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[Pusherman]

Seeing as that the visitors in the stands also didn't participate this mostly seems to be a misunderstanding where they weren't aware they were going to do this.

Besides, and this will probably not be a popular sentiment, but I'm not a fan of making foreigners participate in our public rituals of mourning. Especially not foreigners from a region where death and destruction at the hands of terrorists is far more common. Those victims rarely get a passing thought over here so it just reinforces how much more important Western victims are thought to be to everyone and not just ourselves.

 

[RoadHazard]

If we're gonna do anything about worldwide Islamic terrorism, something needs to be done about this country. Sanction the fuck out of them, please. Yes, sorry about all that money, but we can't just let them go about their merry business. They have so much innocent blood on their hands, and they won't even fucking pretend to honor the victims. They are evil, and they need to be dealt with.

(No, I'm not saying possible nuke zone.)

Seeing as that the visitors in the stands also didn't participate this mostly seems to be a misunderstanding where they weren't aware they were going to do this.

Besides, and this will probably not be a popular sentiment, but I'm not a fan of making foreigners participate in our public rituals of mourning. Especially not foreigners from a region where death and destruction at the hands of terrorists is far more common. Those victims rarely get a passing thought over here so it just reinforces how much more important Western victims are thought to be to everyone and not just ourselves.

Did you miss the part about how "the Asian Football Confederation approved the minute’s silence against the wishes of Saudi Arabia"? There's no defending this. Fuck them.

 

[Mohonky]

I dunno if I would trust everything coming from that source. looking back at one of Rusty's posts, they apparently can come off as extremist

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169244813&postcount=289

Well yeh, did you read the link?

 

[ClosingADoor]

The way I see it, participating in the minute of silence is the least you can do, not necessarily to show that you care, but at least showing respect to the victims and those who do. Everything beyond that is personal preference and should never be forced in my opinion. Empathy can not be forced.

They are on camera in front of a large crowd, images all over the world. stand up, line up, show a bit of respect. I don't see why they couldn't do that, and why Saudi officials were against the minute silence.

Seeing as that the visitors in the stands also didn't participate this mostly seems to be a misunderstanding where they weren't aware they were going to do this.

Besides, and this will probably not be a popular sentiment, but I'm not a fan of making foreigners participate in our public rituals of mourning. Especially not foreigners from a region where death and destruction at the hands of terrorists is far more common. Those victims rarely get a passing thought over here so it just reinforces how much more important Western victims are thought to be to everyone and not just ourselves.

They asked the football federation that includes that region. Are there examples of Saudi Arabia or others asking for a minute silence before a match and being refused? Because I doubt a Western country would have a problem with participating in that.

 

[jimbobsmells]

This was to honour the Australians killed, before a match against Australia, in Australia. There is literally no excuse. Where's DXB_Knight when you need him.

 

[paperboywriter]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...otball-team-fail-line-minutes-silence-honour/

Horrible horrible people. You really have to be the scum of the earth to refuse to honor the memory of innocent victims. What a fucked up thing to do. Makes my blood boil.

How are we not boycotting the saudi government already ? The saudis and their wahabi ideology are the worst thing to ever happen to the muslim world. Fuck all of them to oblivion.

what the fuck is wrong with those people. disgrace.

 

[The Artisan]

Well yeh, did you read the link?

...is a reprehensible act and an innovation...

what do you think?

 

[E-Cat]

Great 'ally' you got there, US/UK.

 

[gutter_trash]

I can't wait for the human race to move away from fossil fuels so we don't have to do business with these dictators

 

[LNBL]

Keep making trade deals with them and tickling their balls, that will surely put them in their place. Oh wait

 

[E-Cat]

WTF. What even is their reasoning?

Saudi Arabia are exporters of the super conservative wahhabi/salafi ideology. So, it's not inconceivable that some of them feel at least a little sympathetic -- well, let's say, not opposed to enabling terrorism, in the very least.

 

[adamsapple]

Every time SA come up around here there's always people defending them.

Have fun defending this.

No one's defending SA, but the actual article is about their sports team, the topic title is wildly inaccurate/misleading.

Even the Muslim world agrees that SA are the 'elitist' racists pricks of our culture. None of my friends who currently work there like it, they're just there for money/supporting their families.

 

[Marky Mark]

Regardless of the saudis I do feel it's a bit disingenuous how we often only care for terror victims in the west.

Australians we injured and killed in the attack so it's not just caring about the West it's showing respect to countrymen.

 

[BocoDragon]

They really do think a bunch of thuggish murderers are going to restore their religious civilization to world prominence.... shaking my damn head.

 

[daviyoung]

No one's defending SA, but the actual article is about their sports team, the topic title is wildly inaccurate/misleading.

Even the Muslim world agrees that SA are the 'elitist' racists pricks of our culture. None of my friends who currently work there like it, they're just there for money/supporting their families.

What exactly is misleading about "Saudi Arabia soccer team doesn't line up for London terror minute of silence"?

