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September Wrasslin |OT| Team WWF vs. The World

Hypothetical: Would Punk vs Bork draw money?

I don't think Lesnar will ever get over the bad booking at the end of his return match and won't ever be worth more than he was in April of this year, but with the right Heyman-fueled storyline do you think they could make Punk a credible enough threat to Lesnar to give them a main PPV slot?
 

Aiii

So not worth it
That's so cool Backflip, lucky dog! The worst part of AJ is she likes the exact same kinda games as I do.

She's fucking killing me with this stuff.
 

Entropia

No One Remembers
Hypothetical: Would Punk vs Bork draw money?

I don't think Lesnar will ever get over the bad booking at the end of his return match and won't ever be worth more than he was in April of this year, but with the right Heyman-fueled storyline do you think they could make Punk a credible enough threat to Lesnar to give them a main PPV slot?

Probably.

Punk is the anti-hero of the WWE right now. Though he's not the face of the company or the top face he's popular over all and Bork obviously has his MMA Followers + Bork Super fan.

Punk also has a Muay Thai background or something, right? I think they'd be able to put on a good series of matches (or one great match I guess with Bork's contract).

Throwing Heyman into the mix would definitely hype up the feud and it SHOULD overshadow anything else going on in the WWE.
 
So if rumors hold true, we're in for Cena/Rock II and Lesnar/HHH II at Wrestlemania. Which leaves two obvious omissions to likely face each other in the third main event, with CM Punk taking on the Undertaker.

Although this seems like it would be a dumb idea (who would buy Punk against Taker, considering Taker has faced two of the top WWE stars of all time in the last 4 years?) I did think of an idea for it. Basically, throughout the build for the PPV, CM Punk can drop pipe bombs about the Undertaker, basically breaking the thing that Vince considers most holy - his mystique. Bring up the American Badass Days, his OOC appearances in UFC, his marriage to Michelle McCool, essentially show that Undertaker is just a man, not a supernatural undead zombie, just a man who can feel pain like anyone else.

Of course, Punk will get destroyed at Mania and Taker will go 21-0, but Punk can at least give the match an entertaining build and create SOME semblance of doubt Taker that will win.
 

tm24

Member
Im in the WrassleGaf Obersver right up! Career highlight! Should have more lucha on my channel this week. Gonna try and find mini matches!
 

Kaladin

Member
So if rumors hold true, we're in for Cena/Rock II and Lesnar/HHH II at Wrestlemania. Which leaves two obvious omissions to likely face each other in the third main event, with CM Punk taking on the Undertaker.

Although this seems like it would be a dumb idea (who would buy Punk against Taker, considering Taker has faced two of the top WWE stars of all time in the last 4 years?) I did think of an idea for it. Basically, throughout the build for the PPV, CM Punk can drop pipe bombs about the Undertaker, basically breaking the thing that Vince considers most holy - his mystique. Bring up the American Badass Days, his OOC appearances in UFC, his marriage to Michelle McCool, essentially show that Undertaker is just a man, not a supernatural undead zombie, just a man who can feel pain like anyone else.

Of course, Punk will get destroyed at Mania and Taker will go 21-0, but Punk can at least give the match an entertaining build and create SOME semblance of doubt Taker that will win.

I may be proven wrong, but I think Taker sits out this Mania as a wrestler, he may be a special referee for Lesnar/HHH.

My fantasy booking has us seeing Bryan vs Punk in an Iron Man match (guaranteed to go longer than 18 seconds, even if the first fall lasts that long).
 

tm24

Member
News on the WWE channel from PWI

The Los Angeles Times has a story today updating the status of the WWE Network.

They stated that initially the company had hoped that they could get on a basic tier and get paid a carriage fee of 20 cents per subscriber per month. Obviously, if you are talking about 100 million cable households that would be $20 million dollars a month, who wouldn't want that?

Anyway, that kind of money was not forthcoming so according to the articleWWE is now looking at presenting a premium channel (think HBO) that cost in the neighborhood of $10 to $15 a month. They feel if they put enough PPV events on there it will make the network a success. Given that WWE only gets 40% of the gross on PPV buys they feel it could be a good trade off (and they may be right) for many PPV buyers (and current non-buyers).

