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[Treefingers]

tell me how those Puma punku megaliths were cut. im not baiting. im not familiar with ancient masonry, but those megaliths seems like it was cut with a fucking diamond tipped saw blades

We don't know ≠ aliens did it.

Do I really have to explain this?

 

[YoungHav]

Atlantis was a black African city.

 

[Raist]

read it
many archeological discoveries that "don't make sense" get pushed aside and simply ignored

cause if they don't ignore them our whole understanding of human history needs a reboot

too many vested interests to keep the status quo going

Smells like the equivalent of "Of pandas and people" but for archeology.

Michael A. Cremo (born July 15, 1948, Schenectady, New York), also known as Drutakarma Dasa, is an American Hindu creationist whose work argues that modern humans have lived on the earth for billions of years.[1] Cremo's antievolutionist book Forbidden Archeology has attracted attention from Hindu creationists and paranormalists,[2] but has been criticized for ignorance of basic archeology[3][4] and has been described as pseudoscience by representatives of the mainstream archaelogical and paleoanthropologist community.[5][6] Cremo has referred to himself as a "Vedic creationist."

Forbidden Archeology has been criticized for failing to test simpler hypotheses before proceeding to propose more complex ones (a violation of Occam's razor) and for cherry picking outdated evidence (often from the 19th and early 20th century) that supports their position while ignoring or ridiculing more recent information that refutes or challenges their claims.[16] Tom Morrow of the National Center for Science Education noted that Cremo's "specimens no longer exist" and called his work pseudoscience.[1]

His book Human Devolution, which like Forbidden Archeology claims that modern man has existed for millions of years, attempts to prove this by citing "every possible research into the paranormal ever conducted anywhere to 'prove' the truth of holist Vedic cosmology which proposes the presence of a spiritual element in all matter (which takes different forms, thereby explaining the theory of 'devolution')."

Thanks, but I think I'll pass.

Well there we gooo.

 

[Vinci]

I watched a marathon of that crazy bastard for three hours and enjoyed it immensely.

 

[HeySeuss]

We don't know ≠ aliens did it.

Do I really have to explain this?

How does asking someone's opinion of how something was done translate into "lolz alienz!"?

Can't you speculate as to how you believe a primitive culture, that had no written language according to archaeologists, create the intricate patterns with the mathematical precision that each piece fits perfectly together like a puzzle?

It's been said by professional stone masons that recreating the cuts would be extremely difficult to do with even todays tools. But these primitive people managed to do it with apparently only copper wire and chisels. No tools have been found but they had to also be using some kind of diamond cutting tools for some of the cuts as well.

It's a cool mystery but just because someone asks how it could have been done doesn't mean they think aliens did it.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

How does asking someone's opinion of how something was done translate into "lolz alienz!"?

Can't you speculate as to how you believe a primitive culture, that had no written language according to archaeologists, create the intricate patterns with the mathematical precision that each piece fits perfectly together like a puzzle?

It's been said by professional stone masons that recreating the cuts would be extremely difficult to do with even todays tools. But these primitive people managed to do it with apparently only copper wire and chisels. No tools have been found but they had to also be using some kind of diamond cutting tools for some of the cuts as well.

It's a cool mystery but just because someone asks how it could have been done doesn't mean they think aliens did it.

I agree with you. I find von Danichens' theories quite interesting but we may never know for sure.

All of this stuff fascinates me. Are people still searching for this stuff still relevant today? What I mean is it seems like things of antiquity, and the studies of pursuing their knowledge are no longer important this day and age. I'm just curious if there's been a decline in researchers/archaeologists on subjects like this. This is the stuff that keeps me interested in history.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

We don't know ≠ aliens did it.

Do I really have to explain this?

who's cock do i have to suck to get a non-alien version of human history?

I watched a marathon of that crazy bastard for three hours and enjoyed it immensely.

high five.
have you also noticed the bigger and foolish his conspiracy theories are, the bigger his hairdo is?

 

[Dwayne]

read it
many archeological discoveries that "don't make sense" get pushed aside and simply ignored

cause if they don't ignore them our whole understanding of human history needs a reboot

too many vested interests to keep the status quo going

Author is a Hare Krishna devotee trying to prove his religious POV.

 

[Treefingers]

It's a cool mystery but just because someone asks how it could have been done doesn't mean they think aliens did it.

Come on now, he was implying it. That's why I replied that way.

