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[Dogtooth]

Running blatant propaganda where any and all psychological and psychiatric treatment and help is deemed "bad" despite the help that many people could use from it, harassing anyone remotely openly critical of them, encouraging members to isolate themselves and distance loved ones if they raise and concerns or questions about their membership, etc.

There's so much out there, you barely have to do any research to see it. I'm surprised more of their famous members aren't leaving.

The only propaganda comes from Hollywood, the IRS, and psychiatric industry. These people you're saying were harassed are just paranoid. Where's the evidence? Misguided factions such as these just don't want people to taste the power that comes from having true freedom.

You're surprised some of our more famous members aren't leaving. That's because they don't want to give up the one good thing in their lives. Every minute on TV or on a movie set would just be pain and emptiness if they didn't know they were representing LRH and literally saving hundreds of billions of lives in this universe and the next.

 

[Akronis]

The only propaganda comes from Hollywood, the IRS, and psychiatric industry. These people you're saying were harassed are just paranoid. Where's the evidence? Misguided factions such as these just don't want people to taste the power that comes from having true freedom.

You're surprised some of our more famous members aren't leaving. That's because they don't want to give up the one good thing in their lives. Every minute on TV or on a movie set would just be pain and emptiness if they didn't know they were representing LRH and literally saving hundreds of billions of lives in this universe and the next.

Please explain this science man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_(Scientology)

 

[Dogtooth]

I found a picture of that Chairman Miscavige (seriously? Chairman? Hahaha.) guy. Look at this face:

Look at his eyes. There's nothing there. Nothing.

I can play this game too.

oooo spooky.

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[Duderz]

Thanks to Dogtooth, this is now my most watched thread on GAF. Hoo boy.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

The only propaganda comes from Hollywood, the IRS, and psychiatric industry. These people you're saying were harassed are just paranoid. Where's the evidence? Misguided factions such as these just don't want people to taste the power that comes from having true freedom.

You're surprised some of our more famous members aren't leaving. That's because they don't want to give up the one good thing in their lives. Every minute on TV or on a movie set would just be pain and emptiness if they didn't know they were representing LRH and literally saving hundreds of billions of lives in this universe and the next.

Dude come on. That was some DPRK press-release shit right there.

 

[AbsolutBro]

The film insinuated that Scientologists had either a) infiltrated the IRS b)was blackmailing high level IRS or c)both.

No insinuation necessary. How they remained a church instead of being rightly labeled a domestic terrorist group after that, I will never understand.

 

[Dogtooth]

Please explain this science man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_(Scientology)

My uncle was there from 2012 to 2014. This year, he got his doctorate.

 

[Akronis]

My uncle was there from 2012 to 2014. This year, he got his doctorate.

Please elaborate on all the accounts of defectors saying it was more or less a death camp.

Please elaborate on the accounts that "David Miscavige began to publicly slap, kick, punch or shove executives at the base who had angered him"

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

No insinuation necessary. How they remained a church instead of being rightly labeled a domestic terrorist group after that, I will never understand.

They used a tactic favored by the Sovereign Citizens movement: "Paper Terrorism". They overwhelmed every single branch office of the IRS they could find with so many documents and legal bullshit that they had to pass them on to even keep functioning.

 

[WordAssassin]

Lol please enlighten us as to why it's not like other religion.

I'll bite.

I'm a Catholic. Not a very good one but I believe in the basics.

If I want to leave the church for any reason at any time, I'm free to do so. Not so with Scientology.

If I wasn't Catholic and wanted to become one, bam I just became one. Didn't cost me any money. Pretty sure even to be baptized it wouldn't cost me anything. If I wanted I suppose I could make a donation. Not so with Scientology, where the only way to become a Scientologist to literally buy your way in.

As a Catholic I can and do have friends and family of MANY different religions. Not in Scientology, where they either try to convert your friends and family, or cut you off from them completely and punish you severely if you go against it.

If I "anger the church" somehow I won't be locked in a room to literally be eaten to death by rats and roaches.

If I speak out against the church I don't need to worry about the Pope sending out hit men to silence me.

The list goes on. It's one thing to turn your nose up at religions in general but to say there's no difference between Christianity/Catholisism/Judeism/Mormanism/etc and Scientology is either grossly misguided or willfully ignorant.

 

[Enco]

:lol guys Dogtooth is obviously deeply invested.

He'll avoid all negative points or just bullshit his way around it.

He's a lost cause (unless he's a troll). Enjoy scientology bro.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Dogtooth]

Please elaborate on all the accounts of defectors saying it was more or less a death camp.

Please elaborate on the accounts that "David Miscavige began to publicly slap, kick, punch or shove executives at the base who had angered him"

Most were just actors paid by Lawrence Wright. There's nothing linking them to the church.

