Shawn Layden: “Nintendo can charge whatever it wants for new first-party Switch 2 titles. In the end, people will buy them anyway.”

SweetTooth said:
Its because their fanbase cultism and .... condition
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Got kids? When it's one of your weekend funs with the kids together, there is no price for that. I got the Mario Kart bundle preordered and did that without blinking.

For any other console or PC, I never buy anything full priced. I'd rather wait for 2 years to get the game -75% and fully patched.

For Nintendo games that I play with the kids, I just accept the cost and buy.
 
manzo said:
Got kids? When it's one of your weekend funs with the kids together, there is no price for that. I got the Mario Kart bundle preordered and did that without blinking.

For any other console or PC, I never buy anything full priced. I'd rather wait for 2 years to get the game -75% and fully patched.

For Nintendo games that I play with the kids, I just accept the cost and buy.
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Nintendo is definitely the No. 1 go to for couch play with friends, kids and families. Unless that place hasn't been taken from other platforms, The switch will still sell. Imagine if halo infinite support couch play, that could literally bring kids into the system.
 
GymWolf said:
He is probably right unfortunately but i would laugh my ass off if parents around the world decide that nintendo price point is now too high and that little timmy can continue to play with switch 1.
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PlayStaytion said:
Imagine if halo infinite support couch play, that could literally bring kids into the system.
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That's funny, tell another one.
manzo said:
For any other console or PC, I never buy anything full priced. I'd rather wait for 2 years to get the game -75% and fully patched.
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You brought up another great point. Nintendo games almost never get day pne patches. Almost. And the version you are playing is ready to go. TotK was perfect launch day.
 
manzo said:
Got kids? When it's one of your weekend funs with the kids together, there is no price for that. I got the Mario Kart bundle preordered and did that without blinking.

For any other console or PC, I never buy anything full priced. I'd rather wait for 2 years to get the game -75% and fully patched.

For Nintendo games that I play with the kids, I just accept the cost and buy.
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Exactly this, my son and his friend are already hyped for the new Mario kart since i told him i preordered.
He also got an meta quest 3 last month for his birthday so it's not like NS2 is unaffordable
 
It has the games I want to play and I have the money to buy it…..I have no reason not to.

Your money your choice….if you think it cost too much for you then don't buy it, it's that simple.
 
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The WiiU generation showed how many "hardcore fans" there really are.
The rest are opportunists like all other customers, and you can lose those fast if you make them angry.
 
Mibu no ookami said:
I think the Switch was perfectly priced that it made sense as a birthday/christmas/elementary school/middle school graduation present. The games were cheap enough that it made sense to buy these for birthday and Christmas.

The movie Train to Busan makes a joke that the dad buys his daughter a switch for her birthday, but bought her one for her birthday the year before and forgot.

If you had two or three kids, you could easily buy each one of them a switch.

If you were doing a company raffle, you could easily have a Switch as a prize, maybe even two.

I think a lot of that goes away here. If someone has to think twice about buying one on a whim, I think you lose a lot of sales as a result.
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Yup!

The number of people who will have multiple Switch's in their home is gonna drop significantly for Switch 2. $450 is not an acceptable price for that. Switch Lite @ $200 is something that appears unreachable now for Switch 2.

Switch 2 is not in impulse territory, especially not with $70 and $80 games. The way they are going, it feels like 3DS/Wii U all over again. Charging too much, lack of a significant line-up, no unique hook, coupled with decent 3rd party support.
 
ADiTAR said:
That's funny, tell another one.


You brought up another great point. Nintendo games almost never get day pne patches. Almost. And the version you are playing is ready to go. TotK was perfect launch day.
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Unstable 30 fps that gets progressively worse the more allies you unlock and bring with you (or everytime you used certain ablities) is hardly what i would call perfect.
 
