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[PlayStaytion]

Because the better a Sony port does on PC or Xbox, the higher chance more ports will come as Sony would want to cash in.

But despite financial success (for all the gamers who love sales and profit charts), there's going to be a portion of gamers who hate it as more walled off games go multiplat.

With this logic, A-tier Sony's games will cease to exist. If Sony no longer aim for A-tier games then they're basically done as we knew it.

 

[skyfinch]

Are any of you shocked? From my sources, Series S was the lead development platform for this game before being ported to PS5. Only when the game was polished to perfection that it was unleashed to eager, and loyal, Xbox fans.

Up next, Gran Turismo 7 Remaster.

 

[Baemono]

Wait, wasn't Zero Dawn already remastered? Unless they're doing a remake.

It was officially a remaster, but closer to a remake

 

[clappedcheeks]

It's great that this is selling well on Xbox but folks really love to downplay the success of this game on ps5. We had everyone running away with the narrative that PC made up 80% of sales, when it was just over 50%. Now it's Xbox outselling ps5 after 6 days. When HD2 was released there was over 100% uptick in sales in the 2nd week, and it wasn't all PC. Now you have pent up demand for this on Xbox so it's going to do great out of the gate. Let's see how things look after a month. News outlets are just using unofficial figures in this way to get some click bait console warring going on.

 

[calico]

Has Alinea been significantly contradicted by an official announcement relating to any of their analysis yet?

Estimating numbers based on other, related data which is available happens all the time. Not as good as actual numbers, but not necessarily without merit or 'a guess' either.

 

[kazuyamishima]

It's great that this is selling well on Xbox but folks really love to downplay the success of this game on ps5. We had everyone running away with the narrative that PC made up 80% of sales, when it was just over 50%. Now it's Xbox outselling ps5 after 6 days. When HD2 was released there was over 100% uptick in sales in the 2nd week, and it wasn't all PC. Now you have pent up demand for this on Xbox so it's going to do great out of the gate. Let's see how things look after a month. News outlets are just using unofficial figures in this way to get some click bait console warring going on.

The game is #9 on the US PSN and has been charting since launch.

As usual, PS sales are being downplayed here.

 

[Scrawnton]

Despite what Microsoft thinks with gamepass and what others think regarding the Xbox ecosystem, people that play there actually buy games.

Xbox would be more successful if they just axed Gamepass.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

As usual, PS sales are being downplayed here.

 

[trikster40]

Helldivers 2 is almost the very definition of "word of mouth" success. So word of mouth x a year and some months = no shit.

 

[adamsapple]

Let him feel persecuted.

 

[Mr Moose]

Alinea

Stopped reading there.

 

[MayauMiao]

That is some voodoo marketing headline.

 

[diffusionx]

this headline is Colt Eastwood approved

 

[willothedog]

Xbox getting 30% of all this revenue for doing nothing, am I doing this right?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

and that is a good thing

Why?

Idk who the source is and if it's reliable but it's perfectly reasonable to believe that a game that was had pretty consistent fanfare and commonly wished for on Xbox to sell well alongside a update with a crossover from a very popular IP.

I wouldn't say there was a ton of hype prior to the original launch until it hit big on Twitch/YouTube. So no low hype vs high hype launch would make sense.

This just comes across as there's no possible way Xbox can do anything right or any game can sell well on the console.

 

[Calverz]

Good third party publisher start for Sony.

 

[Truthtellers]

 

[Moses85]

 

[mckmas8808]

what?
ok...

I kinda don't believe this...

edit: I just remembered... didn't it also sell like 3 to 1 on PC vs PS5? so maybe this shouldn't be that surprising.

In the first few weeks the CEO for Arrowhead said the players were about 50-50 for PC vs PS5. The game sold 12 million copies in 3 months on both PC and PS5. So what does that tell you?

 

[Fabieter]

The doors have opened for The Last of Us: Remastered Xbox Edition

Followed by the last of us part 1 remake Xbox edition.

 

[adamsapple]

Followed by the last of us part 1 remake Xbox edition.

Followed by The Last of Us Part 1: Chronological Edition.

 

[phant0m]

Your joke is true though.

And Helldivers 2 is a B-tier Playstation release.

