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Sea of Thieves on PS5 reveals Microsoft's Trojan Horse to turn millions of PS5 users into Xbox users
- Thread starter ManaByte
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freefornow
Member
Thats a form factor I like!We are all Xbox
AI redeemed.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sure. But then what really matters is that money right? Which, obviously it is. That's why they're doing it. But then why is it this big important thing that they're supposedly counting PS5 players as Xbox MAU? Why does THAT matter?
Unknown?
Member
/thread Interesting, the OP didn't address this.Incorrect statement. @rodrigolfp is right.
From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
support.xbox.com
Varteras
Member
We are all Xbox
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Walmart+ gives you 2 months of GamePass, and I just got the cloud streaming GP working on my Steam Deck. So for free they got me too!!! Damn MS!!?!?!?!!
BlackTron
Member
I would freak if PS4 retroactively got Halo for all the extra game clients I would suddenly have overnight lol. I mean if it's a Xbox One game it's not out of the question but yeah not holding my breath.
King Dazzar
Member
Incorrect statement. @rodrigolfp is right.
From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
And so the beasty was slain.
fallingdove
Member
Yeah, who cares? MAUs are as soft a leading metric as you can get when you don't have a subscription attached to each of those users. Not to mention, with pay to play MMOs like SOT and ESO, only a subset of those users continue drive revenue to the business. You also have to maintain servers, bundle/discount the core product and subsequent expansions over time. It doesn't quite seem like all of those things, in exchange for an email address, is as meaningful as you think it is.
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polybius80
Member
no, they could be counted as PSN user
polybius80
Member
no, you are playing it on PS5, you are being counted as MAU in MS live services not "playing on xbox"
If I am playing a nes rom on my PC I am not playing on a NES console, if I play mario odyssey in a switch emulator on my steamdeck I am not playing on a nintendo switch
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Alright, I said alright!Engagement is through the fucking roof!
Badlucktroll
Member
As we eagerly await xbox to ride off into the sunset, we must now take this time to reflect and ponder
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Yea let’s pretend all this accounts are paying for Xbox game pass subscriptions and adding revenue to the service… is not the same playing a game logged in a Xbox account or being a paying member of the service… sure increasing MAU is good but that doesn’t directly translates in more revenue for Xbox services or directly contributes to the grow of their ecosystem as this players will still be tied to PlayStation ecosystem… maybe in the future all this hardware will be agnostic and you can use a PlayStation to play game pass in there and vice versa playing PS plus on Xbox hardware… until that occurs this is just business as usual as a third party publisher….
LordOcidax
Member
Ok… But this hurts somebody feelings or something??
Fess
Member
Not in a traditional sense. As I said my thinking is that their focus is to drive people to their own platform, an account based Xbox launcher (service later) available on multiple devices, with content, features and exclusives as usual.
Then they seem to want to use the late releases on Playstation and Switch to boost the MAU and playtime numbers for PR and to increase customer awareness of their platform (and later service).
Aggressive and sneaky move but maybe not quite a trojan horse.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Nah....there is way too much overthinking on this. Microsoft tried to make it work with their own platform, but the writing is on the wall and they need to make money. Period.
As far as Sea of Thieves and the other games are concerned, Microsoft is absolutely a third party publisher. There is nothing sneaky about that.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Funny thing is MS Solitaire pulls like 40million players a month or something insane like that.
Orbital2060
Member
Sounds like the server authentication thing every account has to go through, and it just happens to push achievements to the xbox app. So everybody is more playing on PC, on a platform extension from that.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This is exactly what I said they would do. You will be forced to have an Xbox account to play their big games.
Now everyone is apart of Microsofts MAU and that's all they and shareholders care about.
Once you are signed up, average people who aren't triggered and canceling email subscriptions will be receiving marketing emails about gamepass and xbox.
I think they should bring forza horizon next as that would be greatly appreciated by ps fans I think.
Now everyone is apart of Microsofts MAU and that's all they and shareholders care about.
Once you are signed up, average people who aren't triggered and canceling email subscriptions will be receiving marketing emails about gamepass and xbox.
I think they should bring forza horizon next as that would be greatly appreciated by ps fans I think.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
It doesn't seem like a big deal to me - I think Capcom and other companies do this?
