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Scientists claim to have found Atlantis

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hteng

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Patrick Bateman said:
It's in my pants.
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opticalmace

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Uh, misleading title--it says they have found 'memorial cities' in Atlantis' image; they are still only speculating about Atlantis itself.
 
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rodvik

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Dan said:
Uh huh. I have my doubts about discoveries that are revealed on TV shows.
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Yeah, pretty sure if you have a serious discovery a peer reviewed journal is probably the first port of call.
 
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GillianSeed79

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Even though it's highly unlikely Atlantis even existed, having the myth be it's located near Spain is at least better than the whole Atlantis is off the coast of Bermuda bullshit. Where's your Bimini Road god now History Channel?
 
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Deku

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GillianSeed79 said:
Even though it's highly unlikely Atlantis even existed, having the myth be it's located near Spain is at least better than the whole Atlantis is off the coast of Bermuda bullshit. Where's your Bimini Road god now History Channel?
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Atlantis is closer to Greece.

Or at least something happened to the Minoans which cause their collapse a thousand years before Plato wrote about it.

The archeology there is far more interesting than all this speculation because there is an entire town on Santorini buried in ash after the island blew up (the Island is a volcano).

So archeologists and digging up intact structures that are far older than Pompeii from the bronze age, with frescos, and architecture that was quite advanced for its time.

Linking to the doc again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcXDjZZzN4I&playnext=1&list=PL0B6764A0B8CDDD23
 
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xbhaskarx

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shinobi602 said:
Some other sources lol:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-tsunami-atlantis-idUSTRE72B2JR20110312

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ands_of_southern_spain_researchers_claim.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ca...ing+possible+Atlantis+site/4433038/story.html

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/13/has-lost-city-of-atlantis-been-found-in-spanish-marsh/

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/03/13/have-scientists-found-atlantis/
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Okay but is it being reported by any serious and reliable news outlets who don't fall for ridiculous stories with attention grabbing headlines?

by definition, no
 
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viciouskillersquirrel

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xbhaskarx said:
Okay but is it being reported by any serious and reliable news outlets?
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Reuters is fairly serious and reliable as far as I'm aware.

I'll wait until I see the documentary, to be honest. I think claims of it being THE Atlantis might be overblown, but I'm sure it'll be interesting.

EDIT: Damn your stealth editing ways!
 
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Anerythristic

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Hopefully the team is preparing the proper research needed t find out exactly what the sunken city is. People need to at least let them present their evidence in an unbiased manner instead of calling it bullshit right out of the gate before listening.
 
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Guardian Bob

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The image shows two rectangular structures which are interpreted as remnants of the two temples of Atlantis.

Mr. Freund’s discovery in central Spain of a strange series of “memorial cities,” built in Atlantis’ image by its refugees after the city’s likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he said.

Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled inland and built new cities there, he added.

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If this isn't Altantis, I don't know what would be. It matches Plato's records almost perfectly.
 
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SumPog

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Guardian Bob said:
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The image shows two rectangular structures which are interpreted as remnants of the two temples of Atlantis.

Mr. Freund’s discovery in central Spain of a strange series of “memorial cities,” built in Atlantis’ image by its refugees after the city’s likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he said.

Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled inland and built new cities there, he added.

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If this isn't Altantis, I don't know what would be. It matches Plato's records almost perfectly.
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What is there to that picture? A strangely conveyed sea floor is all i can see. I mean, look at all those bullshit claims about finding life on mars and noah's ark.
 
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reilo

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shinobi602 said:
Not claiming one way or the other, but how are you so sure? What makes you so sure?
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He's kryptonian. He's got x-ray vision and shit.
 
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Guardian Bob

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krypt0nian said:
Atlantis is mythical like Avalon, or Noah's Ark. There was never any such thing.
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And you could say places like Pompeii was mythical to the romans until we found proof. I don't understand your argument because there is no proof to disprove Atlantis. Archeologists have found a maritime city with archeology that they have never seen before in a location that matches geography from Plato's description. We'll never know for sure, but it does match quite a few things.
 
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Deku

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Plato was not a historian. His Atlantis is very clearly an allegory, for an Athenian audience, which at the time of his writing was a superpower and a major seapower. So the parallels to Atlantis was there.

So on that basis, it has never been told as a factual account. But many people believe it was based on a real place.

So when you have a starting point being the allegory of philosopher, you're already on quicksand, and there are no shortage of 'lost cities' or imaginary flatlands on the bottom of the sea which could be called Atlantis.

And 99% of all claims are of that nature. That is why the Thera/Santorini/Minoan explanation to the Atlantis myth is such a great fit.

It fits the right time period, it is geographically near Greece, and it doesn't involve aliens or an independent Island civilization becoming so advanced so far from the major centres of civilization in the bronze age. In short, it doesn't require leaps of faith, and the Minoans and the Island of Thera was a major centre of power about a thousand years before Plato wrote about Atlantis, and Thera was blown to pieces while Minoan crete was flooded by a Tsunami of epic proportions when the volcano blew and the entire civilization eventually declined in a span of a few generations.
 