It's literally their only bright spot this gen along with Astro Bot. Returnal a distant 3rd.

The Spiderman, GoW and HZD sequels were all mid and made 0 impact on the gaming zeitgeist
No one asked for the 2 TLOU remasters

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's literally their only bright spot this gen along with Astro Bot. Returnal a distant 3rd.

The Spiderman, GoW and HZD sequels were all mid and made 0 impact on the gaming zeitgeist
No one asked for the 2 TLOU remasters

In what world are some of you living?

GOW Ragnarok sold 15+M copies.
HFW sold 8.4M by 2023, probably 10+M by now.
Spider-Man 2 sold 10+M and was the fastest selling 1st party game in Playstation history.

Astro Bot sold about ~2.5M copies.

Whether people like or dislike games is a different matter, but some takes are showing how out of touch Gaffers can be.

 

[mckmas8808]

Just to demonstrate how bullshit those numbers are, here's what our Alinea Analytics had to say about MGS Delta:

Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater debuted on August 26 and sold 281 K during the month on PS5. It's now sold 500 K cross-platform units across Steam, Xbox, and PlayStation.

Konami has just announced a milion copies sold. Those guys are selling copium for fanboys.

Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater shipments and digital sales top one million

Total shipments and digital sales for Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater have surpassed one million units worldwide as of August 28, Konami announced.

www.gematsu.com

Oh WOW!!! I was wondering if some company was going to expose these guys. I like that the exist, but to be this wrong isn't good.

In what world are some of you living?

GOW Ragnarok sold 15+M copies.
HFW sold 8.4M by 2023, probably 10+M by now.
Spider-Man 2 sold 10+M and was the fastest selling 1st party game in Playstation history.

Astro Bot sold about ~2.5M copies.

Whether people like or dislike games is a different matter, but some takes are showing how out of touch Gaffers can be.

And Spiderman 2 was in the top 20 games sold in America in the June Circana YEARLY report for 2025!!!!

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Yes, that's not what I was talking about at all.

HD2 might've been a massive hit, it was 'just' a B-tier grade game from the PS catalogue.

Apart from Forza, Xbox output is mediocre at best.
That's what I was referring to, same as when I talk about the lower bar on Xbox.

In what world are some of you living?

GOW Ragnarok sold 15+M copies.
HFW sold 8.4M by 2023, probably 10+M by now.
Spider-Man 2 sold 10+M and was the fastest selling 1st party game in Playstation history.

Astro Bot sold about ~2.5M copies.

Whether people like or dislike games is a different matter, but some takes are showing how out of touch Gaffers can be.

How do you make back to back posts like this??

Its like you forget what you posted just few hours ago.

 

[kevboard]

In the first few weeks the CEO for Arrowhead said the players were about 50-50 for PC vs PS5. The game sold 12 million copies in 3 months on both PC and PS5. So what does that tell you?

the last numbers I saw was 12 million sold, and that at that point it sold twice as many on PC than PS5

 

[Killjoy-NL]

How do you make back to back posts like this??

Its like you forget what you posted just few hours ago.

What are you talking about?

The first post you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with the second, nor do either contradict the other.

 

[phant0m]

In what world are some of you living?

GOW Ragnarok sold 15+M copies.
HFW sold 8.4M by 2023, probably 10+M by now.
Spider-Man 2 sold 10+M and was the fastest selling 1st party game in Playstation history.

Astro Bot sold about ~2.5M copies.

Whether people like or dislike games is a different matter, but some takes are showing how out of touch Gaffers can be.

I was speaking more of their cultural impact rather than sales.

Yes those games sold well, but they've completely faded out of the cultural discussion.

People talk more positively about GoW 2018 than Ragnarok, despite the sequel being "bigger & better"

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I was speaking more of their cultural impact rather than sales.

Yes those games sold well, but they've completely faded out of the cultural discussion.

Define 'cultural impact'.

What does it mean exactly and how do you measure it?

 

[mckmas8808]

the last numbers I saw was 12 million sold, and that at that point it sold twice as many on PC than PS5

The last number we got was 15 million sold.

Helldivers 2 Surpasses 15 Million Players

Arrowhead Game Studios' multiplayer shooter has hit another major milestone, it was revealed at the recent Golden Joystiq Awards.

gamingbolt.com

 

[mckmas8808]

I was speaking more of their cultural impact rather than sales.