GymWolf said:
Unstable 30 fps that gets progressively worse the more allies you unlock and bring with you (or everytime you used certain ablities) is hardly what i would call perfect.
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Did the game crash? for what it was, it was perfect. The graphics limitations coming from the hardware are hardly something most people will care or notice but the most enthusiast.
 
ADiTAR said:
Did the game crash? for what it was, it was perfect. The graphics limitations coming from the hardware are hardly something most people will care or notice but the most enthusiast.
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Games not crashing hardly traduce into being perfect, majority of games don't crash, especially on console where it's harder to have something wrong on a system level.

For what it was...what does that even mean? Unstable 30 fps are unstable fps, no way to fucking spin that, and nobody forced nintendo to have a fucking underpowered tablet as main console.

Casuals probably don't notice 80% of bugs or shitty performances in games but it doesn't mean a product is perfect, what are we even discussing here (inside an enthusiast gamer forum of all places)?? :lollipop_grinning_sweat:
 
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Nintendo has made the best games ever since 1981 with their release of donkey Kong in the arcades. That's the reason " people will buy it anyway " there is no doubt a Nintendo game will be worth the money
 
GymWolf said:
Unstable 30 fps that gets progressively worse the more allies you unlock and bring with you (or everytime you used certain ablities) is hardly what i would call perfect.
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link would fall threw the screen on the carpet if other devs tryin to make totk ahaha
 
Sybrix said:
One of the reasons why PC gaming will always be GOAT.

So much choice where to buy games, i havent payed full price for a new game in years thanks to PC gaming.
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Me neither. Haven't paid full price in a long time. Exceptions are Ragnarok, Astro Bot and KCD2. I wait a couple of months.

Do you buy those games at launch on release at lower price than full price?
 
Nintendo fans will swallow this completely abusive pricing policy no matter what, and in a few months the same thing will surely happen with GTAVI.
 
Depends on the game. Mario kart, hell no (i still don't understand its massive popularity, to me its like fortnite). I wouldn't buy it unless it's cheap, which it never is.

Hell only reason it exists in our house is my wife wanted it, bought it for her and she only played it 1 time.

Now Zelda, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Punch out sure, as long as they are complete and not requiring expansion pass for the content that was syphoned off to be released 2 months after launch.

3d Mario, Metroid, star tropics, kid Icarus i would pay 70 for, but its pushing it.

Anything else Nintendo, ehh would depend on what it is.
 
Mibu no ookami said:
I think the Switch was perfectly priced that it made sense as a birthday/christmas/elementary school/middle school graduation present. The games were cheap enough that it made sense to buy these for birthday and Christmas.

The movie Train to Busan makes a joke that the dad buys his daughter a switch for her birthday, but bought her one for her birthday the year before and forgot.

If you had two or three kids, you could easily buy each one of them a switch.

If you were doing a company raffle, you could easily have a Switch as a prize, maybe even two.

I think a lot of that goes away here. If someone has to think twice about buying one on a whim, I think you lose a lot of sales as a result.
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This is definitely a factor. Buying a kid $300 switch or a $200 lite (even better) was an easy gift and proposition. Buying a kid a $500 console that could easily be dropped, isn't going to sell units.
You would be an idiotic parent or rich to buy your kid a $500 portable console that they can drop on concrete easily, or leave at little Timmy's house, and it doesn't come back.


I got my kids ds and psp's when they were young (i had them too), and one got a vita (borderlands 2 bundle was great back then), but those were never more than $250.

Factor in that with the expensive carts. Nintendo is going to have an issue. Only die hards will buy and it will dry up.
They need eat some of the cost like Sony and Microsoft did for generations.

They won't because they are stubborn and like both the other two, success delivers hubris and feelings of undefeatability. Thing is history has shown this to be a grave error. Look at how both Sony and MS rose and fell, some don't ever get back up (looking at you Sega). Some are only back due to their war chest of money from other industries (MS).
 