As for these ridiculous claims about Chairman Miscavige: he's an avid boxer. The chance to spar with the leader of our church is a rare opportunity. The claim that he'd kick or slap in the ring is just bad sportsmanship. That kind of behavior is obviously against the rules.

 

[AbsolutBro]

They used a tactic favored by the Sovereign Citizens movement: "Paper Terrorism". They overwhelmed every single branch office of the IRS they could find with so many documents and legal bullshit that they had to pass them on to even keep functioning.

Uh...

It was the one of the largest infiltrations of the United States government in history, with up to 5,000 covert agents.

This goes beyond "overload with paper work". These were scientologists straight up in the US government (and some foreign embassies). They bugged a government meeting for crying out loud.

 

[Akronis]

Most were just actors paid by Lawrence Wright. There's nothing linking them to the church.

As for these ridiculous claims about Chairman Miscavige: he's an avid boxer. The chance to spar with the leader of our church is a rare opportunity.

All right, wrap it up, this dude is straight up trolling.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Most were just actors paid by Lawrence Wright. There's nothing linking them to the church.

As for these ridiculous claims about Chairman Miscavige: he's an avid boxer. The chance to spar with the leader of our church is a rare opportunity.

The syntax of almost everything you've said reads like a press release. It's pretty clear that everything you've said here was told to you by someone else. But I guess I'm wasting my time. I hate to see people get trapped in cults like this but I think it's too late; whatever human agency you had is clearly gone. That's how these things work; joining the cult is the last decision you ever make.

I'm just glad that most people are too secure to wind up like you. If nothing else, you can a least serve as a warning.

All right, wrap it up, this dude is straight up trolling.

 

[RustyNails]

Let me get this absolutely clear then. A Christian, Muslim, Jew or a Hindu has access to the entirety of Bible, Quran and Bhagavad Gita respectfully. They have complete understanding of the tenets of theology without having to spend a single dime. Not just the religious, but the nonbeliever as well has access to all these books and theology. Anyone can *choose* to get a bachelor's, masters or post doctorate in any of these subjects if they want to by going to any school or seminar.

Scientology keeps the theology of scientology and the stuff about Xenu absolutely hidden, only available to people who pay $10,000+. The more you pay, the more theology you learn, and only through the CoS. There is only one way to be more knowlegeble about thr writings of LRH, and that is to pay CoS trucks of money.

Now, my question. You think these two are comparable?

 

[Turin]

Thanks to Dogtooth, this is now my most watched thread on GAF. Hoo boy.

lol. I'm just sitting back like......

 

[Dogtooth]

Let me get this absolutely clear then. A Christian, Muslim, Jew or a Hindu has access to the entirety of Bible, Quran and Bhagavad Gita respectfully. They have complete understanding of the tenets of theology without having to spend a single dime. Not just the religious, but the nonbeliever as well has access to all these books and theology. Anyone can *choose* to get a bachelor's, masters or post doctorate in any of these subjects if they want to by going to any school or seminar.

Scientology keeps the theology of scientology and the stuff about Xenu absolutely hidden, only available to people who pay $10,000+. The more you pay, the more theology you learn, and only through the CoS. There is only one way to be more knowlegeble about thr writings of LRH, and that is to pay CoS trucks of money.

Now, my question. You think these two are comparable?

You're just obviously wrong about this. Look at the horrible "God Hates Fags" people or ISIS. Do they have "complete understanding" of their theology? Our church is a little different from these faiths because we don't have holy doctrines given to us by GOD.

We have Dianetics, and other writings of LRH, but that's not theology exactly. It's part spiritual, part science, and part therepeutic practice. You can't expect someone to read Dianetics and become a great auditor any more than you can expect someone to be a great engineer by reading the Steve Jobs biography. Sorry, but our practice involves certain specialized skills. Why don't you get mad at climate scientists for the same reason?

 

[Dai101]

Chairman Miscavige welcomes a free exchange of ideas. These reports mischaracterize a very innocent and understandable effort by the church to defend itself against baseless attacks from unhinged individuals.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Citadelofmythoughts]

Man Scientology's tactics remind me very much of another group, something something ethics related.

 

[Akronis]

I use psychiatry, does this mean I can't come back as a magical space ghost?

No, unfortunately you'll be in the same undesirable section with Jesus.

 

[Dogtooth]

I use psychiatry, does this mean I can't come back as a magical space ghost?

I would encourage you to stop risking your life with those people.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Akronis]

Oh well...

It's ok, L. Ron Hubbard was drugged out on LSD most of the time, he wouldn't be nearly as cool as Jesus.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Extra Sauce]

the Xenu BS is actually super secret

Was.

 

[Dogtooth]

Bu. Bu. mah medz!

You don't need them. I promise.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Akronis]

You don't need them. I promise.

