Murkowski's election isn't till 2022, she ain't worried. Collins is from Maine and a "moderate darling". If anything her actions here cement her election, she gets goodwill from both parties.
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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no
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Murkowski's election isn't till 2022, she ain't worried. Collins is from Maine and a "moderate darling". If anything her actions here cement her election, she gets goodwill from both parties.
Maiden Voyage
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I live in an R state. My Governor, Senators, and House member all wanted this pass. We've had Christian retirement homes post op-eds about how they will no longer be able to function at capacity if this bill passed. The 2 medical companies that operate in state have come out against it. It still has support here. I have no clue how.
RPGCrazied
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And of course he doesn't want to try and fix the ACA, just see how he can hurt people even more.
What an ass.
Yeah. Didn't one of them have Trump outright threatened to fuck with her state (withhold funding or something) if she voted no? Those are the people who truly stood up for what they believe. McCain only did so cause he has nothing to lose and it very well may be more to save his fellow senators who were in a damned if they did, damned if they didn't situation then voting his conscience.
Granted, I'm glad he did vote no but I'm not sure he really was the biggest hero here.
This post is a good post.
Lightning_Roller
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Huh....surprising. but I'm pretty sure it isn't over yet. At least we can breath easy for now.
BronsonLee
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Murkowski, and he sent some flop to do it
Murkowski responded by holding up hearings and holding back money
balladofwindfishes
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Zombie James
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"Speak"
RPGCrazied
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Going to single out those 3 that voted no. Count on it.
He will attack their state, maybe even attack them. He can't help himself.
Frozenprince
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Is Trump legit so fucking brain dead he doesn't register that he's lying about things he himself said or
BronsonLee
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I WANT THE TWEETER
Saint Gregory
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Their greatest accomplishment is the SC seat that they literally stole. I don't even think that they originally intended to steal it since Clinton looked like a lock back in those days but the deed was done and I'm sure that they know that they'll pay for it dearly down the road.
We are not living in a black and white world.
One can call someone an asshole for doing shitty stuff and praise and thank that same person for doing something right.
If I was about to get murdered by someone and I got saved by a rapist, I would still call him scum for being a rapist but also still thank him for not letting that man murder me.
Maiden Voyage
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BoogieWoogie
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Oh this is going to be gooooooood.
Should I bring popcorn or should I grab my bottle of lorazepam?
RPGCrazied
Member
Will he have children in the audience? He has been speaking to a lot of youth lately.
Abstrusity
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Yeah. History will be kinder to McCain than he really deserves. It's hopeless romance that heaps praise on him now, conveniently forgetting all of the awful things he's said and done.
In his long history in politics, he has also been on the right side of history. He's done the right thing plenty of times. In fact, the worse hatred of him has come primarily from the GOP. Remember when McCain's adoptive daughter was "proof that he was being unfaithful with his wife?" Just so happens that that daughter wasn't white, mind. And when running against Obama, he vociferously defended him multiple times as a man he had disagreements with, but a good, Christian, American man, in the height of the birther fervor. But these are not things that one ought to be lauded for.
This is the baseline of human dignity.
McCain has so much respect from people like myself mainly because he was a war hero and POW, and as the ranking officer, demanded that everyone else be released before he was, if he ever was going to. In the response to torture of body, mind, and soul, he did the right thing, far outpacing what could ever be expected of someone in even better conditions.
At times, the glimmer of him being a good human being shines through cracks in the shit he's been up to. Maybe it's politics that's doing it. Maybe he sincerely holds these conservative beliefs and just doesn't have the wherewithal to understand their ramifications (for what it's worth, I would wager most Republicans today are like this). Most assuredly, his vote to move forward was a warning, and one that Republicans refused to heed. He wanted them ALL to work together, not drop a bill two hours before they voted on it. He blamed both sides for this as cover when he knows damn well it's the GOP's fault, and in so doing, gave the Democrats a way to be the bigger people in their response.
Or maybe he voted no for this, perhaps because his life will soon be over and it provided enough cover for the rest of the GOP to vote yes, to show their constituents that they're really all about healthcare, no really, see?
In the end, I probably prefer not to dig too deeply on this. I will not be eating crow because the long string of abuses has come to a temporary standstill once again. He deserves our respect for what he's done right, but derision for what he's done wrong, and being better at times than the majority of the GOP -- who, I might add, have descended into Christianofascism -- is not enough to earn more than the modicum of respect he's earned in other ways.
In his long history in politics, he has also been on the right side of history. He's done the right thing plenty of times. In fact, the worse hatred of him has come primarily from the GOP. Remember when McCain's adoptive daughter was "proof that he was being unfaithful with his wife?" Just so happens that that daughter wasn't white, mind. And when running against Obama, he vociferously defended him multiple times as a man he had disagreements with, but a good, Christian, American man, in the height of the birther fervor. But these are not things that one ought to be lauded for.