 

[therealist]

I can't wait for the human race to move away from fossil fuels so we don't have to do business with these dictators

Wouldn't it be easier to just get them to not be dictators?

 

[Livedili]

just want to say that the minuet of silence is forbidden in Islam, because its considered as Honoring the Dead which is forbidden. maybe that's the reason.

I can't help but laugh at people who are still religious in 2017. Look where we've come to with "my god is bigger than yours".

 

[wildfire]

Fucking cunts.

^

 

[samar11]

No minute silence for the people that died in the Iran terror attack? Pretty sad

 

[Honey Bunny]

Despicable. They knew exactly what message they were sending.

 

[azyless]

No minute silence for the people that died in the Iran terror attack? Pretty sad

I'm sure Iran will have one so I don't see your point unless you have no understanding of Australia's ties to England + the fact that 2 Australians died in London.

 

[T-0800]

just want to say that the minuet of silence is forbidden in Islam, because its considered as Honoring the Dead which is forbidden. maybe that's the reason.

Maybe they should do it out of respect for the country they are in.

 

[chicko1983]

Im shaking my head at people saying it isnt in Islam's faith or Saudi culture to observe a minutes silence.

When the Australian soccer team travels to Saudi Arabia, they have to eat non-western food, despite it not be the best for their performance according to their dietitians.

Yet, the Aussie team observes and respects their culture when they are in their country!

SA are a bunch of cunts.

 

[BackLogJoe]

And we can't talk about the sale of arms to them during hustings eh?

What's there to talk about? We are them now.

 

[Honey Bunny]

Im shaking my head at people saying it isnt in Islam's faith or Saudi culture to observe a minutes silence.

When the Australian soccer team travels to Saudi Arabia, they have to eat non-western food, despite it not be the best for their performance according to their dietitians.

It's also a lie, as multiple examples in the Guardian article demonstrate.

 

[Kid Ying]

Don't think they refused, it just looks like they where not briefed before the game. They gave a minute silence but they diden't do it an formation like Australia.

Don't see the problem here.

Yeah, but people love to judge without knowing the whole story.

 

[99Luffy]

don't worry, trump will lick their nuts so they can get away with anything.

By trump you probably meant Obama, every US president, and every western leader.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Hyperbole, the thread #9989454664546846.

The funniest reaction is "they are admitting their guilt".

Saudi Arabia diplomacy condemned every terrorist attack on western soil, but would negate to do so via their soccer team ? Very coherent. Sometime you don't need to read beyond the headline, you just need to use your intellect.

 

[Mivey]

What's their objection to standing around for a minute? Seems petty and cruel.

 

[Replicant]

Disgusting pieces of shits.

 

[Kinyou]

Besides, and this will probably not be a popular sentiment, but I'm not a fan of making foreigners participate in our public rituals of mourning. Especially not foreigners from a region where death and destruction at the hands of terrorists is far more common. Those victims rarely get a passing thought over here so it just reinforces how much more important Western victims are thought to be to everyone and not just ourselves.

I'd get that if people in the west were demanding that people in Saudi Arabia are supposed to have a minute of silence in their schools etc. but this about a football match were they were visitors. I don't see how that can be excused.

 

[adamsapple]

What exactly is misleading about "Saudi Arabia soccer team doesn't line up for London terror minute of silence"?

That wasn't the original title, it's been changed. The original was "Saudia Arabia refuses minute of silence in honour of London terror attack victims"

I hope the difference between the old and new titles is immediately visible.

 

[zashga]

No, you're just completely ignorant. As usual.

https://islamqa.info/en/120181

Uh, did you read this? Because it's pretty fucked up:

What some people do, of standing in silence for a moment, as a salute to the martyrs or prominent figures, or to honour and show respect to their souls, and in mourning for them, is a reprehensible act and an innovation, that was not done at the time of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) or at the time of his Companions or the righteous earlier generations. It is not in accordance with the etiquette of Tawheed or sincere veneration towards Allah. Rather it is done by some Muslims who are ignorant of their religion, following the invention of this practice by the disbelievers, and imitating them in their reprehensible customs and their exaggeration about their leaders and prominent figures, both living and dead. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade us to imitate them.

Pretty sure this isn't representative of mainstream Islam, because... wow.

 

[black_13]

And they will keep getting away with it as long as they keep buying billions of military equipment from various western countries because jobs are all the west cares about.

 

[AuthenticM]

Wouldn't it be easier to just get them to not be dictators?

No, it would not.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

This is a cultural difference. Minute silences aren't observed in Saudi Arabia, nor is it customary in Islam. Hence the reason why they didn't agree to it. Most of the players did, however, stand still and observe it without lining up.

If the players were directly told not to do it, then this is probably the result of that.



No, you're just completely ignorant. As usual.

https://islamqa.info/en/120181

I have to call bullshit, why did the Saudi team observe a minute's silence in Dec 13 of last year and not in Australia last night? So when I visit Saudi I should just spout my culture gives women equal rights and ignore what I chose? It's about respect not culture, you're the ignorant one here with a bullshit excuse.

