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[Smiles and Cries]

So, there are three versions right now

1. Flight safely entered Turkish airspace (Egypt's air accident chief)
2. Flight crashed in Sinai (Egypt PM)
3. Flight crashed near Cyprus (Sky News Al-Arabiya / Ria Novosti, based on Russian air traffic controller sources)

really weird they could not get this right considering 224 lives here

 

[chadskin]

UNCONFIRMED: Flightradar24 lost tracking of Kolavia A321 EI-ETJ flight #7K9268 over Egypt

It's NOT confirmed that this flight has crashed. It descended 5000 feet before Flightradar24 coverage was lost.

via https://twitter.com/flightradar24

 

[ponpo]

^ Egyptian state is confirming it crashed, it doesn't matter if flightradar24.com isn't.

e: Regarding the multiple stories thing, I mean.

 

[bananafactory]

Ugh there's already Twitter accounts using fake pics to get clicks.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Ugh there's already Twitter accounts using fake pics to get clicks.

this is how it works, there are huge base waiting for news that can generate clicks nothing sacred

 

[aspiegamer]

Looks like it was a charter flight from Sharm el-Sheikh, so that means that tourists were on board

Hmm. So a one-off flight and not something with a regular schedule? That's a pretty random target and literally could have been one of dozens of tourist flights a day that go through that area it was shot down.

This sounds awful, but I really hope it's something as generic as "just" a plane crash or "just" ISIS without any need for conspiracies or additional wars being started as a result. Yeah, I know it's already too late. I wouldn't put anything past Russia these days after the final MH17 report showed them culpable.

could ISIS target Russians so quickly?

I believe there's some ISIS presence in Sinai, as it's a military-free zone (officially) without much enforcement despite the strategic location, and Israel has tried to blame them for supporting forces in Gaza despite my never having heard any evidence to that effect.

 

[goomba]

I wouldn't put anything past Russia these days after the final MH17 report showed them culpable.

Uhh it only reported it was a russian built missile fired from east ukraine.. how does that show russia culpable?

 

[chadskin]

Uhh it only reported it was a russian built missile fired from east ukraine.. how does that show russia culpable?

Speaking with journalists, Tjibbe Joustra, head of the DSB investigation, confirmed that the area that the Buk was fired from was controlled by separatists on July 17, 2014.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/10/17/dsb-launch-site/

 

[IdreamofHIME]

I wonder if the Egyptians will allow the Russian crash investigators permission to the site or deny them like the Russians did to the Dutch investigators with MH17.

 

[chadskin]

Russia’s Rosaviatsiya aviation agency has confirmed that the Russian passenger plane went missing in Sinai, the agency’s official spokesman Sergey Izvolsky told TASS

Radar shows Russian plane reached 33,500ft at 404 knots. One minute later at 28,375 ft with speed only 93 knots, contact lost #egypt #7K9268

https://twitter.com/brian_whit/status/660370278221000704

 

[MisterFalcon]

Uhh it only reported it was a russian built missile fired from east ukraine.. how does that show russia culpable?

For flying in an area known to be dangerous.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/pub...dia/FDC_5-9155_Egypt-Sinai_Advisory_NOTAM.pdf

This says not to fly over the Sinai below 26,000 feet.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I wonder if the Egyptians will allow the Russian crash investigators permission to the site or deny them like the Russians did to the Dutch investigators with MH17.

Dutch = not scary

you don't play with Russia

 

[Any Questions]

I wonder if the Egyptians will allow the Russian crash investigators permission to the site or deny them like the Russians did to the Dutch investigators with MH17.

I feel sorry for the innocent people dead. But this is a fair point.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

For flying in an area known to be dangerous.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/pub...dia/FDC_5-9155_Egypt-Sinai_Advisory_NOTAM.pdf

This says not to fly over the Sinai below 26,000 feet.

26k is not high enough if the plane was at 33 and dropped to 28 before lost

 

[ultratruman]

If this was terrorism tied into Putin's actions in Syria, a group would've claimed responsibility by now right?

 

[MisterFalcon]

26k is not high enough if the plane was at 33 and dropped to 28 before lost

It had to climb from zero to get there.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

It had to climb from zero to get there.

it did reach 33K tho

so it should have been safe it it reached 33K from zero

 

[chadskin]

 

[Smiles and Cries]

update pages

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/middleeast/egypt-plane-crash/index.html

AJE
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...lane-crashes-egypt-sinai-151031072348207.html

 

[hEist]

If this was terrorism tied into Putin's actions in Syria, a group would've claimed responsibility by now right?

it seems that it was some technical failure, rather than a "terrorist" attack.

"BREAKING The captain of #7K9268 told ATC after departure of a technical fault and requested a route change (@SkyNews) - @NewsHazbail"

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/660374710891450368

 

[ultratruman]

How could it lose all of its altitude like that so suddenly? Unless the flight data they were getting wasn't close to real time.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

that shit dropped like a rock

hit or something inside blew up?