If
DenchDeckard
is right and suddenly anyone who's played SOT, or Fallout or Call Of Duty do start getting promo emails, I suppose Microsoft could see some benefit.
But overall I think this is probably not much of a story.
If
DenchDeckard
is right and suddenly anyone who's played SOT, or Fallout or Call Of Duty do start getting promo emails, I suppose Microsoft could see some benefit.But overall I think this is probably not much of a story.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep. People think this is some creative genius 4D chess masterstroke by Xbox ... it's not.
It is a survival play at best.
They bet on the wrong horses and failed. Almost all of their business strategies (Series S, Game Pass, Zenimax acquisition's impact) have failed. Now they have way too many studios, in-dev products, and employees to feed and manage.
They need money. That's why they are doing this. Nothing more.
Orbital2060
Member
Afaik, everything you do in the game is registered server side, and not localiy. Achievements too, theyre not tied to your local platform. You log in with a Microsoft account, which can see what platform you are playing on. I dont think there is anything nefarious behind it, its just the way the game is built.
You can log in on the SoT website and see what you have on your account. So you can play the game on PS5, and later play the game on Switch and have the exact same content there. Xbox goes through the same process. If WoW came to consoles, it would probably be a similar situation.
Edit if its coming to Switch that is
Sea of Thieves - Sea of Thieves on PlayStation®5 – Your Questions Answered
Everything you need to know about our highly anticipated release on PS5®!
www.seaofthieves.com
You can log in on the SoT website and see what you have on your account. So you can play the game on PS5, and later play the game on Switch and have the exact same content there. Xbox goes through the same process. If WoW came to consoles, it would probably be a similar situation.
Edit if its coming to Switch that is
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SaucyJack
Member
FunkMiller
Member
Incorrect statement. @rodrigolfp is right.
From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
Well, there we go then.
This entire thread was pointless. Manabyte’s trojan horse was actually a dead donkey.
skit_data
Member
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
As if Sony would allow for this, lmao
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Incorrect statement. @rodrigolfp is right.
From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
Don't you need the Microsoft account to then sign into Xbox?
Either way, you are in Microsofts eco system and being logged as an MAU.
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Shifty1897
Member
That's cool and all, but a MAU on PS5 is worth less than one on Xbox. 30% less on the software side, and 100% less on the hardware side. In an industry that is so oversaturated that turning a profit is far from guaranteed, it's surprising that Microsoft wouldn't have any kind of perks for playing first party games on their console over PS5.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
What utter BS. Playing a mutliplatform game doesnt make them Xbox players.
Is this some Microsoft shill BS?
They are NOT and NEVER WILL BE Xbox players. IF MS decides to count these as Xbox players, then fuck em for artificially upping numbers.
They are PS5 players who play a MS game. It doesn't make them Xbox players.
By their logic Im a PS5 player for playing Helldivers on PC, but its a Sony owned game. Yeah sounds crazy but MS thinks so.
Anyone who made this shit up must face the wall and a barrage of dualsense controllers to the head.
GTFO with this shit.
Is this some Microsoft shill BS?
They are NOT and NEVER WILL BE Xbox players. IF MS decides to count these as Xbox players, then fuck em for artificially upping numbers.
They are PS5 players who play a MS game. It doesn't make them Xbox players.
By their logic Im a PS5 player for playing Helldivers on PC, but its a Sony owned game. Yeah sounds crazy but MS thinks so.
Anyone who made this shit up must face the wall and a barrage of dualsense controllers to the head.
GTFO with this shit.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You make it sound like no publisher benefits from having their games on playstation?
TrebleShot
Member
Its smart and I like it.
Loomy
Banned
I guarantee Solitaire has more MAUs than Sea of Thieves.
nemiroff
Gold Member
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Yes?
Herbspiceguy
Member
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Normal third-party publishers don't also have their own platform to support. Third-party publishers do benefit from releasing games on PlayStation. Microsoft does benefit from having their games on PlayStation in some ways, but it also hurts them in other ways (less percentage from sales, a loss in hardware sales, and a loss in the ecosystem as those playing on PlayStation won't be using Game Pass or the Microsoft storefront).
It isn't a 1:1 comparison between Microsoft and, say, CD Projekt Red.
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