I hate that Shawn Layden is telling how it is. People will end up buying this shit and set the new standard for pricing despite a majority not liking it. There are people who don't follow any gaming circles, they just buy the things they want and leave at that until they can't afford it. Simple as that. We are the loud minority.
 
HerjansEagleFeeder said:
The future Nintendo sales threads are sure gonna be very interesting to read.
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no one is stupid enough to bet against it, right? Thing is going to sell a lot and the price hike for the games won't affect them one bit because they have their fanbase trained to pay whatever the hell Nintendo wants

Now, if the rest of the industry tries to copy them, we're screwed 🤦‍♂️
 
EN250 said:
no one is stupid enough to bet against it, right? Thing is going to sell a lot and the price hike for the games won't affect them one bit because they have their fanbase trained to pay whatever the hell Nintendo wants

Now, if the rest of the industry tries to copy them, we're screwed 🤦‍♂️
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I fully expect prices to go up across the entire industry, like many others here. I'm sure Nintendo will remain profitable, however it's gonna be interesting to see how many units they sell, what the profit margins really are, and how their revenue develops, especially time aligned with the predecessor to their console.
 
PlayStaytion said:
Nintendo is definitely the No. 1 go to for couch play with friends, kids and families. Unless that place hasn't been taken from other platforms, The switch will still sell. Imagine if halo infinite support couch play, that could literally bring kids into the system.
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This, Nintendo is the only serious contender in the market for kids coop games. Microsoft has Minecraft but looking through there storefront for other games is almost painful. At least for little kids. I've played the Paw Patrol games and Bluey with my kids when they came through GamePass but the difference in quality to anything Nintendo is huge. I think it's hard for new games to break into the kids market. Like The Plucky Squire looked really creative but I'm not sure how well it actually sold.
 
I'm probably in the minority but I would for different Reasons pay up to $120 Dollars for a Video Game developed by Nintendo:

1. Nintendo cares first and foremost about Fun and not political Agendas by creating Video Games.

2. Video Games by Nintendo have a really high quality Standard. They're not perfect, but they are far away from being unplayable like other Video Games released by other Publishers.

3. Nintendo treats his Employees with Respect. They don't need to Work Overtime, they get an appropriate Pay Check, and they've creative Freedom.

4. Nintendo always finds a way to be innovative with theire IP's and therefore Nintendo is bringing Fun in my House for more than 30 Years which also leads to great Memories.

I want to support a Company who cares about their Employees, who develops Fun and Quality gaming experiences, and a Company where I highly believe that they deserve my Money so that they are able to create even more Fun and Quality gaming experiences for me in the Future.

Thanks :)
 
Lunarorbit said:
Economy is in the shitter. Games are expensive. Console is $150 more.

Not sure what the confusion is
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Not apples with apples. Comparing the Switch 2 with the original model is not fair. The Switch 2 is $100 above the Switch OLED at launch. Which sounds like a pretty good deal to me. And that is not even taking inflation into account.
 
Nintendo can charge $100 mtx skins for Mario Kart and their fans will still defend it to the death. Wouldn't be surprised.
 
Esppiral said:
Nintendo never had the competition in the portable space they have today so... I would hold my breath before claiming anything...
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In three years, Steam Deck, Asus Rog Ally, Lenovo Go, and MSI Claw combined are estimated to have sold around 6 million units.
From 2022 to 2024 Nintendo Switch has sold more than 47 million units.
The level of sales of the PC handheld pack together galvanize a failure like PlayStation Vita.
And it's "fine" because those devices have other (low) ambitions.

Where is the competition?
 
Yes, if they want their diehard fanboys to buy their stuff, not for everyone else. This will can possibly restrict their audience the same way they did in the Iwata era.
 
I think people including myself will pay $80 for Mario kart world and Metroid prime 4... For but I don't think they would pay it for the majority of their games.. I'm not paying $80 for Pikmin
 
I think the Nintendo diehard fans aren't as numerous as most people think. Consoles that break 100 million units sold need the casual market and impulsive buys. I think Nintendo is betting on fewer sales but more profit per unit. Decisions like that aren't made on a whim.
 