They would still need to get cable and satellite companies to carry the channel, which could be a challenge since the Network would cost those companies their 50% cut of the PPVs (and in DirecTV's case 60%).

WWE would not comment on the story.
 

Entropia

No One Remembers
I may be proven wrong, but I think Taker sits out this Mania as a wrestler, he may be a special referee for Lesnar/HHH.

My fantasy booking has us seeing Bryan vs Punk in an Iron Man match (guaranteed to go longer than 18 seconds, even if the first fall lasts that long).

Sorry, but I think you mean Bryan vs. Punk vs. Ambrose, Ambrose coming in as the champion.
 
Chyna goes on Twitter rant on Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, and Vince McMahon:

If you didn’t know, Triple H & I were engaged during the time of the Mcmahon/Helmsley Takeover on Raw.

About 6 months into that storyline, Paul would come home and start arguments with me for no reason and leave out for a few days.

After he left one day, he left the Haliburton brief case that I gave him in the house. Now, I’m not one to be snooping but something just Didn’t feel right.

I opened it up and found a love letter that Stephaniewrote to him a year earlier saying that she was in love with him.

I called Vince up and told him what I found out. He just replied that the jig was up.

The next day I went to the Raw show where there was a Bunch of wrestlers talking as I walked in the backstage. They started parting the way and turning their backs to me.

Not even asking why I was crying. The same wrestlers that I had trained and performed with day in and day out. I was lead into Vince office where he was there With Stephanie.

She basically said that Paul was his and I just had to deal with it. I said that she was lucky her father was there or I Would of ripped her face off.

Vince said to go home and take some time off and then we will deal with it. I was near the end of my contract So basically, he never resigned me.

He choose his daughters happiness over his talent and maybe he should have. But this was business.

Even if he didn’t want me on the show anymore because of the two of them , I couldn’t of been a trainer of up and coming talent?

I couldn’t of done something else within WWE where I never would of had to run into or deal with Stephanie. Then to blackball me in other Ventures was inexcusable.

Didn’t you know that it was me, not Kristen Loken, that was suppose to be the female Terminator in Terminator 3?

But Vince threw his weight around and basically told everyone that if you want access to the wrestlers then they couldn’t desal with me.\

Since that time, I have never heard anything from Paul. Not even just to see how I was doing. Nothing. I will admit that for a long time I was bitter.

But lets not forget, I was stilla woman that was cheated on. Wrestling has nothing to do with that fact.

And over the course of those 12 years , I have asked many time to copme back not for me, but so that I could give a proper goodbye to

My fansbecause they deserve nothing less than that. But he has always said No.

I did hear this rumor that he was going to put me into The WWE Hall of Fame but that was before I did the brief appearance on TNA.

So the idea of me doing porn is the reason why I can’t come back because likeI said, porn was 12 yrs down the line.

And, me doing porn only affects me. It was my choice to do it. Other wrestlers have done far worse and Vince welcomes them back With open arms and a friendly smile.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Hypothetical: Would Punk vs Bork draw money?

I don't think Lesnar will ever get over the bad booking at the end of his return match and won't ever be worth more than he was in April of this year, but with the right Heyman-fueled storyline do you think they could make Punk a credible enough threat to Lesnar to give them a main PPV slot?

It might draw some money, but it could be the total disintegration of Lesnar's character if he's not put over in something like that.

There's absolutely nothing you can do or say (or they could) to make Punk look like a credible threat to Lesnar. Not even on the same planet.
 
It might draw some money, but it could be the total disintegration of Lesnar's character if he's not put over in something like that.

There's absolutely nothing you can do or say (or they could) to make Punk look like a credible threat to Lesnar. Not even on the same planet.

Spoken like a true Batista.

Chyna goes on Twitter rant on Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, and Vince McMahon:

Gonna have to call bullshit on her saying she was supposed to be in T3. Maybe they offered her a screen test but I can't see her seriously being cast in a major Hollywood movie.
 
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Spoken like a true Batista.

