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Russian airliner carrying more than 200 passengers missing on flight over Egypt

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ErnieMcCracken

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newtypepilot said:
RIP

so has it been confirmed that it was done by ISIS? or it's just ISIS claiming they'd done it?
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ISIS claimed to have shot it down but it seems likely that that was not the case. An on-board "incident" has not been ruled out and is being looked at as a possible cause. Whether that was a bomb or mechanical issue (ala TWA-800) is unknown.
 
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ErnieMcCracken said:
ISIS claimed to have shot it down but it seems likely that that was not the case. An on-board "incident" has not been ruled out and is being looked at as a possible cause. Whether that was a bomb or mechanical issue (ala TWA-800) is unknown.
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They just said they "downed" a plane didn't they?
 
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DrM

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Reports are coming in that 'unusual sounds' can be heard on last seconds of audio from the cockpit. Also last communication between air control and pilots happened around four minutes before crash.

Two new options are being discussed : fuel tank explosion or explosion in luggage compartment
 
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DrM said:
Reports are coming in that 'unusual sounds' can be heard on last seconds of audio from the cockpit. Also last communication between air control and pilots happened around four minutes before crash.

Two new options are being discussed : fuel tank explosion or explosion in luggage compartment
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So what most people are thinking right now. No missile, but could be a bomb or technical failure.

So tragic either way. :(
 
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cartoon_soldier

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ru...hen-russian-metrojet-plane-crashed-no-n456161

A senior defense official told NBC News late Monday that an American infrared satellite detected a heat flash at the same time and in the same vicinity over the Sinai where the Russian passenger plane crashed.

According to the official, U.S. intelligence analysts believe it could have been some kind of explosion on the aircraft itself, either a fuel tank or a bomb, but that there's no indication that a surface-to-air missile brought the plane down.
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chadskin

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In an audio message posted on a Twitter account used by the group, Islamic State's Egyptian affiliate insisted it was behind the crash. The claim could not immediately be authenticated.

"We say to the deniers and the doubters: Die from your frustration. We, with God's grace, are the ones who brought it down, and we are not obliged to disclose the mechanism of its demise," the speaker said.

"So go to the wreckage, search, bring your black boxes and analyze, give us the summary of your research and the product of your expertise and prove that we did not bring it down or how it came down," he said in Arabic.

"We will disclose the mechanism of its demise at the time that we want and in the way that we want."
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/04/us-egypt-crash-islamicstate-idUSKCN0ST1O920151104
 
MisterFalcon

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"No trace of a bomb means it was our untraceable new bomb !! Whuhahahahaha !
Also that guy that had a heart attack was totally us and our undetectable poisons !"
 
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chadskin

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BREAKING UK Government says Russian jet was downed by an "explosive device". Flights due to leave Sharm for the UK will be delayed tonight
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BREAKING The Prime Minister will chair a COBR meeting at 18.45 to review the situation and we will provide an update after that meeting. m/f
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"We recognise this information may cause concern for those in Sharm and indeed for those planning to travel to Sharm in the coming days" m/f
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https://twitter.com/christopherhope/
 
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pulsemyne

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MI6 probably found something out. If it's confirmed then I think we will see Russia stepping up attacks on ISIS in syria (maybe the will actually really go after them as opposed to just rebels near Assad forces).
 
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raindoc

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The prime minister’s spokeswoman said:
“While the investigation is still ongoing we cannot say categorically why the Russian jet crashed. But as more information has come to light we have become concerned that the plane may well have been brought down by an explosive device.

“In light of this and as a precautionary measure we have decided that flights due to leave Sharm for the UK this evening will be delayed. That will allow time for a team of UK aviation experts, currently travelling to Sharm, to make an assessment of the security arrangements in place at the airport and to identify whether any further action is required. We expect this assessment to be completed tonight. In terms of flights from the UK to Sharm, there are no more departures [scheduled] today.”
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...been-caused-by-explosive-devcice-uk-says-live
 
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KHarvey16

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That statement is far less committal than the Twitter comments suggested. It's very likely there was an explosion but there's no indication yet that it was intentional.
 