Yes those games sold well, but they've completely faded out of the cultural discussion.

People talk more positively about GoW 2018 than Ragnarok, despite the sequel being "bigger & better"

Because Ragnarok was a sequel to GOW2018 and it did more of the same, just bigger. GOW 2018 is where the dev team decided to take the IP into a TOTALLY different direction both story wise and gameplay wise. Literally everything was different. It even had the no edit or cuts direction thing going on, which was new and a first in a video game.

 

[phant0m]

Define 'cultural impact'.

What does it mean exactly and how do you measure it?

It's a bit intangible, somewhat difficult to quantify.

Some of the qualifications I would consider:

1. Is the game still talked about regularly by media, influencers or in discussion forums (eg GAF or reddit)?
2. Are other devs copying design or gameplay elements?
3. 20 years from now, will gamers be clamoring a port/remaster/remake of it? (this is largely speculative of course)
4. If someone says 'hey I'm new to <<platform>>, what're some of the must-play games?

Recent-ish games I would consider to have high cultural impact:

• Baldur's Gate 3
• Elden Ring
• Helldivers 2
• Doom 2016 (Eternal too tbh)
• GTA V
• Destiny 2
• GoW 2018
• Cyberpunk 2077

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Try having more than 1 good game

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's a bit intangible, somewhat difficult to quantify.

Some of the qualifications I would consider:

1. Is the game still talked about regularly by media, influencers or in discussion forums (eg GAF or reddit)?
2. Are other devs copying design or gameplay elements?
3. 20 years from now, will gamers be clamoring a port/remaster/remake of it? (this is largely speculative of course)
4. If someone says 'hey I'm new to <<platform>>, what're some of the must-play games?

Recent-ish games I would consider to have high cultural impact:

• Baldur's Gate 3
• Elden Ring
• Helldivers 2
• Doom 2016 (Eternal too tbh)
• GTA V
• Destiny 2
• GoW 2018
• Cyberpunk 2077

So basically it's just your opinion?

Funny how you don't even mention Astro or Returnal then while talking about recent-ish yet naming GTA V (a PS3 game) and GoW 2018.

Some of the takes on Gaf really make me question if I'm not just having a discussion with some basic AI.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

It's B-tier quality, dude.

At launch it was almost non-stop bitching about the 'mediocre' graphics and limited content, because you did nothing but run like 3 different variants of missions over and over and over and over.

That's why there has been such a big drop-off in player-retention.

That's not a diss, btw.

Yes that's all fine and good, even if the quality part was true (it isn't). Doesn't change the facts. In previous gens, yes, the quality of Sony games would have made something like HD2 a "B tier" game. In this current gen though, the quality and quantity of Sony games makes it an easy S tier release.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's a bit intangible, somewhat difficult to quantify.

Some of the qualifications I would consider:

1. Is the game still talked about regularly by media, influencers or in discussion forums (eg GAF or reddit)?
2. Are other devs copying design or gameplay elements?
3. 20 years from now, will gamers be clamoring a port/remaster/remake of it? (this is largely speculative of course)
4. If someone says 'hey I'm new to <<platform>>, what're some of the must-play games?

Recent-ish games I would consider to have high cultural impact:

• Baldur's Gate 3
• Elden Ring
• Helldivers 2
• Doom 2016 (Eternal too tbh)
• GTA V
• Destiny 2
• GoW 2018
• Cyberpunk 2077

Concord, one of the most influential games of all time.

 

[phant0m]

So basically it's just your opinion?

Funny how you don't even mention Astro or Returnal then while talking about recent-ish yet naming GTA V (a PS3 game) and GoW 2018.

Some of the takes on Gaf really make me question if I'm not just having a discussion with some basic AI.

I wasn't going to re-list every game I already put in the prior post

Concord, one of the most influential games of all time.

I'm assuming you're being deeply sarcastic here, but un-ironically yes. Cultural impact doesn't have to be positive, but the Concord disaster will have significant downstream impact in how major publishers invest in GaaS (or not) and approaches to character design.