Last year in Doha, Qatar, players from a Saudi club observed a minute's silence. The game, between FC Barcelona and al-Ahli FC on December 13 saw all the players, including the Saudis, marking silence to honour the memory of members of the Brazilian soccer team Chapecoense who were killed in a plane crash.

EDIT: Here's a cultural difference...and a shit one again.

In Melbourne, Australia during the 2015 Asian Cup, Saudi team refused to board bus driven by a woman.

...

However the team did agree to get on during that occasion but asked that all subsequent drivers be male.

 

[Sayad]

Uh, did you read this? Because it's pretty fucked up:



Pretty sure this isn't representative of mainstream Islam, because... wow.

It isn't, it comes from the same breed of thought that spawned things like ISIS(surprise surprise), sadly though, I guess that's kinda mainstream in some parts of the Muslim world.

 

[Moskalova]

Holding statement from the Saudi Arabian Football Federation regarding the one minute silence in Australia game:

The Saudi Arabian Football Federation deeply regrets and unreservedly apologises for any offence caused by the failure of some members of the representative team of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to formally observe the one minute's silence in memory of the victims of the London terrorist attack on 3 June 2017, prior to the World Cup Qualifying match against Australia in Adelaide.

The players did not intend any disrespect to the memories of the victims or to cause upset to their families, friends or any individual affected by the atrocity
The Saudi Arabian Football Federation condemns all acts of terrorism and extremism and extends its sincerest condolences to the families of all the victims and to the Government and people of the United Kingdom.

http://thesaff.com.sa/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=15998

 

[bionic77]

That's horrible. They should immediately apologize.

At least it wasn't my country being the cunt for a change.

 

[adamsapple]

Holding statement from the Saudi Arabian Football Federation regarding the one minute silence in Australia game:



http://thesaff.com.sa/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=15998

There you go, what happened was immature on the team's part but hopefully they'll be mindful for future occurrences.

 

[silva1991]

Really disappointing, but not surprising :/

Im shaking my head at people saying it isnt in Islam's faith or Saudi culture to observe a minutes silence.

When the Australian soccer team travels to Saudi Arabia, they have to eat non-western food, despite it not be the best for their performance according to their dietitians.

Yet, the Aussie team observes and respects their culture when they are in their country!

SA are a bunch of cunts.

That's the worst lie I have ever read recently. Like do you really believe that?

 

[DrSlek]

When in Rome, do as the Romans do....and whatnot.

 

[Sayad]

That's the worst lie I have ever read recently. Like do you really believe that?

I guess this is relevant, lol:

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Fucking cunts.

One and done. First post GAF etc.

 

[Lord Panda]

They would have just dedicated their minute of silence to all their terrorist buddies that have fallen for the cause anyway.

 

[davidbloop]

Holding statement from the Saudi Arabian Football Federation regarding the one minute silence in Australia game:



http://thesaff.com.sa/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=15998

That'd be fine if the FFA didn't try to convince them to observe beforehand, but apparently they were told by the AFC and FFA and chose to refuse to participate.

Fuck them. Glad we beat them at least.

 

[walking fiend]

just want to say that the minuet of silence is forbidden in Islam, because its considered as Honoring the Dead which is forbidden. maybe that's the reason.

What are you talking about lol? It is not. Maybe in Suadi Arabia

Holding statement from the Saudi Arabian Football Federation regarding the one minute silence in Australia game:



http://thesaff.com.sa/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=15998

There was literally '1' of their players observing the silence, only 1. I just don't get it, why in the world didn't they just line up to observe the silence?

 

[Laughing Banana]

just want to say that the minuet of silence is forbidden in Islam, because its considered as Honoring the Dead which is forbidden. maybe that's the reason.

What? What is this? "Honoring the dead" is not "forbidden" in Islam. I've been living for 33 years as a Muslim and this is the first time I am hearing this. What's your source? Don't say stuff like this unless you can provide a credible, verifiable source, lest you create a misinterpretation among people about Muslims, and we Muslims have had enough of that already :/

Edit:

wow sorry my bad, someone told me about it and I didn't know that.

Eurghh fucking goddamnit :/

 

[Onlinehero]

To be fair it is shit.

However it seems fair to acknowledge every terrorattack especially outside the west where it is most rampant. It's more important than football anyway.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Uh, did you read this? Because it's pretty fucked up:



Pretty sure this isn't representative of mainstream Islam, because... wow.

IslamQA is the website that promote everything the official clergy of S-A says.
It's represent a particular brand of Islam, called Wahhabism, and it's a specific branch of wahhabism, that specialist usually call "quietist".

They are puritans and fundamentalists. They believe that anything new is basically "an innovation" (that contradict the religion) and that the non-muslims are not to be imitated in any shape or form.

They have departed really far from the traditional sunni views, and are considered as deviants by the vast majority of muslims. Even in S-A, most muslim don't follow this doctrine.