You're right though that it is a damn interesting mystery. Personally I have no idea but I'm not much of a history buff. What worries me is that we might never find out. :<

 

[sangreal]

Who knows really, maybe there were real cities like that. Not exactly atlantis but a ton of pre-written historic stuff lost forever after all look at this.

geared machinery dated 100bc, a thousand years before they started using gears. Sited somewhere in greece.

Ton more cool unexplained stuff here.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16871_6-insane-discoveries-that-science-cant-explain.html

The manuscript one is really weird too.

Wikipedia has a page devoted to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact

The only one they consider real is that device though

 

[Gorgon]

I've read that. Good book but like anything else it only means as much as the faith you put in it. I don't think the multiple extinction periods idea is so far fetched nor do I understant why Darwinist have been so appalled by the theory.

What multiple extinction periods are you talking about?

 

[comedy bomb]

high five.
have you also noticed the bigger and foolish his conspiracy theories are, the bigger his hairdo is?

I mentioned this in another thread. Dude has Chris Farley hair lol

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Wikipedia has a page devoted to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact

The only one they consider real is that device though

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4184

 

[LocoMrPollock]

The burning of The Library of Alexandria set us back a few hundred years if not a thousand or more. Such a massive loss of knowledge.

 

[Rapstah]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4184

"Most likely it was built for wealthy Romans who had some interest in its features, probably not too different from early adopters who wanted to have the first iPhone with all the cool apps."

That sentence gave me the most hilarious pictures inside my head. "I had a sky-box before it was cool!"

 

[HeySeuss]

All of this stuff fascinates me. Are people still searching for this stuff still relevant today? What I mean is it seems like things of antiquity, and the studies of pursuing their knowledge are no longer important this day and age. I'm just curious if there's been a decline in researchers/archaeologists on subjects like this. This is the stuff that keeps me interested in history.

I'd like to think they are but the cynic in me says anything that causes somebody to think outside the box or change the status quo of the normal conceptions of what is already believed, gets ignored and never addressed.

To me, the how is just as important as the why. And sometimes the why is as inexplicable. There are many ruins of cultures that defy explanation but nobody seems to care to find out.

There has to be some kind of technology that they had that has been lost by history that we don't yet understand. Could be something incredibly simple that just has been overlooked.

 

[Gorgon]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4184

EXCELENT article on the the Antikythera mechanism.

 

[Sumidor]

Love this kind of stuff. Anytime it's on TV I'll watch it, even though it's usually the same 4-5 shows.

 

[Gorgon]

I agree with you. I find von Danichens' theories quite interesting but we may never know for sure.

All of this stuff fascinates me. Are people still searching for this stuff still relevant today? What I mean is it seems like things of antiquity, and the studies of pursuing their knowledge are no longer important this day and age. I'm just curious if there's been a decline in researchers/archaeologists on subjects like this. This is the stuff that keeps me interested in history.

People have never stoped researching. It's just that you have to look at scientific publications instead of the books of crackpots and pseudocientists (like von Danichen)

Williams, P. R., N. C. Couture and D. Blom, 2007 Urban Structure at Tiwanaku: Geophysical Investigations in the Andean Altiplano. In J. Wiseman and F. El-Baz, eds., pp. 423-441. Remote Sensing in Archaeology. Springer , New York.

Ernenweini, E. G., and M. L. Konns, 2007, Subsurface Imaging in Tiwanaku’s Monumental Core. Technology and Archaeology Workshop. Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collection Washington, D.C.

Vranich, A., 2006, The Construction and Reconstruction of Ritual Space at Tiwanaku, Bolivia: A.D. 500-1000. Journal of Field Archaeology 31(2) :121-136.

Lechtman, H.N., 1998, Architectural cramps at Tiwanaku: copper-arsenic-nickel bronze. In Metallurgica Andina: In Honour of Hans-Gert Bachmann and Robert Maddin, Deutsches, edited by T. Rehren, A. Hauptmann, and J. D. Muhly, pp. 77-92. Bergbau-Museum, Bochum, Germany.

...and I got this just from wikipedia. I'm sure if you're a new world archaeologist working on this field you'll know there's a shit-ton of material publised every year.

