Not really. They probably have some direct intel from GCHQ which they won't share with the Egyptians/Russians as it gives away their capabilities.
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Russian airliner carrying more than 200 passengers missing on flight over Egypt
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Not really. They probably have some direct intel from GCHQ which they won't share with the Egyptians/Russians as it gives away their capabilities.
Why? The most probable scenario based on the evidence and presumably their intelligence is that it was a bomb. The US have said the same thing. Egypt and Russia are just dancing around saying it because it escalates things on their end, they need to have everything in place before they announce their findings and the inevitable military consequences.
captainnapalm
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Russia made some very powerful enemies by going into Syria. ISIS is just one of them, and probably the least powerful and resourceful one.
Because it was, all the evidence point at it
MisterFalcon
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If this was a bomb this is very problematic for the Russians as it counters a lot of the propaganda they have been pushing.
-The Syria intervention was supposed to be a decisive one, defeating ISIS in short order with the best Russian military hardware which is of course the best in the world. The Arab world would be thankful for their help.
-After proclaiming for months the guilt for MH17 lay largely with the airline flying for over a warzone this is difficult to explain when it's their own plane this time
-The fact that a Russian plane and not one full of English or American tourists was the first one successfully blown up by terrorists in a long time also leads to a lot of awkward questions.
Is security in Egypt worse for Russian low budget airlines ?
How did ISIS manage to infiltrate a bomber into the airport so quickly he could strike a month after Russia got involved ?
If the terrorists were there already why did they not strike against the countries bombing ISIS ?
Was this a lone wolf who was angry at Russia for attacking non-ISIS rebels like Al Nusra ? Russia has been saying they are identical.
-The Syria intervention was supposed to be a decisive one, defeating ISIS in short order with the best Russian military hardware which is of course the best in the world. The Arab world would be thankful for their help.
-After proclaiming for months the guilt for MH17 lay largely with the airline flying for over a warzone this is difficult to explain when it's their own plane this time
-The fact that a Russian plane and not one full of English or American tourists was the first one successfully blown up by terrorists in a long time also leads to a lot of awkward questions.
Is security in Egypt worse for Russian low budget airlines ?
How did ISIS manage to infiltrate a bomber into the airport so quickly he could strike a month after Russia got involved ?
If the terrorists were there already why did they not strike against the countries bombing ISIS ?
Was this a lone wolf who was angry at Russia for attacking non-ISIS rebels like Al Nusra ? Russia has been saying they are identical.
It does? At least I haven't read anything about evidence that's only explainable by a bomb and not a technical malfunction, e.g. an explosion not caused by a bomb.
Also, if someone wants to claim something to be their work, wouldn't they publish information only the perpetrators could know before it's publicised by the authorities? But the IS didn't do that.
What has happened is probably more explainable as a bomb, I am sure that Airbus would be having kittens if they thought the tail of an A321 has just fallen off without external forces.
The plane is question isn't particularly old (for a charter airline anyway) and although it has had maintenance for a tail strike in the past, said maintenance was done by Airbus themselves.
Sharm airport is very lax security was, the plane was on stand for 12hrs prior to the event, so there is opportunity.
The question is, if it wasn't a bomb, what was it.
https://twitter.com/breakingnews/status/662632422996058112
The recommendation came from the chief of the Russian intelligence agency FSB.
Kenshin001
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So is that tacit admission it was a bomb then?
Egypt's crippled economy continues to worsen with UK and Russia totally pulled out of this tourist destination.
I wonder what things will be like for a militaristic government dealing increasingly with terrorist groups when it starts getting hard to pay the military.
I just hope we don't see ISIS target pyramids. That would be tragic.
I wonder what things will be like for a militaristic government dealing increasingly with terrorist groups when it starts getting hard to pay the military.
I just hope we don't see ISIS target pyramids. That would be tragic.
Certainly it confirms that it was not a mechanical failure.
Tarkus
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I can't that believe people would want to go on holiday to a place in such close proximity to danger. Last I heard there were 20000 Britons stranded there. Must be dirt cheap to go there.
It's fairly cheap and it's one of the best diving spots in the world.
yeah sharm has great diving, 10/10 would dive again.
It is cheap, last year we had 10 days all inclusive for £300 each (inc flights), I've been there 4 times, weather is beautiful, diving is awesome, just a shame it's stuck on the coast of the Sinia, which is a very lawless place.
I've never felt unsafe there, security is pretty tight, and fairly militarized (technicals with 50cals are a common sight, as are AK47's!), but lax in the airport, and has been for YEARS, everything has a level of risk attached, and it's up to the individual to judge the risk.
I'm not suprised that this has happened, but the security issues are nothing new.
People will always go where they can get a cheap holiday (providing travel insurance covers the area) and like others have said, the lack of security in the airport is nothing new and there are many many airports around the world where security is just as bad or worse.
SliceSabre
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Oh yeah I have no doubt it was bombed or something. No way Russia or any country does this simply over anything else.
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Brolic Gaoler
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They have destroyed Ninevah, Jonah's tomb and other exceptionally important relics/places. It's already tragic
and there's no reason to believe the pyramids would be off limits. In fact, judging from how they have been, it's gonna be top of their list if they take over the area.
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I didn't say it wasn't already tragic. The whole fucking thing is tragic.
More Fun To Compute
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I don't think that we will hear much about how horrible ISIS are in Egypt if the USA are not looking for political support to send in ground troops. So the pyramids might be safe.
RustyNails
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You do realize that Egypt has the strongest military in the region, right?
Jezbollah
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French media reporting that a sound of an explosion can be heard on black box recordings.
EDIT: https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/662709017794379777
Not directly, but pointing to that. Investigators are also probing the remains of the plane and cargo for explosive residue/damage.
Explosive decompression is still a possibility.
Jezbollah
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You probably are. This part of Egypt is a popular tourist location all over Europe.
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Maninthemirror
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If FSB confirms its a bomb by ISIS. Putin will Nuke ISIS. he doesn't care about collateral damage....and Obama will let him
and in the end maybe that is what is required. one army invasion or one strategic strike
and in the end maybe that is what is required. one army invasion or one strategic strike
Nuke not a chance in hell, they may use this an excuse to eradicate them but they will not use nuclear power to do it.
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legacyzero
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Lol wat
darkinstinct
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On what? ISIS is decentralized. That's why air strikes barely do any damage to them. A nuke won't do shit. 10 nukes won't do shit. And nobody is stupid enough to ever use a nuke again.
Nobody's going to nuke anybody. At the very most he'll invade the middle east and hunt ISIS down. Honestly, I'm not even entirely sure most of the Russian nukes are still in working order. They haven't exactly been great with maintenance since the fall of the USSR.
Jezbollah
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Oh, if only the solution was as easy as dropping one Nuke.
Maninthemirror
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No way. And there's no way the UNSC would sanction that. It's too dangerous a precedent.
Of course Putin could go rogue, but Russia are isolated enough, no-one's going to do business with a state using nukes.
'What, Poland sold us the wrong type of apples?! Nuke Warsaw'
It'll never happen. Thank God.
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PeskyToaster
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I doubt they would nuke ISIS. Let's be realistic here. I can see them stepping up their Syria game though to destroy ISIS and I say let someone else handle it for once.
indeed look like shrapnel but they should do some residues analysis to look for traces of explosives and confirm it beyond doubt
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