Random internet stranger says don't take your meds. Better call your pharmacist and get a refund guys.

 

[RustyNails]

You're just obviously wrong about this. Look at the horrible "God Hates Fags" people or ISIS. Do they have "complete understanding" of their theology? Our church is a little different from these faiths because we don't have holy doctrines given to us by GOD.

We have Dianetics, and other writings of LRH, but that's not theology exactly. It's part spiritual, part science, and part therepeutic practice. You can't expect someone to read Dianetics and become a great auditor any more than you can expect someone to be a great engineer by reading the Steve Jobs biography. Sorry, but our practice involves certain specialized skills. Why don't you get mad at climate scientists for the same reason?

My point is, I can learn about Jesus without having to pay a church $10,000. Thats what I mean by tenets of faith. Why should I pay CoS money to learn about Xenu?

 

[BlastProcessing]

The only propaganda comes from Hollywood, the IRS, and psychiatric industry. These people you're saying were harassed are just paranoid. Where's the evidence? Misguided factions such as these just don't want people to taste the power that comes from having true freedom.

You're surprised some of our more famous members aren't leaving. That's because they don't want to give up the one good thing in their lives. Every minute on TV or on a movie set would just be pain and emptiness if they didn't know they were representing LRH and literally saving hundreds of billions of lives in this universe and the next.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I should probably get around to watching and supporting Going Clear because screw scientology.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

I would encourage you to stop risking your life with those people.

 

[Dai101]

Man Scientology's tactics remind me very much of another group, something something ethics related.

Would not surprise me if both overlap somehow.

You know, you're right. You clearly need them more than I do.

OH SNAP

 

[RM8]

I used to believe there was a GAF defence force for everything but scientology. Well, I was wrong, wasn't I?

 

[Ganhyun]

I used to believe there was a GAF defence force for everything but scientology. Well, I was wrong, wasn't I?

GAF really does have a defense force for everything I guess.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

I used to believe there was a GAF defence force for everything but scientology. Well, I was wrong, wasn't I?

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was told to make an account here for that very reason. That's how they operate.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

I would encourage you to stop risking your life with those people.

Dogtooth, serious question without any sarcasm here. How do you propose that talk-therapy (a type of psychological treatment that many people utilize without drugs or medication) is harmful or detrimental to patients?

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Dogtooth, serious question without any sarcasm here. How do you propose that talk-therapy (a type of psychological treatment that many people utilize without drugs or medication) is harmful or detrimental to patients?

You might have to wait a bit. He needs some time to go look up how to respond.

 

[DedValve]

You guys have no idea what really goes on behind closed doors. I went undercover and the stuff I found was insa

 

[Dogtooth]

My point is, I can learn about Jesus without having to pay a church $10,000. Thats what I mean by tenets of faith. Why should I pay CoS money to learn about Xenu?

I've been in the church for 15 years and I've never heard of "Xenu". I saw it on South Park, and I couldn't believe they'd air such outlandish lies. I guess a big lie is easier to believe as somebody once said.

I just think your point about Jesus is too simplistic. You can read about Jesus in the bible, but surely you would recognize that people who go to seminary have a more specialized understanding. And so often we see these amateur attempts to read holy books go spectacularly wrong. With scientology, it's a gradual process of understanding your own mind. Not interpreting some ancient text that proports to be holy.

 

[Prosopon]

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[wild wild rice]

I used to believe there was a GAF defence force for everything but scientology. Well, I was wrong, wasn't I?

Always attack, never defend.

 

[Prosopon]

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[Monocle]

It amazes me fools can buy into the reptilian over Lord theory....

Still at least I can rely on a bearded vengeful creator who made the world and universe in 7 days I am safe and won't burn in hell.

You can scoff at the 7 days thing if you want, but respected Biblical scholars have totally reconciled this by pointing out that a day by God's reckoning could span eons. I bet you didn't even consult a fanfiction enthusiast theologian before writing that post!

 

[Dai101]

You guys have no idea what really goes on behind closed doors. I went undercover and the stuff I found was insa

Dude, are you OK?? Looks like canddlejack kidna

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

You can scoff at the 7 days thing if you want, but respected Biblical scholars have totally reconciled this by pointing out that a day by God's reckoning could span eons. I bet you didn't even consult a fanfiction enthusiast theologian before writing that post!

Well, religion fanfiction is still better than a fanfiction religion. Scientology has actually made me respect the traditional religions more. At least they help people.

 

[Monocle]

Well, religion fanfiction is still better than a fanfiction religion. Scientology has actually made me respect the traditional religions more. At least they help people.

You just might have a point.

I don't know though, space jets and volcanoes are pretty wicked cool.

Dude, are you OK?? Looks like canddlejack kidna

That lame Candlejack joke will never be amusi