 

[MisterFalcon]

it did reach 33K tho

so it should have been safe it it reached 33K from zero

Obviously not. From Russia's response to MH17 they made clear that the airline was more responsible then the actual shooters for flying in a known conflict area at all.

 

[Uhyve]

How could it lose all of its horizontal velocity like that so suddenly? Unless the flight data they were getting wasn't close to real time.

Looks like it started climbing really fast once it reached 30000 feet. Maybe it stalled?

 

[chadskin]

AFP: #BREAKING Wreckage of Russian passenger plane found in Sinai: Egypt PM

https://twitter.com/afp/status/660378515917971457

 

[Rad-]

Welp again.

 

[Bigboss242]

These last few years have been awful for planes glad I don't fly.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Obviously not. From Russia's response to MH17 they made clear that the airline was more responsible then the actual shooters for flying in a known conflict area at all.

my bad I was talking about the wrong flight

I was talking about this flight

 

[ponpo]

Descending 6000ft per minute? Damn.

 

[ultratruman]

Descending 6000ft per minute? Damn.

Reminds me of Air France 447

 

[exmachina64]

My thoughts go out to the families of the deceased.

These last few years have been awful for planes glad I don't fly.

The sheer numbers of flights that occur each day make this a rare occurrence. The human mind gives more weight to these events than is statistically significant.

 

[Mii]

These last few years have been awful for planes glad I don't fly.

Better not look at stats on car accidents, you will never leave your house again.

As for this, if ISIS is found responsible, Putin will drastically increase his involvement in Syria.

 

[Volimar]

Any hope.for survivors?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Better not look at stats on car accidents, you will never leave your house again.

As for this, if ISIS is found responsible, Putin will drastically increase his involvement in Syria.

Maybe he'll actually start fighting IS.

 

[goomba]

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/10/17/dsb-launch-site/

so fired from sepratists area in ukraine = russia culpable ?

 

[MisterFalcon]

so fired from sepratists area in ukraine = russia culpable ?

Russian army air defence units were vacationing there with all their equipment.

 

[ultratruman]

so fired from sepratists area in ukraine = russia culpable ?

If the missle being fired from a separatist controlled town using Russian military missles isn't enough for you, you probably don't want to be convinced.

But there is far more evidence, from videos of the anti-air system fleeing Ukraine to recordings of separatists cheering the bringing down of what they thought was a Ukrainian fighter plane.

 

[aspiegamer]

We might be leaning more toward some mechanical issue, maybe maybe? That would still be a catastrophe but at least not an international incident.

so fired from sepratists area in ukraine = russia culpable ?

Fired by Russian soldiers (or, at best, people poorly trained by Russian soldiers) from Russian radar-guided missile systems in the Russian-occupied "separatist" area of Ukraine = Russia culpable, yes! Just stop. Now. Please. Don't be a dick about this.

 

[chadskin]

so fired from sepratists area in ukraine = russia culpable ?

No Ukrainian miner (i.e. the separatists) is able to operate a Buk missile system, to the point where they're able to shoot down Ukrainian fighter jets like they have been in the weeks leading up to July 17, 2014. There's also strong evidence the Buk missile system that was responsible for the downing of MH-17 was transported back to Russia.

If that's not enough for you, the criminal investigation by the Joint Investigation Team is currently still underway and will directly assign blame to a party. It's expected they will release their report early next year.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Don't turn this into a discussion about the MH flight please. There are other threads for it.

 

[goomba]

No Ukrainian miner (i.e. the separatists) is able to operate a Buk missile system, to the point where they're able to shoot down Ukrainian fighter jets like they have been in the weeks leading up to July 17, 2014. There's also strong evidence the Buk missile system that was responsible for the downing of MH-17 was transported back to Russia.

If that's not enough for you, the criminal investigation by the Joint Investigation Team is currently still underway and will directly assign blame to a party. It's expected they will release their report early next year.

Yes lets wait for that future report then. I only mentioned this because the poster incorrectly stated the recently released report assigned blame, which it did not.

 

[chadskin]

The plane was completely destroyed and all those on board are likely to have died, the Egyptian security officer who arrived at the scene told Reuters by telephone.

Egyptian security sources said there was no indication that the Airbus jet had been shot down or blown up.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/us-egypt-crash-idUSKCN0SP06V20151031

 

[Volimar]

Damn, RIP.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Rip for all thd lives lost

 

[Undead]

It's getting reported that people may still be alive

 

[ponpo]

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/660394644132536321

Update - Reuters: officers at the scene of the Russian plane crash say voices of trapped passengers could be heard in a section of the plane

zawa

 

[Blablurn]

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/660394644132536321

Update - Reuters: officers at the scene of the Russian plane crash say voices of trapped passengers could be heard in a section of the plane

zawa

holy shit if someone survived it

 

[doop_]

I hope someone survives, this is awful news.

 

[KHlover]

These last few years have been awful for planes glad I don't fly.

I hope you don't drive a car. Or walk on foot. Planes are still the safest way to get around.

 

[Ensirius]

holy shit if someone survived it

No way...