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viciouskillersquirrel said:
They used to say that about Troy and Knossos, too.
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Yeah, I agree. It's a bit much to just flatly assume it's all made up. Many mythical places have proven to have a basis in fact.

Deku said:
Plato was not a historian. His Atlantis is very clearly an allegory, for an Athenian audience, which at the time of his writing was a superpower and a major seapower. So the parallels to Atlantis was there.

So on that basis, it has never been told as a factual account. But many people believe it was based on a real place.

So when you have a starting point being the allegory of philosopher, you're already on quicksand, and there are no shortage of 'lost cities' or imaginary flatlands on the bottom of the sea which could be called Atlantis.

And 99% of all claims are of that nature. That is why the Thera/Santorini/Minoan explanation to the Atlantis myth is such a great fit.

It fits the right time period, it is geographically near Greece, and it doesn't involve aliens or an independent Island civilization becoming so advanced so far from the major centres of civilization in the bronze age. In short, it doesn't require leaps of faith, and the Minoans and the Island of Thera was a major centre of power about a thousand years before Plato wrote about Atlantis, and Thera was blown to pieces while Minoan crete was flooded by a Tsunami of epic proportions when the volcano blew and the entire civilization eventually declined in a span of a few generations.
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All very true, but if they actually find Atlantis, and it's real, and it's in exactly the place it's supposed to be, that would pretty much blow all that shit out of the water.. right?

Although admittedly, even if they find a city in the right place, it's likely that water damge won't leave much basis for anything indisputable.
 
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AstroLad

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I was thinking there should be a character that's sort of a Bizarro Wii, always believing stories about fantastical places and things coming true. I mean let's face it, Wii is kind of a bummer sometimes so we could use the balance.
 
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Router

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I thought it was pretty much universally known that Plato was never referring to a real place?
 
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there's a relation here. Atlantis is IN the Atlantic!!!!! And aliens came with their rocks from Antarctica and then built a civilization of ufos and shit and then the urf was like "no U" and then the aliens were like "we're gettin off this planet, but not before we experiment on the rest of humanity for like 5000 years."

and so then they made margarine and then butter became extinct.
 
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viciouskillersquirrel

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Router said:
I thought it was pretty much universally known that Plato was never referring to a real place?
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In context, he was using it as an allegory for what his society was going through at the time, but he was also oddly specific about several details, leading some to think that he was using or making allusions to an existing story to make his point.

In the end, who knows? Atlantis might've been based on a real place or it could've just been a fairy story. There are those who think that the legends of King Arthur were based partly on memories of a real warlord named Arturus and the tale grew in the retelling. Maybe the people of Thera or the Minoans were the "real" Altanteans. Maybe it was these ancient Iberians that have just been discovered.

I like the idea that the story was based on a seed of truth and that the discovery of the site of the "real" Atlantis will be a 21st-century equivalent of the discovery of the ruins of Troy or Knossos. If it isn't or if there's no proof that there is won't disappoint me. The fact is that we may have discovered a hitherto unknown civilisation, which is worth getting excited about on its own merits.
 
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big_z

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hopefully it's not too late to dig up and study the atlantean technology before the aliens come back in 2012.
 
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NotWii

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You know NOTHING about ATLANTIS until you have heard Manly P Hall's lectures on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gMTdbILiM

There's many more lectures he did about how Plato got the information, why he wrote about it, how Atlantean culture rubbed off on the world, the similarities in mythology all over the planet, it is fascinating

I fucking love underwater cities and ruins

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvvpcKHn3DQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiQrkkIKMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R4U848Buts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqlYJsbr54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4k8pdJ2so4

What happened 12,000 years ago must've been spectacular to witness
 
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nyong

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It's quite possible that Atlantis really exists. An archaeologist found the location of the previously-thought-to-be-mythical Troy with nothing more than The Odyssey and The Iliad as a reference.
 
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NotWii

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nyong said:
It's quite possible that Atlantis really exists. An archaeologist found the location of the previously-thought-to-be-mythical Troy with nothing more than The Odyssey and The Iliad as a reference.
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Yep and Dwarka
 
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sumo390

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This story has my interest. I hope they do find something eventually, the ocean is so fucking huge it's got to be there somewhere.
 
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big_z

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are these National Geographic specials pretty reliable for legit news or should we expect something like aliens building the pyramids on fox?
 
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Krowley

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big_z said:
are these National Geographic specials pretty reliable for legit news or should we expect something like aliens building the pyramids on fox?
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It's better than that.

It will probably be very entertaining and there will be a lot of speculation, but the core facts presented will be handled in a fairly comprehensive way. I would say that their best stuff is worse than Nova but much better than History channel.
 
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