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Shinji Mikami's THE EVIL WITHIN |OT| Where's everyone going? Tango?
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Almost finished with the game.
I enjoy it quite a bit, but I'd have to say the biggest thing holding me back from downright being in love with it is that there are WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too many instant kills or unfair situations where you walk into a room and die without having a chance to even analyze the situation. Mikami and his team really went way too overboard with those. Resident Evil 4 had them (I didn't even like them there) but they were no where near there as bad there as they are in this game,
I feel like the game doesn't give a fair shot in many of the set pieces, and basically punishes you for not understanding exactly what to do the minute you're in that position. When I die on basically every "oh shit" encounter for reasons I feel that are very unfair, it really takes me out of the game and distracts from being immersed in the experience (And I'm not crappy at survival horror by any means, it's my favorite genre). Add to the fact that a lot of them are just exercises in trail and error and it's my biggest gripe with the game.
Outside that glaring issue, I really do like this game. The story, the atmosphere, the absolute insanity of the positions you're put into are all very compelling and it's very much it's own game instead of being a clone of Resident Evil or Silent Hill. I would have perfered if it had stuck closer to how it was in the beginning throughout the entire game and had a little less focus on action in some of the middle chapters, but overall I'd say I'm pretty satisfied with what Mikami has delivered.
I enjoy it quite a bit, but I'd have to say the biggest thing holding me back from downright being in love with it is that there are WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too many instant kills or unfair situations where you walk into a room and die without having a chance to even analyze the situation. Mikami and his team really went way too overboard with those. Resident Evil 4 had them (I didn't even like them there) but they were no where near there as bad there as they are in this game,
I feel like the game doesn't give a fair shot in many of the set pieces, and basically punishes you for not understanding exactly what to do the minute you're in that position. When I die on basically every "oh shit" encounter for reasons I feel that are very unfair, it really takes me out of the game and distracts from being immersed in the experience (And I'm not crappy at survival horror by any means, it's my favorite genre). Add to the fact that a lot of them are just exercises in trail and error and it's my biggest gripe with the game.
Outside that glaring issue, I really do like this game. The story, the atmosphere, the absolute insanity of the positions you're put into are all very compelling and it's very much it's own game instead of being a clone of Resident Evil or Silent Hill. I would have perfered if it had stuck closer to how it was in the beginning throughout the entire game and had a little less focus on action in some of the middle chapters, but overall I'd say I'm pretty satisfied with what Mikami has delivered.
Lucent
Member
I didn't find the
two ogre things that hard. I mean I died a few times but in the end I mostly used a few arrow types and a couple grenades. And the spider girl you didn't have to kill her. That was something you could escape. Was nice they gave you a choice. The end boss could've been ammo heavy but I guess I got lucky when I finally beat him. Really been doing my best to conserve ammo in any way I can think of, even if it takes a few deaths to figure out a strategy.
I guess even when I keep dying in the game I never felt like it was a slog. I enjoy the atmosphere, environments, enemies, and situations most of the time so I guess I'm so into it even dying doesn't get to me.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
halfway through the game and i go back and forth on it. lots of great things about the game but lots of annoying/shitty things holding it back. one of my big problems is with the collision/hit detection. i have had more than a few times where i hit a guy right in his head and it just goes through him to the wall. there are other times (specifically with the guys who light dynamite) where they are doing the "light dynamite" animation and have like invicible frames! i try to shoot them and nothing happens.
this has continued a few times where i attach an explosive bow shot to a zombie with 2 or 3 others near him but ONLY he is affected, the other guys left unscathed. this doesn't happen every time but its just annoying that it ever happens
the black bars suck. i guess i have gotten used to it but i just dont like them. the performance is really poor here. there's no reason this game shouldn't run at a consistent framerate. it doesn't even look that great! there are spots here and there where the graphics look pretty good but overall nothing spectacular so i dont understand why the performance is so uneven and shitty in spots.
i'm going to finish the game and if it flat out sucked i wouldn't bother but halfway through this is feeling like a 7/10 game
this has continued a few times where i attach an explosive bow shot to a zombie with 2 or 3 others near him but ONLY he is affected, the other guys left unscathed. this doesn't happen every time but its just annoying that it ever happens
the black bars suck. i guess i have gotten used to it but i just dont like them. the performance is really poor here. there's no reason this game shouldn't run at a consistent framerate. it doesn't even look that great! there are spots here and there where the graphics look pretty good but overall nothing spectacular so i dont understand why the performance is so uneven and shitty in spots.
i'm going to finish the game and if it flat out sucked i wouldn't bother but halfway through this is feeling like a 7/10 game
grandwizard
Member
Game changer.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
They make the game more authentic. We wouldn't be having half the discussions we have if it wasn't for the chainsaw man in RE4.
I guess the god hand insta-kills might be a bit much, but they still exist for a good reason.
I just assumed his traps were a worst possible situation when you ran out of ammo. I ignored them quite a bit
As long as I don't fuck up, I think I could get infinite gel.
Agreed. I never felt the traps were unfair. There was one that killed me that I never figured out how it was even activated. Aside from that, I enjoyed them a fair amount because they keep you on your toes.
Chapter 9 was just a low point in the game for me though. Fucking Ruvik.
Lucent
Member
They don't bother me because it makes the bosses something I want to avoid like I would IRL. Lol just my take on it.