It's true though! I like Punk well enough but he wouldn't look credible. He really wouldn't. I mean, I hate to sound like Vince McMahon (GODDAMMIT) but I cannot picture Punk beating up anyone on the level of Lesnar. I just can't.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
It's true though! I like Punk well enough but he wouldn't look credible. He really wouldn't. I mean, I hate to sound like Vince McMahon (GODDAMMIT) but I cannot picture Punk beating up anyone on the level of Lesnar. I just can't.
Yeah, no one would buy it. It's why I think a guy like Rey beating Big Show or Kane is ridiculous.
 
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Yeah, no one would buy it. It's why I think a guy like Rey beating Big Show or Kane is ridiculous.

Even there, Rey and the larger opponent could work a match that'd play to his strengths and if they implemented some real in-ring intelligence and worked a body part over and more, I'd have an easier time of it. But to me, Punk vs Lesnar would be like a man standing in front of a steamroller.

To be fair, there's very few people who I could see as any credible threat to Lesnar, despite him doing the job to Cena. He's a larger than life figure, and it shows that his character didn't 100% crumble after jobbing to Cena.
 
It's true though! I like Punk well enough but he wouldn't look credible. He really wouldn't. I mean, I hate to sound like Vince McMahon (GODDAMMIT) but I cannot picture Punk beating up anyone on the level of Lesnar. I just can't.

I don't see anyone having the credibility to beat Lesnar in the WWE. I loved the Extreme Rules because Cena just looked entirely out of his league through 3/4 of it. Having said that, I think Punk could be made to look as credible as anyone else in a match with Lesnar with creative booking.

At this point, Punk's kicks are pretty over as power moves and Lesnar has a well documented (and now in-canon) stomach issues. If you let Punk play up using pure strikes and submissions while rope-a-doping Lesnar's power offense could be a compelling match.
 
Gonna have to call bullshit on her saying she was supposed to be in T3. Maybe they offered her a screen test but I can't see her seriously being cast in a major Hollywood movie.

There definitely was talk around that time of her being the female in T3. Not sure how serious it was though.
 
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I don't see anyone having the credibility to beat Lesnar in the WWE. I loved the Extreme Rules because Cena just looked entirely out of his league through 3/4 of it. Having said that, I think Punk could be made to look as credible as anyone else in a match with Lesnar with creative booking.

At this point, Punk's kicks are pretty over as power moves and Lesnar has a well documented (and now in-canon) stomach issues. If you let Punk play up using pure strikes and submissions while rope-a-doping Lesnar's power offense could be a compelling match.

You're right. Punk would have to be fighting a battle of wits of some sort - outsmarting Lesnar at every turn and working with his brain to feel credible. Even with what you said it's a hell of an uphill battle, but I think with a lot of time, they could do it. You've changed my mind!

Now, do I think the WWE could do it right? Hellll naw... but it's fun to speculate.
 

Kaladin

Member
To be fair, there's very few people who I could see as any credible threat to Lesnar, despite him doing the job to Cena. He's a larger than life figure, and it shows that his character didn't 100% crumble after jobbing to Cena.

I think that speaks more to the fact that WWE is lacking larger than life figures in their current roster.
 
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I think that speaks more to the fact that WWE is lacking larger than life figures in their current roster.

I'll agree with that as well.

On one hand, maybe it's just people need to grow then leave, do things, then come back to get that kind of presence. It's tough to say.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
Even there, Rey and the larger opponent could work a match that'd play to his strengths and if they implemented some real in-ring intelligence and worked a body part over and more, I'd have an easier time of it. But to me, Punk vs Lesnar would be like a man standing in front of a steamroller.

To be fair, there's very few people who I could see as any credible threat to Lesnar, despite him doing the job to Cena. He's a larger than life figure, and it shows that his character didn't 100% crumble after jobbing to Cena.
No, there's no real ring strategy that could make Rey look credible against Kane/Big Show. What's worse is that they don't even try to change Rey's style up against those guys. I'm just supposed to believe now that Kane & Big Show have become fumbling stumbling giants who constantly trip over themselves, and that a weak ass looking 619 can beat them.
 