Mibu no ookami said:
I think the Switch was perfectly priced that it made sense as a birthday/christmas/elementary school/middle school graduation present. The games were cheap enough that it made sense to buy these for birthday and Christmas.

The movie Train to Busan makes a joke that the dad buys his daughter a switch for her birthday, but bought her one for her birthday the year before and forgot.

If you had two or three kids, you could easily buy each one of them a switch.

If you were doing a company raffle, you could easily have a Switch as a prize, maybe even two.

I think a lot of that goes away here. If someone has to think twice about buying one on a whim, I think you lose a lot of sales as a result.
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This is one of the smartest takes I've seen on the pricing of the Switch vs. the Switch 2. I totally agree. I'm literally going to be buying one for my daughter around the time she's 6 this year, so that analogy hit home. But I'm also a gaming dad since the 80s with Atari.

There's no way she'll get another Switch 2 within the generation though.
 
IntentionalPun said:
I mean a percentage of people will certainly buy less games, or wait for a sale (and may lose interest), etc.

"People will still pay" is just a bit too simplified.

I am not saying it's going to be an unsuccessful strategy because they can sell a little less and make more profit, but it's still a calculated risk.
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The true diehard fans will pay. The people who are on hard times and such im not sure if they will at the same rates and when they do who knows if they will trade it in and sell it when they come on hard times or lose interest. I will not be buying a ton of games with those prices. If i was a parent i would just get my kids a ps5 since its cheaper. I could probably get 2 ps5 and the kids could share the same games and play gta 6 together more easily.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I guess we'll find out, huh? I'm sure it'll sell millions. But will you sell what the previous games sold?
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Not wanting to start a platform war, but:

PS4 cost 299 at launch and had alot of exclusives relatively early, and sold well.

PS5 cost 699 at launch, and was pioneering upping game prices to 70 bucks.

It is among the most sold systems, despite having no real exclusives in the first many years, and were more expensive compared to previous generation.

If Sony can pull that, then it is 100 percent certain that the majority of Nintendo players will follow Nintendo in their ways.
 
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The_Mike said:
Not wanting to start a platform war, but:

PS4 cost 299 at launch and had alot of exclusives relatively early, and sold well.

PS5 cost 699 at launch, and was pioneering upping game prices to 70 bucks.

It is among the most sold systems, despite having no real exclusives in the first many years, and were more expensive compared to previous generation.

If Sony can pull that, then it is 100 percent certain that the majority of Nintendo players will follow Nintendo in their ways.
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This is something that'll be interesting to watch, because many of Nintendo's players are younger. So can they or their parents afford it? I'm rooting for Nintendo here.
 
mckmas8808 said:
This is something that'll be interesting to watch, because many of Nintendo's players are younger. So can they or their parents afford it? I'm rooting for Nintendo here.
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Got any source that states Nintendo players are usually a younger audience compared to other platforms, or is it just stereotypical?

According to this, the majority of players are 20 to 30, which then makes a decline.

The list probably looks around the same for playstation 5, although I really couldn't find something to compare with, so unless my Google skills are bad, Sony doesn't really tell us demographic group by age.

But I would guess it's lower thanks to games like GTA and CoD, which is not available on the Switch.
 
The_Mike said:
Got any source that states Nintendo players are usually a younger audience compared to other platforms, or is it just stereotypical?

According to this, the majority of players are 20 to 30, which then makes a decline.

The list probably looks around the same for playstation 5, although I really couldn't find something to compare with, so unless my Google skills are bad, Sony doesn't really tell us demographic group by age.

But I would guess it's lower thanks to games like GTA and CoD, which is not available on the Switch.
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I wish I could find it, but this info has been released by Sony before. They were older than Nintendo players.
 
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