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KHarvey16

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KingSnake said:
The grounding of the planes is very committal.
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Not committal to a specific cause but recognition of ignorance regarding what the cause is. It's a safety measure.

That statement isn't saying it was a bomb, unlike the comments on Twitter which made it seem definitive.
 
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KingSnake

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KHarvey16 said:
Not committal to a specific cause but recognition of ignorance regarding what the cause is. It's a safety measure.

That statement isn't saying it was a bomb, unlike the comments on Twitter which made it seem definitive.
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You don't see this kind of safety measure unless there is a clear threat. It's not the usual thing to do.
 
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KHarvey16

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KingSnake said:
You don't see this kind of safety measure unless there is a clear threat. It's not the usual thing to do.
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Under these circumstances it isn't unusual at all. Entire fleets of planes are grounded in cases where the cause or existence of a malfunction is not understood.
 
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KingSnake

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KHarvey16 said:
Under these circumstances it isn't unusual at all. Entire fleets of planes are grounded in cases where the cause or existence of a malfunction is not understood.
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It's not the same thing, but even so the same type of aircraft is grounded if there is reasonable proof that there might be a serious malfunction.

If the planes in Sharm are grounded it means that there is a reasonable proof that there might have been a bomb. It never happens just because there is an accident. When is the last time planes from the same airport were grounded? Not based on the plane type, based on location.
 
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KHarvey16

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KingSnake said:
It's not the same thing, but even so the same type of aircraft is grounded if there is reasonable proof that there might be a serious malfunction.

If the planes in Sharm are grounded it means that there is a reasonable proof that there might have been a bomb. It never happens just because there is an accident. When is the last time planes from the same airport were grounded? Not based on the plane type, based on location.
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It isn't that they know it was a bomb, it's because they are fairly certain it was an explosion and can't rule out a bomb. The statement from the UK government made it clear they don't know what it was yet and are doing this as a precaution to allow more safety checks. Do you think if they had proof they would keep it to themselves?
 
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chadskin

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The latest U.S. intelligence suggests that the crash of Metrojet Flight 9268 was most likely caused by a bomb on the plane planted by ISIS or an ISIS affiliate, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter. The official stressed that there has not been a formal conclusion reached by the U.S. intelligence community. "There is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage or somewhere on the plane," the official told CNN's Barbara Starr.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
 
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maabus1999

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Netherscourge said:
Oh boy...

Well, maybe now Putin will actually attack ISIS instead of anti-Assad rebels now?

Probably not.
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as weird as it sounds that might have been Isis Goal all along as it will force Russia to act in the air and possible on the ground which will make coalition airstrikes much much more complicated.
 
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KingSnake

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KHarvey16 said:
It isn't that they know it was a bomb, it's because they are fairly certain it was an explosion and can't rule out a bomb. The statement from the UK government made it clear they don't know what it was yet and are doing this as a precaution to allow more safety checks. Do you think if they had proof they would keep it to themselves?
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The statement is one thing, it's PR. They can't say publicly that there was a bomb until there is undoubtedly proof there was. But the action says that they are fairly certain there was a bomb.

"Can't rule out a bomb" doesn't ground planes. "It's highly probable that there was a bomb, Sir" does that.
 
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I never doubted the bomb theory and now I'm starting to think the blurry video is real.

Putin will strike swiftly and mercilessly unlike coalition forces. He might even drop a nuke on their stronghold.
 
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KHarvey16

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KingSnake said:
The statement is one thing, it's PR. They can't say publicly that there was a bomb until there is undoubtedly proof there was. But the action says that they are fairly certain there was a bomb.

"Can't rule out a bomb" doesn't ground planes. "It's highly probable that there was a bomb, Sir" does that.
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It's absolutely the uncertainty. They say very plainly what they don't know and what they're doing. At this moment all they've done is temporarily suspended flights to allow for a security check.

I'm sorry, but saying they wouldn't suspend flights from the region without proof it was a bomb is simply wrong.
 
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DirtyManos

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They must've found some early evidence already to start saying bomb, considering the intense repercussions that would cause without basis.

Some sort shrapnel of metal not found in airplanes or some chemical residue of explosive material not in jet fuel? No idea how these things work.
 
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