 

[soqquatto]

Can't you speculate as to how you believe a primitive culture, that had no written language according to archaeologists, create the intricate patterns with the mathematical precision that each piece fits perfectly together like a puzzle?

just because we're advanced it doesn't mean we know every method used by man to craft shit. we don't know how damascus steel was done. we don't know how encausto was carried out. but these weren't aliens or mystic things, they just were techniques we just lost. you should probably study real history, not bullshit Tv history.

 

[HeySeuss]

just because we're advanced it doesn't mean we know every method used by man to craft shit. we don't know how damascus steel was done. we don't know how encausto was carried out. but these weren't aliens or mystic things, they just were techniques we just lost. you should probably study real history, not bullshit Tv history.

Please point out where I said, or even implied, that I think aliens did it. Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Fuck sakes dude, the last sentence of the post you quoted, the part you had to delete, even said I didn't think aliens did it.

 

[G-Fex]

well nobody will ever explain The Bloop.

Obviously the work of Cthulu

 

[NotWii]

What discoveries?

Crete has been an island for more than five million years, meaning that the toolmakers must have arrived by boat. So this seems to push the history of Mediterranean voyaging back more than 100,000 years, specialists in Stone Age archaeology say. Previous artifact discoveries had shown people reaching Cyprus, a few other Greek islands and possibly Sardinia no earlier than 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.

http://www.palenews.net/2010/02/on-crete-new-evidence-of-very-ancient.html

NYTimes had the article, but they force you to be a member to read it

Wikipedia has a page devoted to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact

The only one they consider real is that device though

What the hell?
The Piri Reis map isn't there?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

Piri Reis said his map is a composite of even more ancient maps of unknown origin
Who knows, maybe in 6000 years time, some future cartographer in a candle lit library will be trying to reconcile printouts from google maps!

Atlantis was a black African city.

I like Manly P Hall's opinion that Atlantean culture (rule of kings) spread into Africa

The burning of The Library of Alexandria set us back a few hundred years if not a thousand or more. Such a massive loss of knowledge.

Yeah, shame, but wait til the Vatican vaults are raided

 

[WillyFive]

That was a good documentary. It was very convincing, even if it ended with just a theory (although a nice one).

 

[krypt0nian]

I don't really care if there is or isn't to be honest, but any reasonable way you can disprove other than "LOL Atlantis is myth noobz derp"?

Why would I have to disprove unicorns? The derp is on the other foot.

 

[leroy hacker]

And then there's things that should not exist like the the Antikythera Device and Ashoka's Pillar

What do you mean by "should not exist"? The device is possibly the most astonishing classical artifact, but it is not clear to me why the machine should not exist. It is well known from ancient writers that Archimedes built similar devices and wrote a now lost text on their design.

geared machinery dated 100bc, a thousand years before they started using gears. Sited somewhere in greece.

Ton more cool unexplained stuff here.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16871_6-insane-discoveries-that-science-cant-explain.html

Gears were used in antiquity, they appear for example in the design of an odometer described by Vitruvius.

And what that article says about the Antikythera mechanism is ridiculous. The article says that because gravity had not been discovered no one could predict the movement of heavenly bodies, a laughably ignorant and idiotic claim disproved by the mere existence of ancient astronomy.

What the hell?
The Piri Reis map isn't there?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

The Piri Reis map does not actually possess the seemingly out of place accuracy frequently attributed to it:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/steven_dutch1.htm

Göbekli Tepe turned everything we know about the ancient world on it's head practically overnight. Stone pillars and carved reliefs 6000 years before stonehenge, a settlement built around it dated 9000BC. Chances are there's civilizations older than ancient sumer.

Finally, some real archaeology in this thread that represents a discovery that truly does change our knowledge of the past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

 

[BeEatNU]

well nobody will ever explain The Bloop.

Obviously the work of Cthulu

FA REAL!

I never forgot, they still don't know wtf that was to this day

 

[Rikyfree]

Fuck this noise. These assholes are gonna wake Cthulu! I'm not going to live in 10,000 years of darkness because some douche wants to find a stupid sunken toilet.

 

[Gorgon]

http://www.palenews.net/2010/02/on-crete-new-evidence-of-very-ancient.html

NYTimes had the article, but they force you to be a member to read it

Nice. Thanks for the link.

Piri Reis said his map is a composite of even more ancient maps of unknown origin

The map is extremely interesting, but there is no need to postulate unknown advanced civilizations or unknown tech per se at the time to come up with the data. It really doesn't prove anything regarding the exploration of Antartica or even that someone went there either.