SFV is exclusive to PS4/PC, But what about SSFV or USFV?
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Yea, I'd imagine they'd clearly state something like Street Fighter V: <insert subtitle> wouldn't be allowed. I was just a little thrown off by your statement of "without the base the derivation could not be possible". That's the case for far than Super style releases. Like Street Fighter to Street Fighter Alpha 2 for example. I doubt you could really form a contract that completely safeguards you from getting "Sigma'd" without essentially taking the other party's IP entirely. I guess you could simply say "no other Street Fighter games period for X years".
Really I think relations and potential future deals serve as more of a deterrent than anything else. Making a few Special Championship Editions probably isn't wise if you think you may want to make similar deals in the future.
Oh really?
Primethius
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Not really sure why Capcom would skirt contractual boundaries just to put the game on another console that's not even the market leader in one country.
Pathfinder
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Why should game companies only concentrate on the market leader? That seems a little short-sighted to me.
If they see value in porting the game to the 2nd place console in order to gain more fans and more players, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't, if they can.
Primethius
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Yea, but think this one through. Sony seems to be helping fund SFV to some degree. Capcom gets to do PC/PS4 and Arcades.
Why would Capcom risk skirting contractual boundaries and potentially their relationship with Sony just so they can put out the game on a platform that's only seeing success in two regions and that is number 1 in neither?
Doesn't seem very smart to me.
Pathfinder
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Because Capcom doesn't just have a relationship with Sony.
If there's some sort of loophole in their contract with Sony allows them to release Super/Ultra/Whatever SF5 for Xbox One sometime in the future, I don't see why they shouldn't do it.
Infernostew
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loaf of bread
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Welp there it is. /thread.
HORRORSHØW
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nice tag kyoufu
gundamkyoukai
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It's a matter of ROI plus cross platform play seem to be a big deal .
FFXIV is not on X1 and that is one of the main reason .
Primethius
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Because ports cost money. Because the relationship between Capcom and Sony is probably more beneficial to both those companies involved, especially given the sheer dominance of the PS4 over the XB1, then is the relationship between Capcom and MS. And because there are several Capcom titles that are PS4/PC only and that aren't coming out on XB1.
Just because a loophole exists doesn't mean that the benefits outweigh the potential negatives.
Edit: Ah, Kyoufu got verified.
Pathfinder
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I would be very surprised if Microsoft doesn't start allowing cross-platform play when Windows 10 hits and Xbox One OS is updated. They seem to be headed in a more "open" direction.
BuffetChamp
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Then its good Capcom doesn't have you as their decision maker.
By the time another form of SF5 comes out there will be even more X1s out in America. Many more. There is no way a company can ignore those numbers by then. Who cares if Sony is number one,when the 2nd place console will have good numbers also. Thats all Capcom will see when the time comes to make a decision.
I would tbh. They're already fine with PC/Xbox crossplay, it's crossplay with competitor's consoles that they don't like, and I don't see how Windows 10 really changes that.
Primethius
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Ah, I guess we'll see.
I think they'll continue to ignore those numbers. Just like quite a few developers are doing actually.
Wrong. Kagiri has already posted that Square offered XIV with servers for only PC/XB players, and MS still refused.
No idea *why* they'd be so obstinate, but, there you have it.
Chobel
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Cow Goes Moo
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Head.spawn
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They mentioned Fable was going to have cross-platform play. But it's MS; they already know it's a good idea and that people want it... if they ever do it full scale it'll be in a late reactionary way I'd bet.
Rising_Hei
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I can't help but think that such a thing is only happening because the game is not being released on Xbox
And yes, MS is sometimes open with PC-XBOX cross play (barely, their big titles never have it), but they are so against it when there's other console involved.
Hmm.. that's pretty interesting then. The only thing I can of regarding that, is that it would only be separate servers. The same PC client would be able to connect to both Playstation and Xbox users, and even worse their populations would be directly contrastable for that player. It could actually look pretty bad if it happened. I was more thinking a scenario more akin to if there was no Playstation version of FFXIV.
That being said, all the recent (so not stuff like Shadowrun) crossplatform stuff on MS' end seem to not really be truly crossplatform at all. Whether it's Fable Legends, or World Series of Poker, or even stuff like Wordament.. they're all really just Xbox games regardless of platform. Which in that case Windows 10 still doesn't seem like it'd help.
This was mentioned by Yoshi P in multiple interviews way back around the time that 2.2 dropped, back at that time MS hadn't started talking about PC/X1 crossplay yet (they might not have even had any plans for it at that point).
I just think it's dumb. I don't take pleasure in friends who have the XB1 not being able to play XIV. I think it'd be great to have linked server access, for all three platforms. Joined status would be awesome. I mean, it'd be even more complex for organizing larger scale party chat (Always amusing with the PS4/PC players trying to communicate beyond text chat, alas) but that'd be on Square to figure out. At this point, they're not even being given the option, and I feel like MS is cutting their nose off to spite their face.
They'll probably call it something else and have it come to Xbox One, at least in the US. Makes no sense, since SFIV had sold better on Xbox 360 in NA even with the worse dpad for fighting.
This is Capcom after all, RE4, Viewtiful Joe were also supposed to be Gamecube only exclusive. And EA circumvented Xbox 360 exclusivity for Mass Effect by making a new game called Mass Effect Trilogy with ME1 as part of it etc.
If the sales are there, Capcom will want them. This holiday will be interesting to see where Xbox One is. It's biggest IP launches either Halo 5. Let's see how much they move.
