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[speckz]

The Russian stock market is experiencing the fifth worst crash in history

The benchmark MOEX Russia Index closed 33% lower in Moscow, erasing $189 billion in shareholder wealth.

fortune.com

 

[chromhound]

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The Russian stock market is experiencing the fifth worst crash in history

The benchmark MOEX Russia Index closed 33% lower in Moscow, erasing $189 billion in shareholder wealth.

fortune.com

Only the fifth worst, let's wait till tomorrow. Also this article is from Feb 24th, I don't see the market opening today?

 

[poppabk]

You might be able to get one of the last two, but not both at the same time.

 

[speckz]

Only the fifth worst, let's wait till tomorrow. Also this article is from Feb 24th, I don't see the market opening today?

Oops, I missed the date on the article.

 

[Rossco EZ]

No I concede the wreckage is most likely Ukranian, 100% a T-64 by the road wheel's, which as far as I am aware the Russians don't use their T-64's anymore, unless they pulled them out of reserve.

Interestingly the video and the photo you linked look like the same tank, but their not, the photo is a T-72 because the additional sighting for Infared is placed on the right side of the vehicle while the road wheel's of the vehicle in the video are clearly T-64's which gave this additional addon placed on the left side of the gun, until it was removed in the T-64BM upgrade (Oplat), although the older T-64BV's still retain it



The roadwheels of the wreck.

yeah i see, lots of different variants being used
crazy to see how many have been destroyed or abandoned on both sides to be honest.


T80 abandoned here


there was even a T90 destroyed posted on one of the reddit forums which is one of Russia’s better tanks i think.

 

[Doczu]

That's the point though; in a war that makes literally no sense, nothing is off the table;

Why do people still think this war makes no sense? It makes all the sense in the world if you look at it from Russia geopolitical/military front.
You just don't want to see it.

 

[Sybrix]

You might be able to get one of the last two, but not both at the same time.

Unlikely, cant see Ukraine Govt or the people of Ukraine agreeing to that given what has happened.

They would have to be happy to trust no Russian aggression in the future.............. dont see it happening.

 

[funkygunther]

Only the fifth worst, let's wait till tomorrow. Also this article is from Feb 24th, I don't see the market opening today?

Market didn't open today

 

[chromhound]

Only the fifth worst, let's wait till tomorrow. Also this article is from Feb 24th, I don't see the market opening today?

the market will also be closed from March 1st to 5th lol

 

[Banjo64]

recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea - whatever man, it’s basically Russian territory now whether we like it or not.


demilitarization and denazification of the Ukrainian state - no chance. They won’t allow Putin to install his puppet.

ensuring its neutral status - I have no problem with this. I don’t want Ukraine in NATO. Issue would be ensuring Russia adhere to this.

 

[STARSBarry]

yeah i see, lots of different variants being used
crazy to see how many have been destroyed or abandoned on both sides to be honest.


T80 abandoned here


there was even a T90 destroyed posted on one of the reddit forums which is one of Russia’s better tanks i think.

I mean to show you how hard it is to tell the diffrence between a Ukranian T-72 and T-64

Tank front middle is a T-64 notice the inferred lamp (with its cover on) to the left of its barrel (right in the picture), the tank to the right of it is a T-72 which has the inferred lamp to the right of its barrel.

Add onto that the fact the Russians have handfuls of the T-72 varients of their own, T-80's and of course the T-72's but renamed T-90's with its own varients, it's an absolute shitshow guessing which charred wreckage belongs to whom.

 

[chromhound]

ZELENSKYY HAS SIGNED AN APPLICATION FOR EU MEMBERSHIP

 

[Sybrix]

ZELENSKYY HAS SIGNED AN APPLICATION FOR EU MEMBERSHIP

Source?

 

[Banjo64]

ZELENSKYY HAS SIGNED AN APPLICATION FOR EU MEMBERSHIP

And the EU haven’t accepted Ukraine in to the union before this conflict because?

I’m serious, why haven’t they?

 

[chromhound]

Source?

 

[Wheeljack539]

Can anyone double check on this?