This is the baseline of human dignity.
McCain has so much respect from people like myself mainly because he was a war hero and POW, and as the ranking officer, demanded that everyone else be released before he was, if he ever was going to. In the response to torture of body, mind, and soul, he did the right thing, far outpacing what could ever be expected of someone in even better conditions.
At times, the glimmer of him being a good human being shines through cracks in the shit he's been up to. Maybe it's politics that's doing it. Maybe he sincerely holds these conservative beliefs and just doesn't have the wherewithal to understand their ramifications (for what it's worth, I would wager most Republicans today are like this). Most assuredly, his vote to move forward was a warning, and one that Republicans refused to heed. He wanted them ALL to work together, not drop a bill two hours before they voted on it. He blamed both sides for this as cover when he knows damn well it's the GOP's fault, and in so doing, gave the Democrats a way to be the bigger people in their response.
Or maybe he voted no for this, perhaps because his life will soon be over and it provided enough cover for the rest of the GOP to vote yes, to show their constituents that they're really all about healthcare, no really, see?
In the end, I probably prefer not to dig too deeply on this. I will not be eating crow because the long string of abuses has come to a temporary standstill once again. He deserves our respect for what he's done right, but derision for what he's done wrong, and being better at times than the majority of the GOP -- who, I might add, have descended into Christianofascism -- is not enough to earn more than the modicum of respect he's earned in other ways.
TheCochese
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Justin Bailey
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He's just going to use the time to blame democrats and the republicans that voted against it. He can never take responsibility for a failure so he knows he needs to start the blame game right away to control the narrative.
Maiden Voyage
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Awesome post. I don't agree with everything, but I think you hit the nail on the head with most of it and especially with the bolded.
RPGCrazied
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Its up!
Saint Gregory
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So he still thinks that he can just sit on the sidelines and watch the health care industry burn without taking responsibility for it? Someone tell this guy he's the president please.
OriginofHysteria
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Remember how Obama actually tried selling the ACA while it was being drafted? How he even went as far as to going to a Republican retreat to try to get votes for it? Fucking Trump has done nothing to get this bill to pass and he should be the last person to blame anyone because he didn't want to put the work in.
We are all relieved that McCain did the right thing. Relieved and grateful, but this isn't a fucking game. These decisions should NEVER be about dramatic theatrics or portending to curtail principles for personal vendettas or spite.
Demonizing GAF members for having understandably justifiable fears for their future and the future of their loved ones spiraling into a potential hopeless and dark future dealing was understandable. McCain did the right thing, but have some perspective and its natural the reactions of heightened emotions are at play.
The forum has shown an outcry of support for McCain since the vote, stop with the demand for vindication. The GOP held American lives captive, demonize them, not the victims.
Demonizing GAF members for having understandably justifiable fears for their future and the future of their loved ones spiraling into a potential hopeless and dark future dealing was understandable. McCain did the right thing, but have some perspective and its natural the reactions of heightened emotions are at play.
The forum has shown an outcry of support for McCain since the vote, stop with the demand for vindication. The GOP held American lives captive, demonize them, not the victims.
This right here!
Tal Shiar Agent
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PeskyToaster
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Doesn't it already only take 51? or really 50 because of Pence.
He's so fucking dumb, and yes I realize its redundant saying this over and over.
BoogieWoogie
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Go for it! You can't push your shit with 50 votes but when the Dems take control again, we'll get close to Universal Healthcare.
Saint Gregory
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How would that have helped in this situation?
Senseless 60...
FUCK OFF, trump. You're an idiot.
BobTheFork
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I was very worried about this.
I didn't expect McCain to put out his hand and steal McConnell's soul like that.
I don't forgive the things McCain has done, but that's for another day. If this is what he leaves us with, I can be done with it.
I didn't expect McCain to put out his hand and steal McConnell's soul like that.
I don't forgive the things McCain has done, but that's for another day. If this is what he leaves us with, I can be done with it.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, he is dumb. He only needed 50 for this legislation and couldn't even get that.
TheCochese
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He doesn't realize they only needed 51 last night...Christ this man is stupid.
Dipshit has absolutely no ability to consider the long term impact of actions. Sure, go to a 51 vote majority when it wouldn't have saved them this time, and watch Republican tears next time Democrats have a majority.
Dead Prince
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good morning cock holster.
i await the shit storm.
Do it, Trump. Then when, not if, the Democrats get majority, we're gonna make sure to destroy your legacy and implement our agenda without any resistance.
Dubbedinenglish
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The gulf in leadership should be abundantly clear. When the ACA was near the finish line he was doing town halls, hosting GOP lawmakers, on the speech trail and helping whip votes. He was steering discussion by using the office which gave enough space for Reid/ Pelosi to work and do the maneuvering needed for major legislation. Trump hasn't spend s day selling a single plan outside of a few Tweets saying "get it done." Most of this loss is directly on Trump and the WH.
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