10 years from now people will talk about Concord more than HFW.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yes that's all fine and good, even if the quality part was true (it isn't). Doesn't change the facts. In previous gens, yes, the quality of Sony games would have made something like HD2 a "B tier" game. In this current gen though, the quality and quantity of Sony games makes it an easy S tier release.

The only fact that matters is that Helldivers 2 was a B-tier release even Sony and AH didn't expect to pop off.

But we're digressing. My main argument was that Sony's B-tier output is looking even better than Xbox A-tier.

 

[adamsapple]

B-tier

B-tier

B-tier

B-tier

B-tier

B-tier

My guy, we get it already. Take a fuckin' break.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

My guy, we get it already. Take a fuckin' break.

B-tier. A smash hit game that got good reviews and has sold something like 16M copies across PS5/PC. Not even any PS4 sales to muddy the waters. A current gen success. And still played a lot daily.

But now it's on Xbox, it's a b-tier who cares kind of game. LOL

 

[Kacho]

My guy, we get it already. Take a fuckin' break.

 

[mèx]

Someone: posts dodgy data
NeoGAF: incoming 10+ pages thread

Like clockwork.

 

[Kacho]

Someone: posts dodgy data
NeoGAF: incoming 10+ pages thread

Like clockwork.

Threads using Alinea Analytics as a source needs to be banned. Their "data" only exists for console wars. That's their business.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

B-tier. A smash hit game that got good reviews and has sold something like 16M copies across PS5/PC. Not even any PS4 sales to muddy the waters. A current gen success. And still played a lot daily.

But now it's on Xbox, it's a b-tier who cares kind of game. LOL

I've always said the things about HD2 that I'm saying now, has nothing to do with Xbox:

This.

Just look at how Helldivers 2 was criticized for it's mediocre graphics at launch.
People seem to have forgotten all about it due to it's success, but many were complaining about it.

That's the sole reason AAA games have become what they are today.

Maybe it's just something simple as the fact that GOW is a flag-ship system-selling title, whereas Helldivers 2 is a sleeper-hit.

But sure, Helldivers 2 became boring the moment you unlocked everything.

I've said it before, quality/production-value is something different from a game being a hit or flop.

People ought to stop conflating those things, because it takes discussions out of context.

 

[Neofire]

Helldivers 2 Sold More on Xbox Than PlayStation in The First Six Days

Helldivers 2 has sold more copies on Xbox than PlayStation within the same time frame. Here are more details.

insider-gaming.com

Gotta think we'll be seeing more ports from both Xbox and PS.

Anyone reading this and taking it at face value are setting themselves up for disappointment lol. The PS5 version had zero hype all the way up til it's launch.

By no means this means that "Xbox gamers buys games" other titles on Xbox did much better than 900k units in their first week and ended up dropping off. This analyst has failed to give a breakdown of the sales within those 6 days. Is it increasing(like the PS5 version did exponentially) or are the sales slowly down?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The only fact that matters is that Helldivers 2 was a B-tier release even Sony and AH didn't expect to pop off.

But we're digressing. My main argument was that Sony's B-tier output is looking even better than Xbox A-tier.

This gen HD2 is among their biggest and best releases. You're still making the mistake of confusing current gen Sony output with previous generations. Were five years into the gen already, please catch up.

Yes we know what you think of Xbox games. You make almost every post in every thread about it. Sorry that HD2 is on Xbox now and doing well but that doesn't mean you have to downplay the game. That's sad, even for you. Not going to feed the troll anymore itt.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This gen HD2 is among their biggest and best releases.

Changes absolutely nothing about what I said.

Yes we know what you think of Xbox games. You make almost every post in every thread about it. Sorry that HD2 is on Xbox now and doing well but that doesn't mean you have to downplay the game. That's sad, even for you. Not going to feed the troll anymore itt.

Completely irrelevant. At no point did I ever make a big deal out of PS games releasing on different platforms.

 

[BiohazardX95]

This game got very popular some days later after release on ps5, xbox version will never reach the sales of ps. The game is popular today, it should have reached more than 1 million on the first days.

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

Good to hear the Xboys enjoying the game, regardless of sales accuracy. Seems to be a good fit and I'm guessing Sony isn't crying over some extra .

At the very least it makes for a click-magnet of a headline.

Spoiler: Saviours of Gaming?

 

[LordCBH]