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[EverydayBeast]

If Russia can hook up a nuke they might be taking Ukraine in under 10 seconds of course being in awe of what russia has done is crazy obviously they been at war with ukraine for a while.

 

[rofif]

Ukraine appears to be hitting the column already.




Give'em hell.

So apparently invasions are super weird nowadays because how the hell are you supposed to move your 5 thousand vehicles to the target if your target got drones and missile strikes. of course that column get's blocked.
And thank god it does. Ukraine seems to be handling itself better than Russians expected.
At least I hope so. I know Russia is just still not bringing the big guns out... and maybe it stays that way?

 

[Kraz]

Other Angle, it`s Thermo

If old footage, besides the sympathy it may generate, it's good to inform people of the appearance of that weapon while attentive. Might even bring a few more eyes looking for the launchers specifically.

 

[E-Cat]

Next best thing to actual NATO forces

Which makes it scary from an escalation perspective.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

It’s hard to keep perspective on all this. But we should try. Russia has something like between 100,000 and 200,000 troops in Ukraine supposedly. Ukraine is the size of Texas. You can fit 100,000 people in a football stadium. So when we see isolated things like tweets or short clips, you never want to draw large conclusions from it. It’s a snapshot. It may mean nothing. The only way to draw an kind of even remotely relevant information is to pull back far enough to see the larger picture. Things like troop movement and captured territory. Or repelled forces and retreats. Those kind of things give you a sense of the direction things are moving.

A ruined truck here or an explosion there is one pin point. It’s not enough to get any feeling about the larger situation on the ground. Try not to get caught up in any individual thing you are seeing online right now.

Not to mention that the majority of videos being posted here are from dubious sources.

 

[rofif]

I would need a new pair of shorts.

I never thought about it this way but it's scary af thinking a perfectly precise rocket can hit almost anywhere it is commanded. From nowhere. Clear sky and a rocket just exploding

 

[InverseAgonist]

 

[sinnergy]

So apparently invasions are super weird nowadays because how the hell are you supposed to move your 5 thousand vehicles to the target if your target got drones and missile strikes. of course that column get's blocked.
And thank god it does. Ukraine seems to be handling itself better than Russians expected.
At least I hope so. I know Russia is just still not bringing the big guns out... and maybe it stays that way?

That’s because technology advanced in the last 10 years, very fast . But Russia attacks with shit from the 80s it seems thank god , Ukrainians at least have some new shit .. I hope they survive tonight and get armed tomorrow by the west.

 

[Allandor]

Fuck, Russia is getting fucked hard. GOOD.

Their economy will bomb tomorrow. Can't wait to see.

Thermo or MOAB?

Problem is, it hits the wrong people. Those behind the war don't fall that hard. But the innocent population will. Just let hope that this leads to outcries so Putin and his folks get replaced by a trustworthy government.
But I worry that for year's Russian people won't get trusted anymore.

 

[rofif]

That’s because technology advanced in the last 10 years, very fast . But Russia attacks with shit from the 80s it seems thank god , Ukrainians at least have some new shit .. I hope they survive tonight and get armed tomorrow by the west.

But Russia got the newest stuff too for sure ?
Maybe they are sending old crap first because... they want to get rid of it ?

 

[V1LÆM]

It's good to see Ukraine kicking Putin's ass but it's also making me quite anxious. He's not gonna want to look weak or be defeated. If he's going down then he might want to take everyone with him and he unfortunately has the ability to do that.

 

[sinnergy]

But Russia got the newest stuff too for sure ?
Maybe they are sending old crap first because... they want to get rid of it ?

I don’t think they have .. you don’t drag a war like this .. this was meant to shock the West, a blitzkrieg .. but it’s a total shitshow.

 

[rofif]

I don’t think they have .. you don’t drag a war like this .. this was meant to shock the West, a blitzkrieg .. but it’s a total shitshow.

wars last years. So what if russia keeps this exact pace for years even with this old gear ?! Ukraine probably got defense for weeks max

 

[sinnergy]

It's good to see Ukraine kicking Putin's ass but it's also making me quite anxious. He's not gonna want to look weak or be defeated. If he's going down then he might want to take everyone with him and he unfortunately has the ability to do that.

O yes that’s a very real possibility… I fear this also .. and what would he be willing to do.

 

[V1LÆM]

If Russia can hook up a nuke they might be taking Ukraine in under 10 seconds of course being in awe of what russia has done is crazy obviously they been at war with ukraine for a while.

if putin nukes ukraine the world is fucked. just one nuke over chernobyl and the planet is wrecked.