 

[Doczu]

This here.
Putin and the Russian administration are prepared to sacrifice their own wealth, economy and possible internal riots to secure these goals.
One may say this is madness, others see long term geopolitica at work

 

[Vestal]

And the EU haven’t accepted Ukraine in to the union before this conflict because?

I’m serious, why haven’t they?

Go watch Winter on Fire (Netflix)... Long story short, the were on the brink of joining until a Russian Puppet changed course and imposed himself as a dictator.

 

[Rest]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

 

[Gp1]

 

[Punished Miku]

The Russian stock market is experiencing the fifth worst crash in history

The benchmark MOEX Russia Index closed 33% lower in Moscow, erasing $189 billion in shareholder wealth.

fortune.com

That's the kind of thing that leads to further escalation, not less. If we go by history.
#HoldOnToYourButts

 

[poppabk]

Unlikely, cant see Ukraine Govt or the people of Ukraine agreeing to that given what has happened.

They would have to be happy to trust no Russian aggression in the future.............. dont see it happening.

What I mean is you might be able to get:
- a demilitarized Ukraine that is a member on NATO and has US or other NATO troops stationed there
Or
- a non-NATO Ukraine that has its own significant defences
But there is no way you get an undefendable neutral Ukraine.

 

[funkygunther]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

whatever Putin says there is

 

[Deleted member 1159]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

The made up Russian propaganda kind

 

[Rossco EZ]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

look up Azov battalion

 

[Rest]

look up Azov battalion

I've heard of them. Does a group of Nazi mercenaries make a government Nazis?

 

[Rossco EZ]

I've heard of them. Does a group of Nazi mercenaries make a government Nazis?

it doesn’t and it’s not an excuse for the invasion just showing you the only ‘nazi’ thing i know about this recent conflict

 

[Wildebeest]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

It is all Russian hybrid warfare propaganda designed to leave you feeling confused and powerless, as if it is impossible to know what is really going on. Russia will fund neo-nazi groups and anti-nazi groups and arrange for them to fight each other just to confuse people. Their own Nazi private military contractor sometimes known as "Wagner group" was sent by Russia to operate in Ukraine and is said to be bigger than any Ukraine neo-nazi org.

 

[Nankatsu]

ZELENSKYY HAS SIGNED AN APPLICATION FOR EU MEMBERSHIP

And Europe and Nato members are going to lock said application in the drawer until they resolve their conflict with Russia.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If I was Ukraine I'd concede none of that. But looks like Ukraine might bend on #3.

 

[Rossco EZ]

I mean to show you how hard it is to tell the diffrence between a Ukranian T-72 and T-64

Tank front middle is a T-64 notice the inferred lamp (with its cover on) to the left of its barrel (right in the picture), the tank to the right of it is a T-72 which has the inferred lamp to the right of its barrel.

Add onto that the fact the Russians have handfuls of the T-72 varients of their own, T-80's and of course the T-72's but renamed T-90's with its own varients, it's an absolute shitshow guessing which charred wreckage belongs to whom.

i see, very hard to distinguish when you show it like that

 

[Forsete]

 

[Mokus]

And the EU haven’t accepted Ukraine in to the union before this conflict because?

I’m serious, why haven’t they?

Corruption. Other eastern countries that joined the EU in the 2000s, hardest issue on which they had to work was corruption. Yet they still have big scandals about it. Now you have to imagine in countries like Ukraine, Russia (etc.) it's even worse.

PS And maybe with this we can understand why the russian army is in a such sorry state

 

[Bluntman]

And the EU haven’t accepted Ukraine in to the union before this conflict because?

I’m serious, why haven’t they?

Because it's an extremely corrupt barely functioning state, with rule of law barely applying, and with horrible treatment of minorities like our Hungarian brothers.

I get that we root for Ukraine now and all that, but this is the reality.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

What if I told you that race grifting gets a lot harder when the world watches a nuclear power commit atrocities.

 

[Bragr]

I'm not sure what the outcome of these ceasefire talks will be but if Putin does eventually retreat, we need to get Ukraine into NATO asap and station our forces along the border.