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No, there's no real ring strategy that could make Rey look credible against Kane/Big Show. What's worse is that they don't even try to change Rey's style up against those guys. I'm just supposed to believe now that Kane & Big Show have become fumbling stumbling giants who constantly trip over themselves, and that a weak ass looking 619 can beat them.

I can't argue that, but I'm saying it's possible! It's possible, just don't end it with a 619!
 
I would complain.. but really I already pay them 8 bucks a month for Classics on Demand.. so if they provided that with a lot more content for 10 bucks.. I'll be their sheep.
How come you don't post in the Toonami thread Penguin?

I miss our animation discussions...
 

Cagey

Banned
No, there's no real ring strategy that could make Rey look credible against Kane/Big Show. What's worse is that they don't even try to change Rey's style up against those guys. I'm just supposed to believe now that Kane & Big Show have become fumbling stumbling giants who constantly trip over themselves, and that a weak ass looking 619 can beat them.

Kane, Big Show, and Mark Henry are wrestling big men. It's comic book stuff. You suspend belief decently enough because you're clearly watching a wrestling match, where shit happens that doesn't happen in reality. It's still stupid, mind you, but you don't sit there realizing the absurdity at every moment.

Brock Lesnar, based on his demeanor + look + wrestling=> UFC background, has the feel he'll literally kill anyone he's in the ring with... for sport.

You can't overcome that now.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
I can't argue that, but I'm saying it's possible! It's possible, just don't end it with a 619!
It's possible but it's silly to let it happen so often. Back in the old days, no one beat Andre (back in his prime) or barely even looked strong against him. Happy Humphrey, Haystacks Calhoun, these guys were booked differently from everyone else. It's funny, there was always an emphasis on Vince that he likes big guys, but the WWE really doesn't have too many left, if you think about it. Those guys are going into other sports or MMA. A guy like Kane isn't as big as Humphrey, but he certainly shouldn't be looking weak against small guys.

It's what bugs me about Punk, to a certain extent. He doesn't seem to care about working out. I'm certainly not saying you need to be jacked or anything, and certainly don't use steroids, but at least try just a bit. Otherwise, it just looks silly when he's beating up on a guy like Cena, or Show, or even Lesnar. Or at least book him in a way that's credible. It may not have mattered when I was a kid, and I really thought Kane & Taker had powers or whatever, or somehow Rock spitting on his hand made it hurt more, but it sort of matters now. Especially with MMA looking so credible.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
Kane, Big Show, and Mark Henry are wrestling big men. It's comic book stuff. You suspend belief decently enough because you're clearly watching a wrestling match, where shit happens that doesn't happen in reality. It's still stupid, mind you, but you don't sit there realizing the absurdity at every moment.
I'm not saying Rey can't beat Show or Kane SOMEHOW, but he's beaten them clean in the past. That's just ridiculous. Comic book or not.
 

Cagey

Banned
I'm not saying Rey can't beat Show or Kane SOMEHOW, but he's beaten them clean in the past. That's just ridiculous. Comic book or not.

Oh I agree with that. I was referencing the Punk/Lesnar argument, and how the precedent with Rey beating giants doesn't fully apply to the situation.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
So this lady at work is real close with the Hebners and Mickie James by default. By real close I mean they don't even know when TNA is on but they talk a lot. Dave Hebner runs a drywall company. This could be the start of my new career: "A Source"
 
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Deleted member 47027

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So this lady at work is real close with the Hebners and Mickie James by default. By real close I mean they don't even know when TNA is on but they talk a lot. Dave Hebner runs a drywall company. This could be the start of my new career: "A Source"

Gaf Observer is listening. I hear they have a camera in Heavy's toilet.
 

C.Dark.DN

Banned
No, there's no real ring strategy that could make Rey look credible against Kane/Big Show. What's worse is that they don't even try to change Rey's style up against those guys. I'm just supposed to believe now that Kane & Big Show have become fumbling stumbling giants who constantly trip over themselves, and that a weak ass looking 619 can beat them.

You're so wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv3i8xnRbY&feature=player_detailpage#t=292s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGFP-liTuHI&feature=player_detailpage#t=164s
 
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