 

[chromhound]

Seem confirmed

 

[Doczu]

I agree but yeah I don't live in Groningen. 'They're not going to be happy' is probably the understatement of the year

Eh, desperate times requirendesperate measures.
A lot of europe is dependant on gas for heating their homes.
If a transition period would be needed to find either new sources or a new way to provide heat (electricity for example) then i don't think a lot of people would be TOO mad.
Heh, blame it on Shell like you always do xD

 

[sinnergy]

wars last years. So what if russia keeps this exact pace for years even with this old gear ?! Ukraine probably got defense for weeks max

Normally such a move doesn’t last years .. this is a shitshow… he doesn’t want a war for years .. if will end not wel for Putin. He found himself a Vietnam / Afghanistan . If the west keeps providing material .

 

[rofif]

Normally such a move doesn’t last years .. this is a shitshow… he doesn’t want a war for years .. if will end not wel for Putin. He found himself a Vietnam / Afghanistan .

But we don't even know what his goal was.
He said something among lines to free old russians and punish them for decommunisation ?! This is idiotic.
So is the consensus that he just lost his mind? Why would he want more land

 

[ManaByte]

If Russia can hook up a nuke they might be taking Ukraine in under 10 seconds of course being in awe of what russia has done is crazy obviously they been at war with ukraine for a while.

If they do that then Russia becomes the biggest sheet of glass on Earth.

 

[sinnergy]

But we don't even know what his goal was.
He said something among lines to free old russians and punish them for decommunisation ?! This is idiotic.
So is the consensus that he just lost his mind? Why would he want more land

He showed on numerous occasions over the past 20 years he wants to restore the Sovjet Union USSR..that’s your motive.

 

[ManaByte]

But we don't even know what his goal was.
He said something among lines to free old russians and punish them for decommunisation ?! This is idiotic.
So is the consensus that he just lost his mind? Why would he want more land

He wants the USSR back to what it was when he was a kid in the KGB.

 

[QSD]

But we don't even know what his goal was.
He said something among lines to free old russians and punish them for decommunisation ?! This is idiotic.
So is the consensus that he just lost his mind? Why would he want more land

It's not really about the land, he wants himself and russia to be respected and feared like in the cold war days

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

BTW those surprised about the state of russian troops and equipment, you have to rememeber that russia has the economic size of spain... and on top of that, it has to manage, maintain and produce nukes and intercontinental missiles. Can't imagine that leaves a lot of budget for rank and file troops.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Putin doesn't want the return of the USSR, he hates "communism." His goal is to restore the Russian empire.

 

[Darchaos]

Hey Russia, its time for the Daily FU!!

 

[V1LÆM]

If they do that then Russia becomes the biggest sheet of glass on Earth.

true but there will many other sheets of glass across europe and the us. the world will be set back thousands of years...if we're lucky.

 

[QSD]

Putin doesn't want the return of the USSR, he hates "communism." His goal is to restore the Russian empire.

Yeah there have been some people in this thread who still think Russia is a communist country. It's not, it's a capitalist country with extremely undemocratic, corrupt leadership.

 

[InverseAgonist]

On the Russian rational:

 

[sinnergy]

On the Russian rational:

Yes a blitzkrieg 🌬.. sucks for Putin , het gets guerilla warfare .

 

[DrAspirino]

if putin nukes ukraine the world is fucked. just one nuke over chernobyl and the planet is wrecked.

Depends.

If it's a "tactical nuke" (you know...the ones that have less power than the MOAB and even less than the ones from hiroshima), then the damage would be localized. It would hit Ukraine hard, as well as Russia, but it would force all sides to end the war. No one in their right mind would use "regular nukes" in today's world.

 

[Nobody_Important]

On the Russian rational:

"The Ukrainian Question"???


Uhhhhhh what?

 

[Fluo]

Problem is, it hits the wrong people. Those behind the war don't fall that hard. But the innocent population will. Just let hope that this leads to outcries so Putin and his folks get replaced by a trustworthy government.
But I worry that for year's Russian people won't get trusted anymore.

Yeah, tomorrow we're gonna find out how much poorer we're going to be.

Gotta be honest with you, had a very dreadful weekend. Medvedev considers reinstating death sentence for the "worst kind of criminals", general-prosecutor made a public statement that any kind of donation or support for the enemy is considered a treason (20 year sentence) and Putin is escalating nuclear threats. It sucks being threatened by your government and feeling like a pariah to the whole world at the same time.

Hopefully, what we're seeing now is the agony of a dying regime. I hope to make it though and see Ukraine, Belarus and Russia free.

