Guerrillas in the Mist
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Unbelievable. I wonder if the conditions of where it landed may have somehow lessened the impact?
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Russian airliner carrying more than 200 passengers missing on flight over Egypt
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Unbelievable. I wonder if the conditions of where it landed may have somehow lessened the impact?
8-Bit Sunset
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Terrible, terrible news!
Watching CNN now but they haven't mentioned anything about possible survivors yet!
Watching CNN now but they haven't mentioned anything about possible survivors yet!
Yep. Plane disasters get a lot of reports because they're so rare, but I understand why one would be more terrified of them. You have no control in a situation where you're thousands of feet above the ground in a cramped and crowded space.
I think there is also the feeling that there is a little time between knowing you will die to actually crashing. Other accidents are assumed to be more sudden.
The best documentary series to watch before taking transatlantic or transpacific flight .
womfalcs3
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It always has one result that's consistent... All the crashes were pilot error.
I have a friend flying into Dubai now
It's not that pilots are bad, but when 95% of the experience is automated, it's gotta be really tough to keep bringing your A game day in and day out.
The first time the computer fucks up, how can you not be expected to just panic and start twisting knobs, leaning on levers, etc?
As a quick note for GAF, the red curve is speed, the blue curve i altitude.
That is one immense drop in air speed right there. Makes me wonder how it's calculated, if there's an moving average involved somewhere. (Ie is the reported speed dropping to zero or not, indicating other problems)
But related to that, an engineering tale from the trenches. (And on the phone, so the formatting will be what it'll be)
A few years back I was involved with testing done new connectors for an industrial product. It had a connector that carried a low voltage analog signal that was critical for the operation of the product, and said connector needed replacing since it was failing in the field and nobody knew why. Some detective work later it was revealed that one of its numerous sins was that it was susceptible to something called thermal motion fretting.
Now this is something that happens in (some) connector designs when the temperature goes up and down, and consequently the stuff in the connector starts to grow and shrink at different rates. Plastic more so than metals as a rule of thumb. And more specifically the part that pinches the pin, and the pin starts to rub, back and forth. Grinding away material, and if the material likes to oxidize... Well, then it probably will. And in all luck, said oxides tend to not conduct very well, at all. So that made the connector fail.
One of the connectors that where examined as a replacement was from a company called Nicomatic. A nice connector in many ways, but alas it was also find to be susceptible to thermal motion fretting. We sent the samples back to them after having then analysed by a third party institute and a contact professor (yes, those people exist apparently), and they claimed it was fungal growth that we saw. We weren't very impressed.
Now the root of this tale is that this connector design was claimed to be operating in aircraft engines (Airbus specifically iirc).
Of course the sales rep could have been overconfident in his product and decided to bend the truth a bit (he seemed like the kind of guy that would sell his mother to get ahead honestly). In any number of ways, like it's not used there, it is used there but another version without said problems, and so on.
This needn't be related in the slightest, as per above, and a whole other host of reasons (root cause of failure is unknown and what not). But still, it worries me.
Phat Michael
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Every thread we have this argument and it's ridiculous. If you crash in your car it doesn't mean you are instantly dead. If you are involved in a plane crash it drops 30000 feet and you will die.
Those aren't the same thing at all and that is why people are scared to fly as they aren't in control and the consequences are much worse.
SolidusDave
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Obviously that argument is based on the number of people dying in car accidents and doesn't factor in survivors.
Phat Michael
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What does this have to do with going over Syrian airspace from Russia? Dubai is the most trafficked airport in the entire world, it has more flights than Heathrow. Everyone knows someone going through Dubai today I wouldn't worry about that.
Even if you only count deadly car crashes, plane are still safer by far.
Tarkus
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That's Hartsfield-Jackson in ATL. Dubai is #3
ThreePiMatt
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That's Hartsfield-Jackson in ATL. Dubai is #3
O'Hare has more flights, Hartsfield-Jackson has more passengers.
JoJoShabadoo
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Awful news, that's a lot of people. Very tragic. I've been in my life on two separate flights of really, really bad turbulence, and even though I didn't expect the worst, I imagined how terrible it would be to actually be involved in a crash. So, R.I.P. to these poor souls.
So no survivors.. no voices from within?
EdwardTivrusky
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Tragic, i was hopeful when i read rumours of possible survivors. Sad to hear they were only rumours.
... seriously...
They've been the safest years on record.
I don't buy this. Unless there was a bomb or a terrorist on board. But it's said that all on board were Russians.
SymbiantXenos
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Doubtfull
Mmmmmmmmmmm
Gormless Noodle
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I wouldn't be THAT surprised really. They've conquered a lot of land and got their hands on a whole lot of weaponry and vehicles. It's really not outside the realm of possibilities.
Hip Hop
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I don't believe it.
They'll claim responsibility for anything bad happening.
If this is proven to be real..then I cant even imagine the ramifications.
But its obviously BS.
How did they shot down a plane from 31,000 ft? I don't buy it
ChubbleDucks
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to do that you need a sophisticated AA radar and modern BUK is capable to destroy cabin without impact. ISIS does not have this capability.
That we know of.
Well, I doubt it, unless they managed to stole it from Egyptian army.
that video couldnt be any more fake.
Could be. I'm not 100% sure of it's authenticity either.
It's hard to tell honestly, I've never seen that footage ever before but the explosion looks like a photoshop edit.
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