This is Capcom after all, RE4, Viewtiful Joe were also supposed to be Gamecube only exclusive. And EA circumvented Xbox 360 exclusivity for Mass Effect by making a new game called Mass Effect Trilogy with ME1 as part of it etc.
If the sales are there, Capcom will want them. This holiday will be interesting to see where Xbox One is. It's biggest IP launches either Halo 5. Let's see how much they move.
To be honest, I can kinda see their POV in regards to having standardised functionality throughout their system in regards to chat, parties etc, and not wanting specific titles to suddenly not behave as expected in those regards. The consequences of it does kinda suck, but it's something I can somewhat understand, from a quality-of-service standpoint. It's not the same sort of thing as the indie parity insanity, lol.
Also, I just realised that Shadowrun (and Lost Planet etc) were Games for Windows anyway.. so same thing. Outside of Final Fantasy XI, I can't think of a single non-Xbox ecosystem game allowed to be played across platform, either in the past, or today.
Mass Effect is available standalone on PS3 though, so the naming doesn't seem very important in that situation.
APZonerunner
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It was released stand-alone via PSN at a budget price, yes.
Deals were done behind the scenes to make it happen, and at least part of it was I believe to do with how Xbox was used in the marketing for ME3 and the exclusive (Kinect) features added to that game. Basically, EA gave MS something they wanted in exchange.
I'm sure Capcom could break out of whatever deal they've made with Sony for a second edition of SF5 if they wanted to, but it'll be a matter of value proposition, what it'd cost, and how worthwhile it is. The way the console sales break down right now, one ponders if it'd be worthwhile any time soon. Sony's seemingly deep involvement in sponsoring the competitive scene is a big deal as well, as Capcom is eager to chase that eSports train. A secondary hurdle remains MS' standoffish attitude to cross-platform play.
Ordinarilly I would say capcom gonna capcom it up and release 5 revisions for the game but I think the contract they've got set up with sony likely means SFV will be treated like Killer Instinct on Xbox.
It's coming out retail/digital at first and may well get an annual retail update but it will remain exclusive to PS4 and PC for it's entire life.
My guess is sometime next spring we will see a bare bones Street Fighter 5 come out , it will have a story mode (more like mortal kombats) a traditional arcade ladder mode , versus, online and come with 8-10 stages and 16 characters. Over the course of the 12 months following release , we will probably have a season of DLC consisting of costumes, colors, maybe a new stage or 2 and obviously a few extra characters. Should that end up with a retail release - SFV + season 1 , capcom could opt to call it Super Street Fighter 5 but that game and any future release are still remaining on PS4 / PC. The name would merely be for marketing purposes.
Mike Ross isn't an age BTW , Mike Ross simply IS.
It's coming out retail/digital at first and may well get an annual retail update but it will remain exclusive to PS4 and PC for it's entire life.
My guess is sometime next spring we will see a bare bones Street Fighter 5 come out , it will have a story mode (more like mortal kombats) a traditional arcade ladder mode , versus, online and come with 8-10 stages and 16 characters. Over the course of the 12 months following release , we will probably have a season of DLC consisting of costumes, colors, maybe a new stage or 2 and obviously a few extra characters. Should that end up with a retail release - SFV + season 1 , capcom could opt to call it Super Street Fighter 5 but that game and any future release are still remaining on PS4 / PC. The name would merely be for marketing purposes.
Mike Ross isn't an age BTW , Mike Ross simply IS.
The cross-platform stuff really doesn't seem to mean much (Sony publishing it is a much bigger factor). Phantasy Star Universe was cross-platform between PS2 and PC, and that only meant that the Xbox 360 version was its own separate thing. Same with Portal 2 iirc.
Is it? I do remember hearing it was a digital only release, but I'm not certain. I know for a fact physically, PS3 buyers can only play it on a disc with the trilogy edition retail release.
Yea, think it's digital only. Would that really make any difference though?
Do you actually think this is true? Have you been in basically any thread regarding Killer Instinct?
Anyway in my case, the problem isn't being able to play it (I have a PS4), it's not being able to play it with the people I played Street Fighter IV with. I'd have to convince them all to buy PS4's too.
And Capcom isn't going to split the fighting game base, Ono said that himself.
But your right too
Pathfinder
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Are you sure about that? That's a very bold claim to make.
It's always been split though, for every incarnation of Street Fighter to ever exist. Even at a time when there's a single home version of the game (let's say SF3 New Generation or 2nd Impact) there's still the split between console and arcade. It never really matters as the core community will always compete offline, and so only really need to worry about obtaining a stick that works in the console-of-the-day.
Maybe SFV will change that, and a unified online playerbase will become super important... but for a game primarily played 1v1, I just don't see it being a serious concern.
EDIT: Also Ono talks a lot of shit... I wouldn't take anything he says seriously (only five people in the world guessed Decapre...)
There's not even an arcade base because of the deal, i'd think that was another headache off their minds. I wonder if that'll happen
Wait... they're seriously not gonna put Street Fighter V in the arcades?... like... really?
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Head.spawn
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If exclusivity wasn't part of their paid agreement, then it's weird that they announced that it will never reach any other console. It'd be swell if someone could fill in the blanks on that, but that's probably not likely to happen.
At this point I wouldn't even mind a mobile version (as long as it's like SF4 on iOS and not like Injustice/MKX) if we can't have a proper handheld version
I miss the days when fighting games made sense on handhelds... which wasn't that long ago, lol, 3DS/Vita got some fighters.