 

[CGiRanger]

To follow-up. Take with Grain of salt and all. I think this city mentioned above is just to the west of Mariupol on this Map:

 

[Hypereides]

I'm curious to see what the market effects are going to be on Russia's economy, currency, and banking system come Monday. Then we can get a better idea if these sanctions are toothless or effective. I feel like it's not looking good for Russia, but they're just feelings and I need some actual data to determine if it's confirmation bias.

My general feelings are they’re toothless. The most effective thing would be to stop buying Russian natural gas and oil. I know European nations likely can’t, but USA certainly could.

It's the silence before the storm.

The west froze significant assets owned by him and associated net of Russian oligarchs. Those assets can not be liquidated essentially, turning them into pretty, but worthless rows of digits on a screen. If they try, their transactions will be denied. Not to mention a large part of the west have shut down their air space for any Russian aircraft (including private aircraft owned by Russian oligarchs). They're probably royally pissed as fuck right now.

We're talking billions here. All that foreign and afaik even some domestic wealth that they've embezzled over the years is practically worthless.

 

[Banjo64]

On the Russian rational:

You’ve just got to laugh really. The motive is so bad it’s straight out of a Scream film. Talk about one tiny and insecure nation.

 

[InverseAgonist]

"The Ukrainian Question"???


Uhhhhhh what?

Totally agree!

Yeah, the phrase "the solution for the Ukrainian question" sounded awfully familiar to me. Pattern recognition beeping ff the charts on that one.

 

[ManaByte]

true but there will many other sheets of glass across europe and the us. the world will be set back thousands of years...if we're lucky.

 

[SleepySlippy]

Maybe I wasn’t clear. To me, that MSNBC clip talking about “Manchurian Trump secretly installed by Putin to weaken the West” is just as ridiculous as “Trump and the Russians are stopping Bill Gates and the child molesting Dems from starting another pandemic.”

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin: Potential Partners – Not Allies or Even Friends

Reporters and pundits covering the presidential campaign of Donald Trump have been torn between two conflicting narratives: The first is that Trump...

www.ronpaulinstitute.org

 

[Kittehkraken]

unconfirmed footage:

Fake.

At 17 seconds you hear the blast. The blast wave for an explosion that big would have been deafening and shattered every window.

 

[sinnergy]

Nukes are highly unlikely.. it’s just to say stay away USA, an endless stream of bombing is more likely .

 

[InverseAgonist]

Fake.

At 17 seconds you hear the blast. The blast wave for an explosion that big would have been deafening and shattered every window.

Is this angle faked too?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/russia-begins-invasion-of-ukraine.1630982/post-265705400

 

[Fare thee well]

Nukes are highly unlikely.. it’s just to say stay away USA, an endless stream of bombing is more likely .

And the truth is, if we let the fear of nuclear use guide all our inaction against every tyrant known to mankind, then we might as well just give up on the human race now.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Russian Ruble whacked 20% against USD. Actually more like 30%+ as it doesn't take into account days before when RUB was around 75 to the USD.

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[sinnergy]

And the truth is, if we let the fear of nuclear use guide all our inaction against every tyrant known to mankind, then we might as well just give up on the human race now.

Yup.. freedom is earned .. no one wants a ww3.. but what if they let Hittler do his thing 80 years ago..

 

[poppabk]

And the truth is, if we let the fear of nuclear use guide all our inaction against every tyrant known to mankind, then we might as well just give up on the human race now.

Anton Chekhov was Russian.

 

[crozier]

I don’t think Russia would get nuked for nuking Ukraine.

Nukes are legal weapons and Ukraine has no security guarantee from us. Heck, Russia could use a hypersonic missile and we wouldn’t even know it was happening until it was over. Not saying this is the outcome, but if Putin is losing and backed against a wall he can always argue that it was our material support of Ukraine that necessitated taking that action to end the war.

 

[DrAspirino]

And the truth is, if we let the fear of nuclear use guide all our inaction against every tyrant known to mankind, then we might as well just give up on the human race now.

The problem dealing with tyrants that actually have working nukes is that if you push against them, they WILL push the button and use those nukes. So, are you suggesting that in an effort of dealing with a tyrant, it's better to end the life of hundreds of thousands (or even millions) with a nuclear war, instead of letting the tyrant have his wimps?

At least that's what I got from your post: it's better to risk an all-out nuclear war to stop Putin than let him have his fit.

Ok....

 

[Stitch]

 

[BlackM1st]

Putin doesn't want the return of the USSR, he hates "communism." His goal is to restore the Russian empire.

Putin Warned Us

Vladimir Putin did exactly what he warned us he would do.

www.theamericanconservative.com

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