TheBlueBomber
Member
Yep, not a fan of Ch. 11
Itchy//Tasty
Member
I find a lot of the normal enemies to be really quite alarming. I was doing the Ch.9 sort-of-a-boss encounter, and whenever it threw a Haunted at me they'd just be walking slowly towards me, mouths hanging open unnaturally wide, stuff jutting out of their heads. The way you shoot and it takes a chunk out of their skull but they barely react gives me the fucking willies.
Lucent
Member
Yep. And they actually make you think about what you're going to do. In RE4-6 you could just be like "I'm gonna pop them in the head/leg and go in for a melee and that's that!" But here you can sorta do that but with a match. And those are limited. You can strategically light one with others around you and get several, but yeah takes more skill and on the fly planning.
Honestly the best normal enemies I've seen yet though.
My chapter rankings:
Chapter 9
Chapter 10
Chapter 6
Chapter 5
Chapter 3
Chapter 7
Chapter 15
Chapter 14
Chapter 13
Chapter 4
Chapter 2
Chapter 8
Chapter 1
Chapter 11
Chapter 12
Screw 11 & 12. Couldn't stand them. The only part I enjoyed in 11 was
.
Chapter 9
Chapter 10
Chapter 6
Chapter 5
Chapter 3
Chapter 7
Chapter 15
Chapter 14
Chapter 13
Chapter 4
Chapter 2
Chapter 8
Chapter 1
Chapter 11
Chapter 12
Screw 11 & 12. Couldn't stand them. The only part I enjoyed in 11 was
the warehouse with the flammable gas
The Illiterati
Member
Concerning chapter 11's overrated-ness
I didn't find the ogres hard. I fired four explosive bolts and made them chase me and they died after a few more hits. Laura on the other hand would continuously kill me in the last area because I had next to zero health and I didn't know you could merely escape, since the door takes so long to open after you hit the switch which is guarded by the worst bomb placement in history. Then I would redo the whole multi level chase over and over to get back to there. The end boss actually ended up being easier than I thought as well, but I was pissed off by this point.
So I'm not complaining about the difficulty in the end, I'm more speaking about the feeling that this level doesn't contain anything that new or different to inspire all of the "best level evar" praise in my opinion.
So I'm not complaining about the difficulty in the end, I'm more speaking about the feeling that this level doesn't contain anything that new or different to inspire all of the "best level evar" praise in my opinion.
FIFY
i really enjoyed it, it just went on for way too long. Which is funny because chapter twelve is very short. Seems like they couldve cut 11 short at a certain point
the moment you ran into the female detective
grandwizard
Member
I have lured one to walk into one, but it just grabbed his foot and trapped him in place for a bit. It would have been useful in lining up a shot but I just ran up and used my axe on him. Perhaps in that state they can be stealth killed (even if aware of you)? I have to experiment more.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I was just about to ask if it was worth the buy on the PS4 ... thanks for saving me some dosh.
JumpJeff84
Member
Just started chapter 6 and I have no idea what to do. Plain old stuck, been running around the environment for 30 minutes.
Anyone?
Anyone?
TheBlueBomber
Member
Way to pick the one negative post in like 5 pages to read before deciding lol
Lucent
Member
I feel 10 was awesome simply because of how you go through so much and contains like 3 different kinds of situations thst keep you on your toes.
God, I can't believe I almost forgot about the terrible load times. Dying over and over again from one hit kills, then having to wait another minute just to load is absurd. I have no idea what Mikami and co were thinking in this area, having so many things that can insta kill you and then having to go through that loading period over and over.
That combo really drags the game down in parts.
SlasherJPC
Banned
So... you should just run to the gates outside. Or you stuck in the save room?
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
What's in front of you?
JumpJeff84
Member
Hospital. Right at the start
Can you really? Won't the balance still eventually result in you running out of harpoons?
Or does the delay between The Keeper respawning give you enough time to disable a lot of traps? It doesn't seem like much time to me.
It's more than enough time, you can get 2-3 before he comes back. I'm at 30k now, I died by accident at 25k before lol. Think I'll call it good at 35k.
The Xtortionist
Member
I read you can farm up to 70K before he stops respawning.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Veggy
Member
In the new room that has unlocked for you, there should be a table with a bunch of paperwork on it. Keep examining the pictures and it will take you to the next area
Holy shit, chapter 13.
What is the deal with the green razor disc things? The entire area is based on the premise the main character is too dumb to climb over a counter and is forced to run around everything. A survival horror game shouldn't make me laugh this hard this frequently.
SlasherJPC
Banned
What survival horror games you playing? They all have done questionable moments like that. Why can't I.blast a door down with my shotgun, etc. It's a game.
JumpJeff84
Member
thank you so much!
Relax. I'm genuinely amused by it. Obviously, most things in games require some suspension of belief but there are some points in this that are just hilarious.
I loved it.
The part where The Keeper rips off his own head to respawn behind you is fucking awesome
Yeah..the gameplay is very good...
I just had to listen to the damn LESLIE LESLIEE so many times that it got annoying lol
Best boss in the whole game
WheelHoss1
Member
Again, what do you do in Ch 4 when
when you're in the basement with the doctor and Lesley???
the phantom zombie keeps appearing and grabbing and disappearing
Just kill it.