No, there is a reason why Ukraine is not in NATO, the leadership is shady and untrustworthy, you need to be a somewhat stable nation to be in NATO.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

And the EU haven’t accepted Ukraine in to the union before this conflict because?

I’m serious, why haven’t they?

Here's a quick rundown:

• The EU membership is an extremely complex process, basically a country needs for a number of years to reform all aspects of the governments - we are talking laws, regulations, judiciary, etc. For all the great things Ukraine is doing now the economy is in large part controlled by oligarchs and the corruption (including the state) is widespread
• Even then the political will from the EU needs to be present - Turkey can be easily blamed on 'not in Europe' but both Turkey and Ukraine face the same hurdle - they have large populations, meaning lots of agriculture, meaning lots of money that have to be directed there ; also extra money will need to be spend to improve the life of Ukrainians - EU has ridiculous number of projects it sponsors (either fully, or partially) and that money going to Ukraine will mean it is not going elsewhere - already many Germans from the West resent the amount of money that was spend in the East after 1990 to bring that part of Germany closer to the QoL in the West still without success, now imagine asking Italians to give money to Ukrainians with whom the have nothing in common
• Joining the EU will mean a plan to open the EU labor market for Ukrainians (although that can be rolled over in phases) - but in the end this will be a large pool of people who would be willing to work for significantly less than the local population and send money back home ; not something unskilled native citizens of Western Europe would be happy about
• Military aspect: although the EU is not a military alliance there is a talk of a common EU army, and this would make EU exposed to the Russia-Ukraine conflict

In other words the chances of that right now are 0%, and even later this will take 5-10 years at least. I would much rather see Moldova with 4mln people being admitted to the EU, since the country is poor AF and 4mln is a drop in the bucket given the EU funds. Alas, they also have Russian fuckers stirring trouble.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

There's a far right extremist wing of the Ukraine national guard called the Azov regiment with ties to neo nazism. It appears Putin is mountain out of molehill-ing the situation as one of the excuses why Russia is doing what they're doing right now.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Still reasons to be optimistic that Russian military objectives are forestalled. Keep moving western weapons in, get volunteers where they can pick off troops and make every km advance hell

 

[Rossco EZ]

so fucking sad.

 

[belmarduk]

What kind of Nazi stuff is going on in Ukraine?

There have been armed militias with far right views.. but the idea that Ukraine is a Nazi state with a Jewish president is ludicrous.

 

[Bragr]

Biden delivering the same message may make waves with Putin as we all know anything coming from him comes directly from the real folks in charge.

 

[Alebrije]

It is true that Rusia is just using its old tanks and weapons and not New armament ? I saw that basically they are using old cold war armament.

 

[Rest]

It is true that Rusia is just using its old tanks and weapons and not New armament ? I saw that basically they are using old cold war armament.

Russia doesn't have money to waste getting new gear wrecked. I would expect they'd roll out all their cold war junk to take the brunt of the resistance, then bring out newer stuff once Ukraine is softened up.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

It is true that Rusia is just using its old tanks and weapons and not New armament ? I saw that basically they are using old cold war armament.

There is for sure a much more advanced equipment available, but at the same time Russia is also limited in using it:

• NATO will have the chance to observe the combat performance of such equipment
• Taking that equipment would make it unavailable elsewhere - my guess is the border with China and Siberia is much more important than Ukraine
• Putin miscalculated and thought this will be over quickly

 

[Cyberpunkd]

so fucking sad.

I don't know this is real of fake but one thing is clear - Ukraine is acing the propaganda angle.

 

[Loope]

This hit hard. What a fucking idiotic war (they all are of course). In today's world with all the history behind, all the information at our fingertips and still we can't stop behaving like animals fighting for territory.It's just sad.

 

[Wildebeest]

It is true that Rusia is just using its old tanks and weapons and not New armament ? I saw that basically they are using old cold war armament.

Hard to fund your military when you are run by kleptocrats whose hobby is stealing all the people's money and partying in Europe.

 

[keraj37]