of 4 million people is a huge task. If 10% of the people resist then you have 400,000 of them.
It's not COD.
DaleinCalgary
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Have you ever seen plane crash footage? there's nothing leftThe IL-76 is a massive plane, something that big exploding in the sky should still leave big enough intact pieces on the ground to be photographed by someone.
Ukrainians claim they've shot two out of the sky, yet we haven't seen a single photograph or any hard evidence of that.
In short - there is massive propaganda coming from both sides, take everything you see on especially twitter with a grain of salt
edit: barely nothing. Those would be easy pickings by stingers
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
This combined with the news out of Taiwan makes this a very big deal for Russia. They are taking haymakers from all sides right now.
DaleinCalgary
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You just can't invade a country for no reason in 2022.
Russia is fucked no matter what happens in Ukraine.
Sega Orphan
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The issue with sanctions is this. In the negotiations with Russia to withdrawal part of the payout to Russia will be the removal of sanctions.
Forsete
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Germans must have gas heating for the winter.
And Swedes must have oil to compensate for the closed nuclear power plants.
Having threatened the planet with nuclear destruction kind of leaves no where else to go in that regard.
My thought was that's intentional shit talk.
Forsete
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Thank god for NLAW & the UK for providing it & SAAB for designing it.
TheDreadLord
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Then they will keep financing an authoritarian regime. They are more interested in pleasing the green lobby then securing energy sources from proper democracies. And now a lot of opportunistic politicians are like they care for Ukraine.
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xellos2099alpha
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I don;t think anyone is cheering for the loss of live but if i have to choose, i would rather more russian die than uklranian.
M1chl
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Look at horizontal stabilizer, it is Ukraine plane.
Ukraine claims to have shot down Russia's Sukhoi-25 and two giant IL-76 aircraft
Russian helicopter and Sukhoi 25 have been shot down by the Ukrainian army. Ukraine claims to have shot down Sukhoi-25 with S-300. Earlier it was reported that Russia’s Ilyushin-76 was also shot down by Ukraine. It is being told that the Ukrainian army shot down the IL-76 plane near Vasylkiev...
poppabk
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Sure, their purpose is to help force the withdrawal.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
When and if that happens I can guarantee you that the sanctions will not just be magically removed.
The only way these sanctions are removed with any kind of immediacy is if Putin is thrown out of office and/or Russia does a complete and total withdrawal of all of its forces from Ukraine.
Otherwise these sanctions might as well be carved in stone.
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Devil's Night.
Agreed. As Caliban is wretched he will only obey survival instinct.
Forsete
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My bro. I agree 100%.
But there is nothing we the "small people" (as Carl-Henric Svanberg put it) can do about it, expect every 4 years to vote these POS out of office.
Lets hope the "small people" does not forget this time.
Nuclear power is the future, windmills are not (which have to be supported by gas, oil or coal on windstill days).
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Ionian
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My fucking God. Honestly.
This dude is blind.
His own words He denies it.
He denies an attack it and talks shit and constitutes it constantly . Dude says it over and over again like it's ok
Just listen to what he says against what he say against Ukraine.
He can't his own mind. Calling Ukrainians "matyrs", please others watch this all and make up your own mind. Part of his statement is calling it to; "people super- mother fuckers". And compares it to Iraq.
The dude is a lunatic.
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